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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsNo more goose or duck down comforters in California!
Because of the crazy foie gras ban - NO, it's not cruel to the ducks - in California the sale or importation of duck or goose down, magret (duck breast), duck confit, duck or goose fat will be illegal in the state of California as of July 1.
Thank you Arnold and the crazies who sponsored this law.
Added on edit - the other thing that it will be illegal to sell will be cassoulet, CASSOULET!
Of for fucks sake! - This country has indeed gone crazy.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)(We're still fighting for a national foie gras ban.)
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)but I'm not a fan of pate's or reconstituted meat in general. I loved owning a country lot of 2 acres and having wild ducks, geese, herons, hawks, quail, turkeys, and the neighbour's chickens and peacocks in my yard. (especially the peacocks), and went out of my way to teach my dogs not to hunt any of them, and in fact assist me in capturing birds and setting them on their rightful way. thankfully my neighbour was too dim witted to ever figure out how to make froi gras. But...feather and down bedding I'd take anyday over VOC emitting shit.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)But if you don't like offal in general that could account for not liking it.
Learning to do gavage takes a while - you can't frighten the ducks and you have to pasture them. Takes a lot of patience.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It's quite good pan seared.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)And a national foie gras ban? Really?
So when do you want the sale of ALL meat banned?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)No meat ban. I'll settle for just banning the abusive practices that are necessary to the veal and foie gras industries.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)They don't have nerve endings in their esophagus, they wait patiently for their daily dose of corn.
If you haven't been to a farm that raises ducks or geese for foie gras you don't know what you're talking about. I've visited farms in France where foie gras is produced and seen how they do it.
And some veal production now does not involve crating.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)(I don't actually hunt, but you get my point.)
petronius
(26,602 posts)one or more of the banned items. It would be your civic duty to apprehend those wanton criminals...
elleng
(130,905 posts)Had it for my birthday, @ http://www.breadandchocolate.net/
(Not sure it contained duck, tho.)
Not the country gone crazy, only some States!!!
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Otherwise it's just baked beans without the molasses.
elleng
(130,905 posts)mais toutes les recipes aux etats unis don't contain duck or goose! My friend liked the cassoulet and wanted to make it at home; we looked for recipes, and made it with chicken instead.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Best sources for cassoulet recipes are Paula Wolfert's Cooking of Southwest France, Elizabeth David's, French Provincial Cooking, Anthony Bourdain - Les Halles Cookbook, Ariane Daugin - D'Artagnan Cookbook, Williams-Sonoma Savoring France, Saveur Cooks French.
You read all the recipes, then combine. I've done cassoulet parties for as many as 40 people - a friend said that only I would invite 40 people to my house, in the winter, and serve them beans. Looking back I'm not sure how we got 40 people for a sit down dinner in a 20x25 foot room.
elleng
(130,905 posts)Quite an endeavor, you undertook!
ALSO had Cassoulet in Carcassonne, should have said that first, but it was about 20 years ago so I forgot!
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)when you pry them from my cold dead hands!
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Just don't try and take them to California after the first of July.
Swede
(33,239 posts)ohiosmith
(24,262 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)YOU DON'T! You get down off a duck.
When I was 5 or 6 my grandpa must have told me that joke 600 times and I laughed every time. He kept telling me the joke because I kept laughing and he thought that was funny so he would laugh. But the thing is, I didn't get the joke - I was just picturing my grandpa climbing down off a duck.
haele
(12,654 posts)for the three W's - warmth, wicking and waterproof! They also keep their loft better. If you're a camper or skier, or live where it's cold (I'm looking at you, Lake Tahoe), you're pretty much SOL, for warmth in the winter, unless you want to go with that other PETA evil - Fur!.
I can see we were lucky and got a pound and a half of local schmaltz - duck fat - at the Farmer's Market a month ago from a local rancher that free-ranges and organically feeds his animals and treats them all as cruelty free as possible.
If they're so concerned about cruelty to ducks for foi gras (and as there are no factory farms for foi gras - it's too "elite", so the small US farms that raise duck and geese for that tend to be as humane as any meat-raising farm can be), why don't they go after the Tyson chicken farmers or Smithfield ham pig farmers, too...
Oh, yeah. The "elite" factor - and the easy target factor. While Foi Gras is expensive, it has such a small market, the big corporations with their armies of lawyers don't factory farm ducks and geese for foi gras. No profit in it for them. It's a niche market for special events, foodies and the elite.
It's also an easy target because Americans don't eat a even a twentieth of duck or goose compared to chicken so it won't be noticeable to most people, and you can still "make a statement" instead of addressing the real evil and cruelty of factory farming. Or face the factory lawyers who are eager to sue for defamation or interfering with their business.
It's painless for activists - just make it harder for small, usually organic or free range farms to sell their produce on the market, because it's more important to make the statement safely than care about the real health of their food...
