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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:22 AM

How women started to smoke

What Bernays had created was the idea that if a woman smoked it made her more powerful and independent. An idea that still persists today. It made him realize that it was possible to persuade people to behave irrationally if you link products to their emotional desires and feelings. The idea that smoking actually made women freer, was completely irrational. But it made them feel more independent. It meant that irrelevant objects could become powerful emotional symbols of how you wanted to be seen by others.

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2016/02/how-women-started-to-smoke.html

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Reply How women started to smoke (Original post)
no more banksters Feb 2016 OP
NV Whino Feb 2016 #1
saturnsring Feb 2016 #2
OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #6
saturnsring Feb 2016 #9
OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #10
TeamPooka Sep 2019 #17
xloadiex Feb 2016 #3
rurallib Feb 2016 #4
TeamPooka Sep 2019 #16
OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #5
no more banksters Feb 2016 #7
OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #8
Curmudgeoness Feb 2016 #11
SheilaT Mar 2016 #12
demigoddess Jun 2019 #13
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #14
captain queeg Aug 2019 #15
PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #18

Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:34 AM

1. "You've come a long way, baby."

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:04 AM

2. smoking is a disgusting filthy habit

 

this also sounds like hindsight bs

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:19 PM

6. You can hear Bernays yourself.

 

http://smellslikehumanspirit.com/edward-bernays-propaganda

Or you can remain ignorant and claim bullshit when something doesn't fit your limited understanding.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:36 PM

9. living with a smoker i know 1st hand it is a disgusting and filthy habit.

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:51 PM

17. That opinion brings so much enlightenment to this discussion.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:19 AM

3. It's unreal how much it was promoted

I'm a big fan of watching episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents and Boris Karloff's Thriller late at night. Most of the episodes are from 1959 to 62. I was just telling my husband how unbelievable it was that almost every character smoked in these episodes. From moms sitting at the breakfast tables with the kids to grandmas. Everyone lights up. Of course with the Hitchcock episodes it's also not uncommon to see a man smack a woman if she's being "hysterical."

We sure have come a long way.

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Response to xloadiex (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:25 AM

4. and all the doctor recommendations on which smoke was most healthful

yet had full rich taste ------ OMG!

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Response to xloadiex (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:49 PM

16. My fave TV smoking moment was Columbo with his cigar in an elevator and no one blinked.

but it was like that when I was a kid back then.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:27 PM

7. Thanks!

Thank you. Interesting and useful.

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:33 PM

8. You're welcome.

 

The whole series is a great listen.

Bernays talks about convincing people that bacon is part of a "doctor-recommended, hearty breakfast."

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:26 PM

11. My mother told me

that the reason she started smoking was because all the female movie stars smoked. And they smoked in a sexy way. I have a feeling that "ad placement" in movies went further back than we realize.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:05 AM

12. All anyone really need do is read

 

old Life Magazine and pay attention to the cigarette advertizing in the '30s and '40s. It was glamorized. It was recommended by doctors, who, as it happens, smoked in greater numbers than the population in general. Even though by the 1950s a common nickname for cigarettes was "coffin nails", there continued to be an enormous denial around the harm that cigarettes could do. And during the war there was a rise in independent women. Husbands and boyfriends were away. Some women joined the service themselves, and many who might otherwise have been homemakers were now in the work force. Smoking was of course a symbol of their independence, and perhaps even patriotism.

For those who haven't seen it, or have forgotten the details, watch the very first episode of Mad Men. They've gotten a cigarette account (I forget which one) and there's a bunch of both casual and rather pointed conversation around cigarettes. "People like to smoke," says one character.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:02 PM

13. Also breathing second hand smoke will lead you to smoke. I know

it happened to me. (life long non smoker here but once I craved cigarettes after a neighbor moved. I used to go and have coffee every morning with her. When she moved I felt the craving) I think that is why kids of smokers end up smoking. And it might have led wives of smokers to take it up also.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:34 PM

14. And while smoking pretty much never shows up in TV shows any more,

it's still often portrayed in movies as either glamorous or attractively defiant, such as when the hero lights up, is told smoking not allowed there, and continues to smoke anyway. Yuck.

And yeah, smoking is stinky and disgusting. Smokers are generally oblivious to the stinky aspect, and don't realize to what extent the addiction controls them.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 12:44 PM

15. Soldiers and sailors on both sides were issued cigarettes during the war

I think even rations during Vietnam contained cigarettes. Of course I’d hardly hold that against them. With the chance of being killed in action every day most of them probably weren’t too worried about their future health.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 03:20 AM

18. There was a time, which lasted to the mid or late '60s,

that airlines included a small pack of two or three cigarettes with the meals they served.

The issue of future health is huge.

My older sister died two and a half years ago at age 70 from the effects of lifelong smoking. She started at age 13, in 1960, when smoking was still glamorous and the accepted thing to do if you were an adult. The Surgeon General's report was still four years away.

Despite having a VERY serious heart attack at age 42, she was never able to quit completely or permanently.

She was only 18 months older than me, and by the time we were in our 50s people who didn't already know us and know how old we were or our age difference, were totally amazed to learn that she was only a year and a half older. She looked much older, thanks to the smoking.

I'm now 71. I tend to think I look my age, but when I tell new people how old I am they are usually completely astonished. They think I'm as much as a decade younger, which sort of surprises me. But at least two things are in play here. One, and probably the more important thing, is that I don't act 71. I have a liveliness more commonly found in someone a lot younger. The other is that because I've never smoked, I'm relatively unlined, and of course I don't have the gray skin seen in smokers.

It feels as if smokers never quite get it. They don't get the health implications. They don't get how much it ages them. They don't get that when they step outside for a cigarette, we can smell it on them when they return. Sigh.

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