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Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:26 PM

Anyone here listen to music that was not made before

1980?

Classic rock is lame and if you are still listening to that crap you need to get out more. So much incredible music out there and it seems most of the people here are trapped in the 60's to late 70's music.

So many incredible bands out there now. So many.

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Reply Anyone here listen to music that was not made before (Original post)
ghostsinthemachine Feb 2015 OP
Initech Feb 2015 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2015 #2
elleng Feb 2015 #8
pipi_k Feb 2015 #29
Throd Feb 2015 #3
MH1 Feb 2015 #62
cwydro Feb 2015 #4
lame54 Feb 2015 #30
cwydro Feb 2015 #37
lame54 Feb 2015 #46
Iggo Feb 2015 #5
NV Whino Feb 2015 #6
orleans Feb 2015 #7
pipi_k Feb 2015 #27
ghostsinthemachine Feb 2015 #39
ghostsinthemachine Feb 2015 #40
orleans Feb 2015 #47
cemaphonic Feb 2015 #59
pipi_k Feb 2015 #52
FrodosPet Feb 2015 #55
ghostsinthemachine Feb 2015 #60
LiberalElite Feb 2015 #9
murielm99 Feb 2015 #10
cemaphonic Feb 2015 #20
A HERETIC I AM Feb 2015 #11
bluesbassman Feb 2015 #12
blue neen Feb 2015 #17
pipi_k Feb 2015 #26
Brigid Feb 2015 #54
bluesbassman Feb 2015 #68
KMOD Feb 2015 #13
Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #14
struggle4progress Feb 2015 #15
blue neen Feb 2015 #16
cemaphonic Feb 2015 #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2015 #33
cemaphonic Feb 2015 #34
cemaphonic Feb 2015 #19
CBGLuthier Feb 2015 #21
BlueJazz Feb 2015 #22
hobbit709 Feb 2015 #23
cyberswede Feb 2015 #25
adamwalkner Feb 2015 #24
pipi_k Feb 2015 #28
pintobean Feb 2015 #57
Avalux Feb 2015 #31
LanternWaste Feb 2015 #32
Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #35
OriginalGeek Feb 2015 #36
KamaAina Feb 2015 #38
ghostsinthemachine Feb 2015 #41
WinkyDink Feb 2015 #43
WinkyDink Feb 2015 #42
olddots Feb 2015 #44
Special Prosciuto Feb 2015 #45
OriginalGeek Feb 2015 #48
WinkyDink Feb 2015 #53
olddots Feb 2015 #49
Major Nikon Feb 2015 #50
Hoyt Feb 2015 #51
Brigid Feb 2015 #56
GoCubsGo Feb 2015 #58
Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #61
MH1 Feb 2015 #63
Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #64
marym625 Feb 2015 #65
whistler162 Feb 2015 #66
Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #67

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

1. I listen to pretty much anything and everything from classic rock to current rock.

Current rock bands I love:

- Nine Inch Nails
- Arctic Monkeys
- Cage The Elephant
- Wolfmother
- Steven Wilson
- The Black Keys
- TV On The Radio
- Symphony X
- Death From Above 1979
- Depeche Mode
- Foo Fighters
- Dropkick Murphys
- Elbow
- Fitz & The Tantrums
- Gaslight Anthem
- Interpol
- Jane's Addiction
- Mastodon
- Opeth
- Phish
- Primus
- Queens Of The Stone Age
- Soundgarden
- Tenacious D

I could go on and on.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:47 PM

2. I listen to music that was made before 1800.

It's magnificent.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:41 PM

8. YAAAY, Ocelot!!!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:58 AM

29. Did you ever hear this one before?

It was the only song on the Top 10 list that year...






