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DFW

(54,476 posts)
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 05:27 AM Nov 2016

I don't mean to whine, but if I'm a little off for the near future, please be patient

After a 15 year absence, cancer has returned to plague my beautiful wife.

As I write this, she is in surgery, where a team of cancer specialists is removing all sorts of parts, some of which she can do without, some whose absence she will have to get used to missing. This is necessary to prevent a spread, as it is a rare, aggressive form. The oncologist said it usually strikes women past menopause and slender women. My wife is both (5'10", 130 pounds). I was not encouraged to read that Gwen Ifill just died of the same form of cancer.

She has managed to keep her good mood and smile for the 42 years I have known her. Here is a photo from just 4 months ago:
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If we're lucky, we'll have a lot more pics like that. If not, count on me being a wreck for a good long while.

I'll know more this afternoon. I'm not the nail-biting type, but any perceived outer calm is not an accurate reflection of the truth..

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I don't mean to whine, but if I'm a little off for the near future, please be patient (Original Post) DFW Nov 2016 OP
Hey...I am here. I hear you... dixiegrrrrl Nov 2016 #1
Thanks for the offer DFW Nov 2016 #6
Sending good vibes and I hope that you have some good news. TexasTowelie Nov 2016 #2
Thanks, TX DFW Nov 2016 #8
Sending my best to you and your wife. democrank Nov 2016 #3
Doing my best, anyway DFW Nov 2016 #9
Damn. redwitch Nov 2016 #4
I know it hasn't been "typical" DFW Nov 2016 #10
Thinking of you both. Solly Mack Nov 2016 #5
Thanks! DFW Nov 2016 #11
I'm heading into my third year of remission and I do understand Solly Mack Nov 2016 #17
They say if you make it to five years, you're home free DFW Nov 2016 #18
I'm keeping you both in my thoughts. Arkansas Granny Nov 2016 #7
Thanks for that! DFW Nov 2016 #12
Oh my dear.. annabanana Nov 2016 #13
If I find out anything that is a clear result, I'll post DFW Nov 2016 #14
So sorry to hear this. cpamomfromtexas Nov 2016 #15
It's not the first time DFW Nov 2016 #16
Check your inbox please nt steve2470 Nov 2016 #19
Done, thanks! DFW Nov 2016 #26
so sorry handmade34 Nov 2016 #20
thoughts for you and your wife from me and mine from London Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #21
Much appreciated! DFW Nov 2016 #35
Sending prayers and hugs. gademocrat7 Nov 2016 #22
Can't hurt, thanks! n/t DFW Nov 2016 #27
i'm so sorry to hear this. barbtries Nov 2016 #23
That makes three of us, thanks! n/t DFW Nov 2016 #28
Wishing Mrs DFW the best of luck winning her battle against cancer. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #24
This is her second time around DFW Nov 2016 #29
Holding good thoughts for you and your wife mnhtnbb Nov 2016 #25
We were joking around in the hospital last night DFW Nov 2016 #32
Best wishes to you and your wife. Hope everything goes well for her. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #30
Thanks for that. We'll know soon n/t DFW Nov 2016 #33
Never Surrender Xipe Totec Nov 2016 #31
We won't give up DFW Nov 2016 #34
(((((((DFW and wife))))))) japple Nov 2016 #36
Thanks! DFW Nov 2016 #43
Love and healing vibes to your wife and you. babylonsister Nov 2016 #37
Every bit is appreciated! DFW Nov 2016 #44
Sending vibes to your wife and you!!! MissHoneychurch Nov 2016 #38
Danke! DFW Nov 2016 #82
You are both in my thoughts, DFW. callous taoboy Nov 2016 #39
So am I! DFW Nov 2016 #45
Man... hoping for the best of possible outcomes, my friend! Cooley Hurd Nov 2016 #40
Sending love and prayers to you both. femmocrat Nov 2016 #41
The most amazing I have ever met DFW Nov 2016 #46
Sorry to hear this... Phentex Nov 2016 #42
I will, thanks! DFW Nov 2016 #47
I hope you both can quickly put this behind you. lpbk2713 Nov 2016 #48
Wishing you both hermetic Nov 2016 #49
Best wishes to you and especially your wife. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #50
I should have more time to post than I normally do, actually DFW Nov 2016 #64
All the best to you both.... panader0 Nov 2016 #51
I am so sorry. LiberalLoner Nov 2016 #52
I will light a candle for both of you. Don't forget to take care of yourself so you can take care OregonBlue Nov 2016 #53
I send my good wishes PennyK Nov 2016 #54
She had breast cancer 15 years ago DFW Nov 2016 #77
Ah, my dear DFW..........for you both, my enduring love and caring! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #55
I don't know what to say. progressoid Nov 2016 #56
Prayers and good wishes mainstreetonce Nov 2016 #57
Your wife is a Worried senior Nov 2016 #58
Like others in this thread, Lionel Mandrake Nov 2016 #59
Good thoughts and hope DFW Nov 2016 #80
Peace be to you and your wife. Bountiful good wishes sent your way. I hope for the best. nt Fla Dem Nov 2016 #60
oh damn! Kali Nov 2016 #61
. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #62
Thanks to all, and here is my first post-op report: DFW Nov 2016 #63
Keeping my fingers crossed for good news. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #65
Hang in there. Thank you for the update. Solly Mack Nov 2016 #66
So do we DFW Nov 2016 #68
My dear DFW! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #67
You and Lionel are the only ones on DU who have actually met her DFW Nov 2016 #84
We felt so lucky to meet her and you both! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #86
We were fortunte to get together DFW Nov 2016 #87
So true! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #89
First, we have to get her out of this &)(/(%&%! hospital DFW Nov 2016 #90
I hope you don't mind if I pray for your lovely wife. Pathwalker Nov 2016 #75
Go right ahead! DFW Nov 2016 #83
Thank you for the update. redwitch Nov 2016 #85
No ICU blew me away, too DFW Nov 2016 #88
:grouphugS: elleng Nov 2016 #69
Thanks, Ellen DFW Nov 2016 #70
Sending my very best thoughts and prayers to you and your wife, DFW ailsagirl Nov 2016 #71
Your wife is beautiful LeftInTX Nov 2016 #72
It can never hurt DFW Nov 2016 #81
Best hope and wishes for a good outcome rurallib Nov 2016 #73
Hang in there hibbing Nov 2016 #74
I'm trying, thanks DFW Nov 2016 #78
Hoping for the best for your wife, and for you, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #76
She's bearing the heaviest burden by far DFW Nov 2016 #79
Best wishes to all of the DFW family. blue neen Nov 2016 #91
Thanks for that DFW Nov 2016 #92
That sucks DFW. denbot Nov 2016 #93
Thanks, it's appreciated DFW Nov 2016 #94

