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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:43 PM Jun 2017

A friend was handed a death sentence from his oncologist today...3 weeks to 3 months.

He had posted earlier that the cancer he's been fighting had spread to his spine. I knew what was coming next but wasn't prepared to actually hear it.

He was later informed that he had 3 weeks to 3 months left.

We were friends in California...haven't seen him since leaving there in 2012 (actually a decade or so before that).

He's a former Marine, so he had Veterans benefits and medical coverage, but today was the "We've done all we can" talk. He's saying his goodbyes.

Cancer still sucks.

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A friend was handed a death sentence from his oncologist today...3 weeks to 3 months. (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2017 OP
Death comes to us all. But cancer is a particularly hard way WhiteTara Jun 2017 #1
He can no longer speak, but... Miles Archer Jun 2017 #5
Oh, wow. Hold yourself tight. WhiteTara Jun 2017 #6
He, my brother in law, and I, were... Miles Archer Jun 2017 #8
Ty for sharing your story. BootinUp Jun 2017 #13
Sorry for your friend, and yourself ghostsinthemachine Jun 2017 #2
if I may ask, how did you beat it DonCoquixote Jun 2017 #11
An esophoctomy. ghostsinthemachine Jun 2017 #31
Congrats Ghost mchill Jun 2017 #21
Us survivors feel like we dodged a bullet, but There' that vague dread. alfredo Jun 2017 #27
It sucks, Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #3
A friend of mine diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer.... elfin Jun 2017 #4
Very hard on the individual GP6971 Jun 2017 #7
My father had prostate cancer that went to his spine before there was such a thing as hospice and appleannie1943 Jun 2017 #9
His most recent post, about an hour ago, was about his seeking hospice care. Miles Archer Jun 2017 #10
Hello Miles Archer... I was diagnosed with stage 4b metastatic squamous cell carcinoma The_REAL_Ecumenist Jun 2017 #52
How can you "not know" that hospice is involved? cwydro Jun 2017 #54
The hospital NEVER told us. I had a home health nurse that visitted me 4 times a week over the The_REAL_Ecumenist Jul 2017 #55
... shenmue Jun 2017 #12
so sorry to hear this steve2470 Jun 2017 #14
I am so sorry to hear this, my dear Miles Archer... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2017 #15
It's hard....lost my SIL at 32 to Liver Cancer HipChick Jun 2017 #16
(((hugs)) Miles Archer, for you and your dear friend. sueh Jun 2017 #17
... Lyricalinklines Jun 2017 #18
I lost my father, my wife, and four uncles to cancer. Binkie The Clown Jun 2017 #19
A frnd's older sis was given 3-6mths, after 5wks revised down to days. Died that week. DRoseDARs Jun 2017 #20
What kind of cancer? mchill Jun 2017 #22
Bone marrow cancer. It had metastasized too. nt DRoseDARs Jun 2017 #23
It is the mets that will kill you with certain types of cancers mchill Jun 2017 #40
Hugs... snacker Jun 2017 #24
Horrible. Just horrible. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #25
So sorry to hear this Miles... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #26
... orangecrush Jun 2017 #28
Prayers to your friend and you benld74 Jun 2017 #29
I'm so sorry for your friend, emmadoggy Jun 2017 #30
It's getting the news that's the worst Miles Archer Jun 2017 #35
Thank you. emmadoggy Jun 2017 #47
I'm so sorry. I despise cancer. herding cats Jun 2017 #32
Sorry to hear. GallopingGhost Jun 2017 #33
Horrible. I hope his family and friends ease his passing with love and compassion. kairos12 Jun 2017 #34
He replied to everyone this morning: Miles Archer Jun 2017 #36
Sorry to hear this--cancer sucks. panader0 Jun 2017 #37
I am so sorry to learn this. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #38
You're 100% right on all of this Miles Archer Jun 2017 #39
so very sorry to hear this. please be gentle with yourself, and know that your du family is here. niyad Jun 2017 #41
Cancer sucks big time. DFW Jun 2017 #42
I have a friend with inoperable brain cancer Beaverhausen Jun 2017 #43
I am so sorry. Loryn Jun 2017 #44
I've been there with my family left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #45
My wife died from pancreatic cancer March 1 central scrutinizer Jun 2017 #46
Very sorry to hear this. Stuart G Jun 2017 #48
it sucks ASS Kali Jun 2017 #49
So sorry to hear about your friend..... Upthevibe Jun 2017 #50
I am a cancer survivor... chillfactor Jun 2017 #51
I'm so sorry Miles.......cancer is a bitch. a kennedy Jun 2017 #53
Update to my O.P., my friend passed away today Miles Archer Jul 2017 #56
Miles I am so sorry for your loss. irisblue Jul 2017 #57
Thank you. Miles Archer Jul 2017 #58