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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:49 PM

3. Said the person named after a The Police album.

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Response to Throd (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:43 PM

62. LOL ... it was released in 1981.

(yes I had to look it up)

However they did release some before 1980.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Police_discography

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:02 PM

4. I love music of all kinds.

I'd be more than happy to be pointed in the direction of any music that rivals that of the Stones, Pink Floyd, Tom Waits, Springsteen, the Beatles, Dylan, Joplin, Goo Goo Dolls, the Supremes, Joan Armatrading, Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Neil Young, Mommas and the Poppas, Bonnie Raitt, Marvin Gaye, Rod Stewart, the Temptations, Queen, Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Billy Joel, Tracy Armstrong...ah I could go on.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 11:40 AM

30. I could point you there but you wouldn't go...

by the way I'm a fan of most of the bands/artists you listed

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Response to lame54 (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:30 PM

37. Sure I would!

Point away!

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Response to cwydro (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:30 AM

46. Here are some songs by my favorite musician...

Stephen Malkmus hit it big in the 90's with his band Pavement
He had a side project band - The Silver Jews
He is currently in The Jicks
The last 2 songs are Bob Dylan covers by The Million Dollar Bashers when he sat in with them for the film I'm Not There

Stephen Malkmus with Pavement (2 songs)





With The Jicks (2 songs)





With The Silver Jews (2 songs)





2 Bob Dylan songs by The Million Dollar Bashers



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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:31 PM

5. Nice line in the straw you've drawn there.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:22 PM

6. Get off my lawn.

Old codgers get to listen to music written before 1980. You know, when music was music.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:40 PM

7. "So many incredible bands out there now. So many."

link?

or videos.

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Response to orleans (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:38 AM

27. That's what I say too

Links.

Videos.


I'm willing to listen and give them a chance

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Response to orleans (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:20 PM

39. Okay

Last edited Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Do you like:

Paul Simon, Del McCourey and the talking Heads? here ya go:

Funky weird rock?


electronic rock:


chick singers:




GUITAR GODS? Lukas Nelson, Matt Schofield, Joe Bonamassa. Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi.

Reggae: Groundation, Midnite. Matisayhu (who is amazing live)

Music that only Bob Marley came close to making? Spearhead and Nahko Medicine for the people, and Ben Harper.

Country? try Sturgill Simpson or Waylon's kid Shooter Jennings or the Rusty Buckets.

Of course Widespread panic is great, Wilco is amazing and Jim James of My Morning Jacket is about the most talented guy out there.


Did ya like THE BAND? Then there's my favorite almost ever, Leftover Salmon the band that inspired almost all of em.

So much incredible music out there.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:35 PM

40. A few more

Lukas nelson (Willies kid)

Matt Schofield (blues artist from England)

A Bob Dylan kind of guy who plays guitar like a madman and plays with a ton of bands (Skinny Singers, Trigger Hippie, Phil Lesh (grateful dead) and Friends and the Black Crowes)? (Jackie Greene) who may be even more talented than Jim James.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:54 AM

47. thank you for listing/posting ALL of these. i will definitely check them out n/t

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:02 PM

59. So if you think classic rock is lame

How come almost all of your examples are totally grounded in 70s rock? Or is the point of your OP that listening *exclusively* to 60s-70s rock is too limiting?

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:42 AM

52. Listened to all of them...

and while they weren't shitty and intolerable, I still want to know what makes them better than pre-80s music.


Especially the women singers. Are there any out there who don't have voices like cartoon characters?

I like women who can belt them out, like Aretha Franklin, although not in the screeching cat style of Janis Joplin.


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Response to pipi_k (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:26 PM

55. Janice Joplin put more passion into each note...

...than many singers put into their entire careers.

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:26 PM

60. Okay try this then....

And really you don't like Carolyn Wonderland?

Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings

Grace Potter and the Nocturnals:

the Shook Twins:

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:25 AM

9. I stopped paying attention

some time around Madonna's Material Girl. So what?

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:47 AM

10. I listen to a lot of blues,

especially Delta blues. That was made before 1980. (LOL).

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:28 AM

20. Etta Baker being a boss:

(Not Delta, but awesome and underappreciated)

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:36 AM

12. Just as much of "classic rock" tunes were built on the foundation of Blues...

Much of modern rock is built on what pioneering bands like The Rolling Stones and The Beatles, Black Sabbath and MC5, The Allman Brothers and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young did in those "lame" 60's and 70's.