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. Hey...I am here. I hear you...
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 05:45 AM
Nov 2016

You and I briefly chatted before DU went down.

So the good news is she did get the operation quickly.
And that she has good doctors, I should think.

the not too good news is that there is nothing anyone can say right now that will keep you from climbing the walls, and the immediate uncertainty is torture.
I am so sorry you have to bear that.
talking can help, sometimes.

Feel free to pm me if it will help.
I am wide awake at 3:45 Central time.... have bad nights occasionally, so am up.

Sending crossed fingers and prayer for you both.


DFW

(54,476 posts)
6. Thanks for the offer
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:18 AM
Nov 2016

She did indeed get a quick operation scheduled, which, considering Germany's two tier class system of medicine, was very fortunate. She is "second class," which means for most Germans, "don't call us, we'll call you." Luckily, her doctors recognized the aggressive form of cancer she had, said she couldn't afford to wait, and got her a slot.

I used to go crazy when during the primaries, so many posters were on here telling everyone about how Germany had a single payer system, when nothing of the sort is true. She had a thyroid tumor (benign) 4 years ago, and retired early. I have been paying the equivalent of about $500 a month for her health insurance until she hits 65, when the German version of Medicare kicks in.

Fortunately, we have a tight group of friends here. We all live within a few minutes' walk from one another, and I have people to talk to, even eat with if I feel like it. Where I am mostly on the road, she is always here, always ready to help out, and will reap the payback when she gets out of the hospital. Our younger daughter, who now has a job with a schedule like mine, is currently in Cuba, but will be back here in a few days. She will work from here for a week, which will free me up somewhat.