WhiteTara

(29,716 posts)
1. Death comes to us all. But cancer is a particularly hard way
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jun 2017

to die. I'm sorry for your friend. I hope you call him and just be there for him.

WhiteTara

(29,716 posts)
6. Oh, wow. Hold yourself tight.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:01 PM
Jun 2017

Death will be a relief for him but the grief for us that remain is very real.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
8. He, my brother in law, and I, were...
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:06 PM
Jun 2017

...the 3 Stooges with Cheech and Chong overtones, about 30 years ago. We all went our separate ways, many miles between. He recently reconnected with my brother in law on Facebook and this all escalated rapidly.

So yes, I'm there for him, to the best of my ability.

I hate saying goodbye. Always have. Always will.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
2. Sorry for your friend, and yourself
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jun 2017

I was stage 3 esophogeal, and beat it. Diagnosed Dec 12th 2016. My ex wife, was stage 4 diagnosed in August and she passed Christmas day last year.

Cancer sucks. I remember the period from finding tumor, PET scan to the oncology meeting where you find out stages and treatment. Very harrowing time. Relieved like you would not believe to find I was stage 3.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
11. if I may ask, how did you beat it
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jun 2017

there is a surgery, but my relative doctor says she is not healthy for it yet (after 4 weeks of chemo and rad)

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
31. An esophoctomy.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 12:40 AM
Jun 2017

My stomach was moved and became my esophagus. Chemo and radiation shrunk the tumor, 6 weeks later removal of esophagus on may 11. I'm almost done.

I've had no effects really. Eating I think I've got a handle on. I've got my hair. I never felt bad, threw up, none of that. I'm lucky, but not everyone is able to have the organ or place removed. And at stage 4, generally the cancer is in more than one organ or lymph nodes. My cancer was in my esophagus only, with my lymph nodes showing possible only. That never showed again and doesn't now.

Stage 4 patients don't have operations because it has spread. No place to operate. So they stay on chemo for as long as they live. Sometimes the chemo, radiation works and shrinks tumors and then an operation is done, but that is rare. The patient is worn down by chemo and radiation that the operation would kill them.

mchill

(1,018 posts)
21. Congrats Ghost
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jun 2017

I'm running in months past 5 years, but they never consider BC cured, so every ache and pain, ugh, but your comment about your harrowing time SO TRUE! I remember being in shock, being led from MRI to PetScan to other scans. Couldn't even follow simple directions. It settles down with a treatment plan. I have the stupid BRCA2 gene, and based on Aunts that survived their BC, other cancers are likely in my future. And damn it, those Republicans named their new healthcare plan BCRA...stupid.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
27. Us survivors feel like we dodged a bullet, but There' that vague dread.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:05 PM
Jun 2017

It is sad when someone doesn't make it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. It sucks,
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:56 PM
Jun 2017

know to well what that story is. Family friend entered Hospice last Saturday. We will say good bye this Saturday,hopping he lives that long. Similar symptoms,the Doc's to him last week Tuesday that he had about three weeks and should get his affairs in order.

Buried Two Sister in laws in 15' both passed from Breast and Lung Cancer six months apart.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
4. A friend of mine diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer....
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:57 PM
Jun 2017

twenty years ago. An anomaly to be sure, but....

You never really know, while this sounds truly devastating.