If one is going to point to genres like "Techno", "Dubstep", or "Rap" as the cutting edge of music and styles that are going to endure for generations, I'd point to the "Disco" craze as an example of a genre that, while catchy and fun, died out for the most part while the so-called "Classic Rock" band's music is still enjoyed and emulated by millions of music enthusiasts 30 to 50 years later.

As for me, while I enjoy some of the current music being produced as much as I dislike some of the music produced during your so-called "lame" years, the fact is that the 60's and 70's were watershed years in the evolution of modern music and will still be listened to by people who appreciate well written and well performed music long after you and I shuffle off this mortal coil.

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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:41 AM

17. Well stated, Mr. bluesbassman.

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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:36 AM

26. Thumbs up

on this!

As for me, while I enjoy some of the current music being produced as much as I dislike some of the music produced during your so-called "lame" years, the fact is that the 60's and 70's were watershed years in the evolution of modern music and will still be listened to by people who appreciate well written and well performed music long after you and I shuffle off this mortal coil.



Because I can't even imagine the likes of some of today's artists being remembered 40 or 50 years from now, never mind their "work" being called Classic.


Most of it is discordant and annoying trash.

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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:15 PM

54. You forgot CCR!

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Response to Brigid (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:13 AM

68. My bad!! Just got to see John Fogarty tonight!

Went to the San Jose Sharks vs the LA Kings outdoor hockey game at Levi's Stadium and John performed between periods! He was great, did Born on the Bayou, Proud Mary, and Fortunate Son.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:43 AM

13. I'm going to pretend you didn't say

 

classic rock is lame and just simply ask that you post whatever music you like. No one is stopping you.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:56 AM

14. Terrace Martin: "Somethin' Else"

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:28 AM

15. Not a Polly Possum fan?

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:40 AM

16. Nope. Only English Troubadour Music.

Particularly the "Classical" Period. Too bad the Black Death had to come along and spoil it all for everybody.


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Response to blue neen (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:05 AM

18. Troubadours were French though

Provencal at that. And existed ~500 years before the Classical period.

Why yes, I care way too much about medieval music history.

Some bitchin' Troubadour music for everyone:

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Response to cemaphonic (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:42 PM

33. Kalenda Maya always gives me an earworm.

Thanks.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:54 PM

34. It's a catchy tune alright

There's a reason lots of people are still singing this 800-year-old song in a dead language.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:24 AM

19. So post something already!

I get bored of the constant parade of classic rock clips through here too, even though I am fond of it. So I start "new music" threads from time to time, and post new music in other threads instead of insulting people. Besides, good music from any era is worth listening to. Lots of great stuff before the 60s-70s too.

Drive-By Truckers:


Ditty Bops:


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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:29 AM

21. I was born in 61 and most of the music I listen to was created in the last two decades.

But I do not listen to much rock either. IDM, modern jazz, instrumental music, electronic music in general, anything but the boring cliche of clanging guitars and teenage angst.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:03 AM

22. To me, it's not the song so much but who is playing/singing it. Jazz/Classical is my...

 

...first love but I enjoy a wide range of stuff if the player/singer is accomplished

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:44 AM

23. i'll agree with the incredible part.

It's incredible how autotune can make a bad musician sound good.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:36 AM

25. ...as long as they fit the suit.



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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:48 AM

24. Anyone here listen to music that was not made before

 

So if you really want to know my thinking about anyone here Listen to Music that was not made before, then i will tell you that yes of course. I am new here and just joining. I am also a big lover of Listen Music and now i Listen to Romantic Music. Without it i also like Sad as well as Pop Music also.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:52 AM

28. So I don't know

how old you are, but I find as I get older, I tend to listen more and more to music from my youth because it takes me out of myself (and my aching body) to a more innocent time.

I can listen to various songs and, except for my body still being in the present, be transported back in time. Sights, smells, feelings, everything.