I have everything crossed but my eyes.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
9. Doing my best, anyway
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:20 AM
Nov 2016

And we do make every minute count. If it weren't for the fact that our daughters are now 33 and 31, I would have sworn that the 42 years went by in 42 minutes.

redwitch

(14,952 posts)
4. Damn.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:05 AM
Nov 2016

You two have such an amazing life. I am praying that her doctors can create a great outcome so you can continue with it. I am so sorry that you are dealing with this.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
10. I know it hasn't been "typical"
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:24 AM
Nov 2016

If any life can be said to be typical. But we are in no hurry to have things end. After 42 years together, what would I do?

So, we'll deal with it. The alternative is not to be contemplated.

Solly Mack

(90,795 posts)
17. I'm heading into my third year of remission and I do understand
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 07:09 AM
Nov 2016

all too well what y'all are going through, and I am so sorry that it is happening again.

I want you both to have many more years of sharing photographs and stories of your beautiful family.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
18. They say if you make it to five years, you're home free
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 07:12 AM
Nov 2016

Well, not always it seems.

I echo your sentiment!

Much appreciated

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
13. Oh my dear..
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:35 AM
Nov 2016

Hoping for the very best news. I hope you have someone to keep you company today. In person.

We of course, are back and here whenever you want to post updates.

Much Love
Ann

DFW

(54,476 posts)
14. If I find out anything that is a clear result, I'll post
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:43 AM
Nov 2016

She'll be in the ICU overnight, but I can visit there this afternoon., which is still morning your time.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
16. It's not the first time
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 07:07 AM
Nov 2016

We're hoping it's the last.

All the women in her family on her mom's side have had cancer, some twice, and all lived past 90. We're hoping she is no exception.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
29. This is her second time around
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 08:09 AM
Nov 2016

Last time was in 2001. Two operations, chemo, radiation, a month in a cancer rehab spa (they have things like that here in Germany, and insurance covers it!).

Last time, it was an 8 month battle, but she beat it. We're hoping for a shorter ordeal but a similar outcome.

mnhtnbb

(31,411 posts)
25. Holding good thoughts for you and your wife
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 07:54 AM
Nov 2016

and that the surgeons will get all of it.

I think being family is almost harder than being the one who is ill. There's just not much you can do.
When you're sick you can focus your mind on getting well and let people take care of you.

So, be sure to take care of yourself as your wife recuperates from the surgery. I'm a big believer
in the value of laughter and that it does contribute to healing. Whatever you can do to increase
the humor quotient in your daily lives will probably at least make you feel better in the short run and maybe even
help in the long run.

And hugs are beneficial, too. Touch is good. Reaching out to send you hugs.



DFW

(54,476 posts)
32. We were joking around in the hospital last night
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 08:14 AM
Nov 2016

We both know what she's up against. Luckily, we have very close friends right here within minutes pf the house. As in one to three minutes walk. I have a table to sit at and food and drink if I find I'm in no shape to make my own. Plus, one of my daughters, who is currently in Cuba, arrives back here Sunday morning and will stay five days that she can't afford to take.

I'll know more this afternoon. Cross fingers, toes, eyes, and anything else that superstition and human anatomy permits.

Xipe Totec

(43,892 posts)
31. Never Surrender
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 08:13 AM
Nov 2016

This is a poem I once got from my mother. Yes, my mother. Bravest woman I ever met.

After her second bout with breast cancer.

PS: She is still alive, after burying two husbands, two sons, and one daughter.

Do not surrender even when defeated,
and do not be a slave even in bondage,
trembling with fear advance bravely,
and attack with fury, though badly wounded.

Be as stubborn as a rusting nail,
that refuses to yield though old and ruined,
and do not envy the peacock's plumage,
that drops in fear at the first noise.

Be as a god that never cries,
or as a devil that never prays,
or as the oak whose mighty canopy,
needs of water but does not beg it.

Even when it rolls to the dust,
let your head scowl and bite,
and scream for vengeance.

- Pedro Palacios Almafuerte
Argentinian poet 1854-1917

DFW

(54,476 posts)
34. We won't give up
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 08:16 AM
Nov 2016

Not that the amputation at the neck at the end of the poem is something we hope to face......