GP6971

(31,161 posts)
7. Very hard on the individual
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:03 PM
Jun 2017

It's the final chapter of life and I went through it with my wife and a good friend. Both were very determined and made it through the process and both actually took solace in their goodbyes. My wife had the same time line diagnosis but she fought it and actually was very functional for five and half months before she died 6 weeks later.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
9. My father had prostate cancer that went to his spine before there was such a thing as hospice and
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jun 2017

codeine was the strongest thing a doctor could legally prescribe for pain. I hope your friend chooses hospice. When my mom had cancer 17 years later, she opted for hospice. They provided morphine liquid and near the end I gave it to her ever 4 to 6 hours and the last couple days patted inside her mouth. She left us peacefully in her sleep. I wish that for your friend and strength for you and family members.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
10. His most recent post, about an hour ago, was about his seeking hospice care.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:26 PM
Jun 2017

He told my sister earlier that he's ready, he's accepting it. The thing that is tearing him up is saying his goodbyes. I think that once he crosses that hurdle and gets into a peaceful facility, he'll find peace...as much as one can under these circumstances.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(721 posts)
52. Hello Miles Archer... I was diagnosed with stage 4b metastatic squamous cell carcinoma
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 03:04 AM
Jun 2017

complicated with internal gangrene in February 2011. I wasn't expected to survive the night, while undergoing surgery & then, was not expected to leave hospital, (UC DAVIS). I found out about 8 months later that I was supposed to be dead by March 2011. I haven't had any sort of "treatment, (chemo, radiation etc). since September 30 2011. I did research and began using EFFECTIVE remedies & at the moment, I have been using cannabis oil. ITDOES WORK. What state is your friend in? (BTW, I found out in late winter, early spring that I was in home hospice AND never knew it until I found the paperwork while doing som early spring cleaning). IF I can help in ANYWAY, please let me know...If you want my number &/or email, please let me know and I will send it for you to get the info from me to help your friend.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
54. How can you "not know" that hospice is involved?
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jun 2017

Hospice helped me in my mother's final days. It is an extremely thorough process involving many people, equipment etc.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(721 posts)
55. The hospital NEVER told us. I had a home health nurse that visitted me 4 times a week over the
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 02:55 AM
Jul 2017

course of 6 weeks because I had a PICC line with 24 hours of HIGH dose antibiotics. Evidently, I was in hospice but so help me God, neither I nor my husband knew it. He signed paperwork for the visiting nurse program BUT until I found the paperwork late winter/early spring, I had NO EARTHLY idea that I was in hospice. I ended up treating in Goodyear AZ, (I HATE AZ), @ CTCA because the treatment plan that the Cancer Center @ UCD had formulated would have killed me because I was debilitated. They wanted to start me on a HEAVY duty Chemo, which I would have taken 5 days a week @7 am, followed by heavy radiation @1pm.... I was so shocked but I giggled when I realised what I was looking at when I pulled out the hospice paperwork pamphlet. i don't know why we, (Bae &me), were in the dark but so help me by all that exists, I had NO idea I was enrolled into Hospice.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,625 posts)
15. I am so sorry to hear this, my dear Miles Archer...
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:07 PM
Jun 2017

Yes, death comes for all of us, but when it's this sudden thing, it's so much harder to comprehend, never mind accept.

I hope you can stay in touch via Facebook in the meantime. I think that will help both of you.

We have a Bereavement Group here, and reading there might help you. Here's the link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1234

May he pass gently and without pain or trouble.

Please take care of yourself too.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
16. It's hard....lost my SIL at 32 to Liver Cancer
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jun 2017

left a 9yr daughter....my brother raised her alone...she just turned 18...It's hard to come to terms with that person not being there...even 9yrs later..

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
19. I lost my father, my wife, and four uncles to cancer.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jun 2017

It breaks my heart every time I hear of another cancer diagnosis.

mchill

(1,018 posts)
40. It is the mets that will kill you with certain types of cancers
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 12:44 PM
Jun 2017

They don't call them "vital" organs for no reason. Sorry about your friend.

emmadoggy

(2,142 posts)
30. I'm so sorry for your friend,
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 12:21 AM
Jun 2017

and for you. Cancer sucks!! I can't imagine how hard it would be to get that news.

My mom has been undergoing treatment for a very rare, high grade sarcoma since the end of March. Just had the surgery on Friday. The past week has been enormously stressful and exhausting, and we still have a LONG way to go. Worry is the status quo these days...

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
35. It's getting the news that's the worst
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 03:04 AM
Jun 2017

I sat there in the doctor's office decades ago with my dad when he "got the news."