Every night I hop on my iPad and play a few games, look at news sites, and listen to music.

Last night one of the songs I listened to, "Spill The Wine" (Eric Burdon) transported me straight to the summer of 1970 and my mental trip was awesome.

The music of today can't do that. I didn't grow up with it, and it has no deeper meaning for me.

If it's well done, OK. I can like it maybe.

But it's never going to have the emotional impact the music from my own era has.

And that's why some of us "old fogies" still listen to music from before the 80s or 90s.

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:47 PM

57. Totally agree.

 

And we listened to music together most of the time. It was part of the fabric of community. That's why there are so many memories tied to it. Today, everyone is wearing headphones and music is an individual experience.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:05 PM

31. Not sure what you're into, but this is my favorite band right now.

Last edited Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Their latest album is a gem and I can't stop listening to it, ALL of it. Fantastic stuff.



http://www.amazon.com/The-Heart-Dark-Star-Explicit/dp/B00N4XQJ5A



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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:22 PM

35. Agree totally. I'm pushing 50 and these are the bands I'm currently listening to a lot:

 

Arcade Fire, Bloc Party, Arctic Monkeys, the Strokes, Editors, Interpol, Franz Ferdinand, Metric, Portugal the Man, Cage the Elephant, the National, Two Door Cinema Club, Doves, Alt-J, Cheatahs, White Lies, These Reigning Days, Vaccines, Avett Brothers, Johnny Marr (okay, he started in the 80s but I'm loving his newer albums), many others.

I do listen to "old stuff" too, but mainly post-1980 alternative that didn't get played to death on the radio.

edited to say: I do appreciate the greats from the '60s and '70s, and I don't think any decade was "lame" -- they all had great music and horrid music -- but I heard so much of the now "classic" stuff growing up I just don't have the urge to listen to much of it anymore.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:28 PM

36. I listen to everything from Mozart

to goregrind.

With special attention to death metal but always have funk and soul and bluegrass and new age and new wave even some pop/disco/stupid music on tap.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:00 PM

38. Suggestions?

 

1980s: Springsteen, U2
1990s: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc.

That's about where I got off the train.

edit: I almost forgot. Welcome to DU!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:39 PM

41. there does seem to be a cut off for most people

Most people my age are all classic rockers with about 1980 as the end for them. Younger people about the same time frame...

I think right now, this very moment we are in the golden age of music. never been easier to aquire, you can stream a live show by anyone any night of the week and youtube any show anytime you want.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:16 PM

43. "we are in the golden age of music.." Oh, my STARS! Roll over, Beethoven; tell Tchaikovsky the news!

 

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:13 PM

42. Yes, but a way with words, you have not. But I sit content, knowing that one day, one day,........

 

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:38 PM

44. I hate drum machines

 

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:37 PM

45. I just turned 60 and haven't cared for any cinema after the 1960's

 

That era ended the classics. Likewise I shut off any music after the 80s. It is all talentless junk noise pollution today.

Name a band with any talent today. Can you?.......

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Response to Special Prosciuto (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:04 AM

48. Portal

Wormed
Hail of Bullets
Gojira
Last Days of Humanity
Grand Supreme Blood Court
Wolves In The Throne Room
Sulphur Aeon
Pokey LaFarge
Those Poor Bastards
Goddamn Gallows
.357 String Band
Gruesome (Have only released a single - their debut full length will come out in April)

I could go on for pages...tons of talent up there but there's a pretty good chance it's not music you are interested in. Not everything can be your thing.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:01 PM

53. I'm sure there are fabulous operatic voices going unheard and great artistry going unseen. The way

 

of the corporate world doesn't offer them much of an audience.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:26 AM

49. i guess we won't be picking out furnature together .....

 

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 02:01 AM

50. I once owned a 300 baud modem that sounds better than some of the shit made today

I kinda regret throwing it away.

Just sayin'

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 02:40 AM

51. Mandolin Orange

 


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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:40 PM

56. For you:

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 04:00 PM

58. To each his/her own.

I think what you listen to is lame crap, too. Nothing but imitations of the music you're bashing. Not that I give a shit about what you think about my taste in music...