DFW

(54,476 posts)
45. So am I!
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:35 AM
Nov 2016

For someone as beautiful as she is, she has never ever figured it out, never realized it.
And she is all the more beautiful for that.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
40. Man... hoping for the best of possible outcomes, my friend!
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 09:48 AM
Nov 2016

Sending the best vibes I can muster your way!

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
41. Sending love and prayers to you both.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:17 AM
Nov 2016

I know from your writings here that she is an amazing woman. My very best wishes for her recovery.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
46. The most amazing I have ever met
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:36 AM
Nov 2016

If anyone can overcome this, she can. She is out of the OR, so I am off to see her in a few minutes.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
47. I will, thanks!
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:37 AM
Nov 2016

I'm off to the hospital, as I have just been informed that she is out of surgery.

lpbk2713

(42,772 posts)
48. I hope you both can quickly put this behind you.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016



And that you both enjoy many more life experiences after this is forgotten about.


DFW

(54,476 posts)
64. I should have more time to post than I normally do, actually
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 05:09 PM
Nov 2016

I am taking this week and probably most of next off from work to be there for her. My German-based daughter will stay with us when she gets in from Cuba on Sunday (direct flights from Havana to Düsseldorf!), and that will allow me to run a few errands. But I'll be here in case she needs me for something, or just wants a warm hand to hold. Work can wait, and RHIP.

OregonBlue

(7,755 posts)
53. I will light a candle for both of you. Don't forget to take care of yourself so you can take care
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:08 AM
Nov 2016

of her.

PennyK

(2,302 posts)
54. I send my good wishes
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:15 AM
Nov 2016

I'm through with most of my treatments for breast cancer and I've been able to stay in good spirits for most of it. Having a great partner has made it so much easier! And your wife is so lucky to have you by her side.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
77. She had breast cancer 15 years ago
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:19 AM
Nov 2016

The treatments took the better part of a year. But she did beat it. This is round two, and the operation was much more serious.

I'm the lucky one to have her by my side. I'm also lucky enough to work for an outfit big enough to have people to step in for me and yet small enough to have the top guys tell me to take whatever time off I need to take care of her.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,761 posts)
55. Ah, my dear DFW..........for you both, my enduring love and caring!
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:29 AM
Nov 2016

I hope beyond hope for excellent news.

Wish I could help, beyond these keystrokes.

for you both! ♥



Kali

(55,027 posts)
61. oh damn!
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 04:02 PM
Nov 2016

hoping all goes well and she follows the family tradition of beating it and living into her 90's!

DFW

(54,476 posts)
63. Thanks to all, and here is my first post-op report:
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 05:04 PM
Nov 2016

There were 7 polyps in her colon. They, along with everything they removed, "looked" non-malignant, but then so did the sample that turned out to be malignant that warranted this whole mess in the first place. They also looked at several key points that are apparently indicative of trouble elsewhere, and they were unaffected.

Everything was sent to the lab for biopsy. If they're quick, we find out Friday. If not, then Monday.

She was very tired. It was a heavy surgery, and took its toll. She was pale and weak, but basically in as good spirits as could be expected. One of her doctors (not the head surgeon) said she took it like a trooper, and was well enough not to need time in intensive care, but rather, after waking up, was brought right back to her room. They said that after such heavy surgery, that doesn't happen often, especially not in someone 64 years old. I spent a little over an hour with her, but she needed rest, and I left back for Ratingen around 7:15. The hospital is in Düsseldorf-Kaiserswerth.

I'll look in on her tomorrow, of course. She is not out of the woods until we hear that all biopsies were negative, and that is by no means a given. If there is no further malignancy, there is a decent chance she will escape chemo this time, which is the one thing she does NOT want to go through again. Because of all the polyps, she will require a colonoscopy once a year for the foreseeable future--unpleasant, but the least of our worries if all else is well. Again, we don't know that, but under the circumstances, a little optimism is permitted. Not time for celebration yet, but guarded optimism.

For those who are newer here and don't know much about her, here is a photo taken in my erstwhile hometown of Barcelona when she was 46. It best reflects her attitude and personality, which as California Peggy and Lionel Mandrake will confirm, is a beacon of positive thinking and kindness toward all:

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I won't know any more until tomorrow.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,761 posts)
67. My dear DFW!
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 05:35 PM
Nov 2016

Guarded optimism will just have to do, for now.

