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Some of the best new classical music today is being written for the cinema, (Original Post) hedgehog Feb 2012 OP
No surprise, really. elleng Feb 2012 #1
This has been true for some time. eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #2
Can you tell us some of the films he's worked on? hedgehog Feb 2012 #3
Bernard Herrmann Graybeard Feb 2012 #6
Real oldies -- Hitchcock's "On Dangerous Ground" ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #7
Correction: Graybeard Feb 2012 #9
OK, thanks. I was just remembering track titles from an old LP. eppur_se_muova Mar 2012 #10
King Kong is a concert with a movie attached. Graybeard Feb 2012 #4
I've seen more than one mediocre movie rescued by an excellent score! hedgehog Feb 2012 #5
aka "Movies for the Blind" ;) nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #8

elleng

(130,891 posts)
1. No surprise, really.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:03 PM
Feb 2012

'Old' classical music was funded by royals + other highly successfuls; today, those with ability tend to be in 'entertainment.'

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
2. This has been true for some time.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:08 PM
Feb 2012

Check out Bernard Hermann's work, if you can find it in re-issue.

Classical musicians who work for studio orchestras tend to be much higher paid than those in municipal orchestras. Of course this comes at the cost of virtual anonymity -- only a handful of their fellow musicians even know who they are.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
3. Can you tell us some of the films he's worked on?
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:24 PM
Feb 2012

My favorites include James Horner and Michael Giacchino. I'm waiting for the release of the John Carter track later this week!

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
6. Bernard Herrmann
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 06:14 PM
Feb 2012

He had a long time association with Alfred Hitchcock.

Psycho, Vertigo, North By Northwest some of the best.

He also did Taxi Driver, The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) and

Citizen Kane. Lots more.

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
7. Real oldies -- Hitchcock's "On Dangerous Ground" ...
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:19 PM
Feb 2012

the "Tower Scene" is scored for **eight** French horns ! Needless to say, that's a fave of mine. Film composers seem to feel freer to score for unusual instrumentation -- I guess because they aren't worried about how it will all be paid for. Besides Hitchcock, Hermann scored a lot of epics -- Jason and the Argonauts, Mysterious Island, The Three Worlds of Gulliver, Citizen Kane. Stop-motion special effects guru Ray Harryhausen and Hermann often worked on the same films, where a superhuman/mythic aura was needed.

"Salommbo" was the fictional opera in which Kane's wife performed -- Hermann scored it for a huge, Wagnerian-style orchestra, and got a lyric soprano (i.e. a genteel chamber music singer) to be steamrollered by this behemoth. The result was that the singer appeared not to be up to snuff, which is what the story line required, but no musician had to give a deliberately bad performance. The same score was later recorded for LP with Tiri Te Kanawa (!) making it more than a fair fight, up to the final sinus-clearing high D.

I have (somewhere) a recording of the music from Beneath The Twelve-Mile Reef that includes a (rather badly played) serpent. I was disappointed to watch the film (itself disappointing) and hear that part played as a rather mundane trombone glissando ! I later learned from Wikipedia that Hermann first used the serpent in White Witch Doctor, portions of which I also have on recording -- but I don't remember any serpent. Hermann did a surprising amount of exploration in electronic sound effects and instrumentation as well, including the shower scene in Psycho and sound effects for The Birds.

According to the Wiki, several CDs have been released of Hermann's compositions, and some of his concerts from his radio career (which I never realized before was so extensive and influential). They weren't available when I first looked, so now I have to track them down. Anticipaaaaaaytion ....

See IMDB for a complete list.

Some intriguing bits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Herrmann#In_popular_culture

The phrase "Bernard Herrmann lives" is graffitied under a train overpass at the intersection of Bethlehem Pike, Skippack Pk (PA Route 73), and Camp Hill Rd. near Flourtown, Pennsylvania. It has been there for at least 20 years.[14]


ETA: Lots of BH now available at Amazon !

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
9. Correction:
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:46 PM
Feb 2012

"On Dangerous Ground" is not a Hitchcock film. In fact I had to research the title because I had never heard of it. It was directed by Nicholas Ray. I will be sure to rent it soon, as I want to hear a Herrmann score that has eluded me over the years.



eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
10. OK, thanks. I was just remembering track titles from an old LP.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 03:31 PM
Mar 2012

Hermann scored a number of films in England after his break with Hitchcock. One of them was "Hangover Square", featuring a Concerto Macabre for piano and orchestra. I couldn't even remember the name of the film until I found the bio at IMDB.

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
4. King Kong is a concert with a movie attached.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:46 PM
Feb 2012

The marvelously symphonic score by Max Steiner for the original King Kong (1933) is an example. The Love Theme, "Sea At Night" is as hauntingly beautiful as Bernard Herrmann's score for "Vertigo".

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