It's been in freeze-frame in my memory ever since. He had multiple myeloma. It doesn't manifest itself like some of the more treatable cancers. It's a bullet. When you get THAT diagnosis, your option is basically to start saying your goodbyes.

Prayers and my thoughts to you and your mom.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
32. I'm so sorry. I despise cancer.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 01:36 AM
Jun 2017

My heart hurts for you, and for all who knows and cares about him.

I been through losing a friend to cancer. Having been up close and watched the process intimately three times now, by the point your friend is at, being released from the burden of the disease is almost welcome for those enduring the process.

Cancer stole my grandfather as a child in the 1980's, my father (step dad who raised me) in 2013, and my best friend of 30+ years this past January. They all died too young.

They all had different forms of cancer, but I still hate the very mention of the word. Fuck you cancer!

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
33. Sorry to hear.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 02:00 AM
Jun 2017

Lost my mom to cancer.

It is a very cruel and sucky disease I hope they eradicate sometime in the near future.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
36. He replied to everyone this morning:
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 09:29 AM
Jun 2017

"Thank you all so much, you all had such warm wishes, I can not thank you all enough, I will miss you all through eternity"

So he has the support system. He is definitely surrounded by friends, including physically by his side and long distance via the internet. As I mentioned above, he lost his voice, so two-way phone conversations are not an option. As long as he is physically and mentally able to keep a presence on Facebook, we'll all be there for him.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
38. I am so sorry to learn this.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 11:51 AM
Jun 2017

It's hard to watch those we care about suffer. I know that he will benefit from your friendship at this time in his life. Be there for him when you can, and let him tell you what he needs.

Yes, cancer still sucks...

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
39. You're 100% right on all of this
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jun 2017

When I reached out to him last night I said I was sorry and lacked the words, and that I was there for him.

In my experience, more often than not, that's all people want and need...to know that you are there for them.

There's a time for speeches and words of encouragement. This was not that time, and if that does become what he needs, he will make it known.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
41. so very sorry to hear this. please be gentle with yourself, and know that your du family is here.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jun 2017

praying for a gentle passing for your friend.

FUCK CANCER.

DFW

(54,387 posts)
42. Cancer sucks big time.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:05 PM
Jun 2017

My wife has already had it twice, and her brother died of it at age 51. My parents both had it, and so did all of their siblings. One cousin already died of it at age 41.

So, with me, it's not a question of "if," but "when." I'm in no rush. I could get the news tomorrow or in twenty years.

I wish your friend could get a miraculous reprieve, but he appears to know that it's not in the cards. I wish him a brave and gentle passing.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
43. I have a friend with inoperable brain cancer
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:46 PM
Jun 2017

The most aggressive kind. She has fought for 3 years and is beating the odds, but all too soon she will lose her fight.

I'm so sorry about your friend.

Cancer most certainly sucks.

Loryn

(944 posts)
44. I am so sorry.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:43 PM
Jun 2017

I lost my sister in March. Nothing prepares you, and the world will never be the same.


Fuck cancer.




left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
45. I've been there with my family
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:05 PM
Jun 2017

One brother died of a brain tumor, and one from lung cancer.
I now have two brothers with prostate cancer.

I'm sorry about your friend.
I'm 71 and have lost close friends over the years to a variety of reasons.
I have their memories.

central scrutinizer

(11,649 posts)
46. My wife died from pancreatic cancer March 1
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jun 2017

I am so thankful for the ACA. Her death couldn't be averted but bankruptcy and homelessness were. Hospice was the best alternative for us. She died at home with her dignity and autonomy intact and her family and friends surrounding her.

If pain is an issue for your friend, have him check out methadone. It made a huge difference in my wife's lucidity and quality of life until she needed morphine at the end. Oxycodone and fentanyl were useless and made her unable to do anything.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
51. I am a cancer survivor...
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 02:49 AM
Jun 2017

but my thoughts and prayers are with your friend and his family....God bless them all!

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
56. Update to my O.P., my friend passed away today
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 04:30 PM
Jul 2017

I want to thank DU for all of the kind words and shared experiences.

Jimmy wouldn't have liked hospice care. He had prepared himself for it and was ready to play whatever cards he was dealt, but as Bernie Leadon once wrote, "My man's got it made, he's far beyond the pain...and we who must remain go on living just the same."

R.I.P., bro.

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