I'm glad she did well enough to not need ICU monitoring.

The photo is great and truly reflects her positive kind self! Lionel joins me in wishing her the best possible outcome!

for you both...

Till tomorrow...

DFW

(54,476 posts)
84. You and Lionel are the only ones on DU who have actually met her
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:42 AM
Nov 2016

So you know how special she truly is.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
87. We were fortunte to get together
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:22 PM
Nov 2016

For once, my/our crazy schedule led us to your corner of the planet, and THAT was a chance we were NOT going to pass up.

She is indeed a treasure, and one I plan to hang onto as long as fate is willing to permit.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
90. First, we have to get her out of this &)(/(%&%! hospital
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:52 PM
Nov 2016

THEN we'll start in again with making travel plans!

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
75. I hope you don't mind if I pray for your lovely wife.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:53 PM
Nov 2016

Wishing her a full recovery and many long, happy years for you both. Hugs from across the pond for you both.

redwitch

(14,952 posts)
85. Thank you for the update.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:15 AM
Nov 2016

Amazing that she didn't have to be in ICU, she is one tough cookie! Sending my prayer for her healing, may the wind carry it to her across the ocean. Hang in there my friend! Waiting for results is so stressful.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
88. No ICU blew me away, too
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:25 PM
Nov 2016

At first, I didn't know if it meant the surgeon was happy with how things went, or if he considered it a hopeless case, but, I quickly found out it was the former.

Now it's hurry up and wait. We HATE that part.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
70. Thanks, Ellen
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:11 PM
Nov 2016

We are just looking forward, as if this were another glitch, like the last bout of cancer she had.

If we're wrong, there will be plenty of time to yell in rage.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
78. I'm trying, thanks
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:25 AM
Nov 2016

And thanks for the kind words. Your sentiments are definitely NOT universally shared!

DFW

(54,476 posts)
79. She's bearing the heaviest burden by far
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:27 AM
Nov 2016

But it would wreck me, too, if I lost her, so that's just not an outcome we are listing among the possibilities right now.

blue neen

(12,335 posts)
91. Best wishes to all of the DFW family.
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 01:24 AM
Nov 2016

I hope your wife feels better very soon and that you get the news you most want to hear---that she is healed.

It's tough. Our adult son is having a horrible health problem right now. So frightening and stressful.

I always enjoy reading your "voice of reason" views here. Logic and reason can sometimes be in slow supply.

It's so strange how we can be calm in the face of major crisis, isn't it?

DFW

(54,476 posts)
92. Thanks for that
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 07:50 AM
Nov 2016

Calm in the face of crisis isn't always a sign of fortitude (at least on my part). It's sometimes just the only option left.

My best wishes for your son. I know health care in the States can be very lopsided, and sometimes very scary. Our elder daughter had a thyroid tumor, and she lives some 4000 miles away from us. My wife flew over to be with her during her operation to remove it. The hospital wanted to toss her out the day of the operation, and everyone, including her surgeon went ballistic. I think she would have collapsed and died if they had done that and she was on her own. Even then, they only kept her overnight. My wife had a similar operation here in Germany, and they kept her in the hospital for 6 days to make sure all was well. Health care seems to be a very yin-yang thing in Germany and the States. In the States, the doctors seem to care a lot more than they do here, but due to how the whole financing structure, the system doesn't care at all. Here in Germany, it's the opposite. The system, while not perfect (and not everyone is covered), is set up to take maximum care of patients, but things take longer (sometimes much longer) because the doctors don't care.

DFW

(54,476 posts)
94. Thanks, it's appreciated
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:39 PM
Nov 2016

I was with her again today, and she was much stronger, could take a few steps by herself.

The worst part is that they keep us waiting for the biopsy results, and since there were none today, not we hear nothing until Monday at the earliest. There about 20 friends that want to come by and visit and about 50 more that want to call. I am not the only one that knows what a special person she is, it seems.

But her inner strength is keeping her looking better from one day to the next. If the biopsies are clean, it'll be a big moral boost, just as the opposite will be an equally horrible setback.

So, it's hurry up and wait, as horrible as that is.

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