Yes, I'm miffed on a personal note, this means my favorite special occasion "expensive" treat, going to a fancy locovour restaurant for the chef's special rosemary-citrus Duck confit salad and duck fat-fried Pomme Fritts (with Parmesan dusting) on our anniversary is now going to be a thing of the past. My favorite meal is going to be illegal after July, and we didn't have the money this year to dine out on our anniversary.
But I guess saving up our hard-earned cash for months just to have a special taste treat on our anniversary night out is just way too elitist and I should be ashamed that we even let ourselves indulge in such evil frivolity.
Not to mention that abomination that must be goose-down comforter the kids have that's held up to their rough handling of it, and keeps them cool in the summer and warm in the winter...heaven forfend that we should ever want to replace it with an equivalent quality product.
What's next - well-made, quality coats, purses and satchels, belts, and shoes? Because they're made of animal products rather than petroleum by-products?
I'm tired of this pussy footing around lawyers and harming small family economies to make a moral statement. Go after the true cruelty - the cruelty of the factory farms.
Most of the small farms and family farms know they have to treat their animals well, because frankly, as an omnivore with an excellent sense of smell and taste, there is a significant difference in quality when it comes to a well-treated animal that has been humanely slaughtered, then there is of an animal that has spent it's entire life stressed and tortured.
Haele
ohiosmith
(24,262 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)PETA knee jerk crowd.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)As I read it, the law clearly applies only to force-fed birds.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/03-04/bill/sen/sb_1501-1550/sb_1520_bill_20040929_chaptered.pdf
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)The following is from their newsletter
THE CALIFORNIA FOIE GRAS BAN: HOW IT WILL AFFECT YOU AND US
A little bit of background information: California SB 1520 was signed into law in 2004 and will take effect on July 1st, 2012. Besides shutting down the only foie gras producer in CA, it will also " prohibit a product from being sold in the state if it is the result of force feeding a bird for the purpose of enlarging the birds liver beyond normal size." It's not just a ban on foie gras: sales of confit, duck fat, magrets, cassoulet, even down feathers will be prohibited. Legal efforts are underway to challenge this law but I doubt it will happen before the July deadline (it took two years for the Chicago ordinance to be repealed). Since Joie de Vivre is based in California, I wanted to let you know how this law will affect us and our customers. I feel there are several "grey areas" in regards to its application but:
It is clear that JDV will not be allowed to ship banned products to our customers in CA
It is unclear whether we will be allowed to ship said products outside of CA
It is unclear whether our purveyors outside of CA will be allowed to ship said products to us in CA
So, in a nutshell: I don't know whether we'll be able to restock after July 1st and, even if we do, I dont know whether we'll be able to legally sell the merchandise.
And the Artisan Farmers Alliance has rather a lot to say about this.
They also give some facts about foie gras production here
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)unless he's implying that all French ducks and geese are force-fed.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Or at the very least it makes the process the French use a subject of debate. The French do use a funnel like device that is used to feed the ducks. This causes the ducks to consume more food than they would if you just laid the food out on a tray. However, the process is not painful or abusive to the ducks and in fact, the ducks willingly line up for it (which hardly makes it involuntary).
The truly ironic part is the French ducks are treated far better than the vast majority of poultry in the US. As soon as they are big enough to escape predators, they are allowed to roam free in large fields, and spend only a small portion of their lives in cages that are not at all restrictive to their movements.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)The National Audubon Society states that " .birds have a remarkable ability to expand the mouth and stretch the oesophagus to swallow large prey "
"The digestive tract is relatively short in birds that eat fruit, meat, and insects, and longer in those that eat seeds, other plant matter and fish. The basic oesophagus is a simple, narrow tube, which often widens into a sack-like crop, where food can be stored temporarily. The oesophagus can stretch considerably to accomodate large prey, such as when an egret swallows a large fish whole."
The Sibley Guide to Bird Life & Behaviour. 2001, C. Elphick, J. Dunning Jr, D. Sibley eds.; Christopher Helm London, Chanticleer Press Ltd London, 1st ed.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Or the fact that ducks' liver naturally swell prior to migration.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If the process was painful, they wouldn't submit to it unless they were extremely hungry and near starvation. Instead they line up for it as much as 3 times per day.
You can see exactly what the process entails here...
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)PETA is a good source for me. I am surprised that so many people on this forum have so little compassion for abused animals.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)PETA's warped agenda is to ban all meat production, period. It has nothing to do with animal abuse. It's simply hyperbole and myth which they have managed to convince those who don't seek out objective viewpoints.
Chicago repealed their ban. Why? Because 1, it made them a laughing stock and 2, they finally listened to experts who told them the process isn't abusive.
mucifer
(23,542 posts)It's warm and nice and good for a vegetarian like me.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)had a rooster fall over dead. I paid the vet for a necropsy thinking that my flock might be getting ill. The vet couldn't find a cause of death, but did ask whether we'd been force feeding the rooster because his liver was so large. I had the feeling that the vet thought we missed our chance for a fantastic chicken dinner!
The Northerner
(5,040 posts)including those foods that some of us may like or dislike?