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:36 PM

61. How about 1514???

 

The Miserere by Gregorio Allegri, transcribed by a young Mozart during Holy Week when Mozart and his dad Leopold went to St. Peter's in Rome. It was considered to be so sensual that it was forbidden to be transcribed until Mozart transcribed it at age 14.

From Wikipedia:
It was the last of twelve falsobordone Miserere settings composed and chanted at the service since 1514 and is the most popular: at some point, it became forbidden to transcribe the music and it was allowed to be performed only at those particular services, thus adding to the mystery surrounding it. Writing it down or performing it elsewhere was punishable by excommunication.[1] The setting that escaped from the Vatican is actually a conflation of verses set by Gregorio Allegri around 1638 and Tommaso Bai (also spelled "Baj"; 16501718) in 1714.

Three authorized copies of the work were distributed prior to 1770: to the Holy Roman Emperor, Leopold I; to the King of Portugal; and to Padre (Giovanni Battista) Martini.[1] However, none of them succeeded in capturing the beauty of the Miserere as performed annually in the Sistine Chapel.[citation needed]

According to the popular story (backed up by family letters), the fourteen-year-old Mozart was visiting Rome, when he first heard the piece during the Wednesday service. Later that day, he wrote it down entirely from memory, returning to the Chapel that Friday to make minor corrections. Some time during his travels, he met the British historian Charles Burney, who obtained the piece from him and took it to London, where it was published in 1771. Once the piece was published, the ban was lifted; Mozart was summoned to Rome by Pope Clement XIV, only instead of excommunicating the boy, the Pope showered praises on him for his feat of musical genius. The work was also transcribed by Felix Mendelssohn in 1831 and Franz Liszt, and various other 18th and 19th century sources survive. Since the lifting of the ban, Allegri's Miserere has become one of the most popular a cappella choral works now performed.[citation needed]






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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:48 PM

63. Help me out here, with some examples?



Actually I do listen to some more recent music, but since I stopped listening to pop radio decades ago, if I hear something I think is great, usually I don't find out who it is or what it's called.

Most of what gets played over and over again on the radio is, just like it was when I was in my 20's, fairly awful and channel-change-motivating.

I do like Michael Franti (with or without Spearhead), and I also like Playing For Change - a LOT! - but PFC mostly plays that stuff you refer to as 'lame'.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:31 PM

64. Grunge, dubstep, hiphop??? NO WAY.

 


If you can't give me a lead sheet (as in "fake books" with a melody and chords, it's not music, IMNSHMO.

Destroying vinyl records by scratching is not music to me. Don't touch my vinyls unless you're going to digitize them and burn them to CD.

I listen to stuff from the 1500s (Tallis Scholars, Anonymous Four) through the late 80s (Robert Palmer) and stuff in the 90s and Oughties from people who are now in their sixties (David Bowie, Tom Petty new CD "Hypnotic Eye", Annie Lennox "Nostalgia" new CD).

I decided rock was dead when grunge came in. I thought Nirvana was horrible and Kurt Cobain quite overrated.

The last rock band I thought was extremely competent was The Police who broke up in 1983 shortly after the Synchronicity Tour. Their last two albums, Ghost in the Machine and Synchronicity, are excellent. There's enough rhythmic complexity to make it interesting. And Sting has done some good stuff as a solo artist, though he tends to run out of ideas and get repetitive at the end of a song. Andy Summers (their guitarist) is a musical genius who has gone into jazz and has major classical chops.

My all time favorite rock bands are The Beatles, The Who, The Kinks, Queen and The Police.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:58 PM

65. One of my favorite bands is Red Hot Chili Peppers

And favorite solo, just recently is, keny arkana

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:33 PM

66. Must be rough being totally tone deaf

and unable to appreciate actual music! American Pie was right!

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:15 AM

67. I didn't like American Pie when it was NEW!!!

 

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