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bif

(22,697 posts)
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:06 PM Jun 2021

Just discovered a painting I have may be worth a small fortune!

Some thirty odd years ago, my mom was involved in doing art auctions to raise money for a local hospital. After one show, she was stuck with several paintings and prints that went unsold. One intrigued me and I bought it and hung on to it over the years. My wife never really liked it and so it sat in our basement for years. Well, we had some major flooding over the weekend, so I dragged it out. It got a little wet but no real damage. It's a large painting on masonite. My wife said maybe we should just put it out on the patio and leave it to the elements. So I did a little research.

The painting is by F.N. Souza. Tons of info on Wikipedia and other sources. One of his paintings is in the Tate and they've been sold by Southeby's and Christies. It's a dark painting of a bunch of churches. It looks like Prague to me. Well, it turns out his work goes from anywhere from $13,000 up to $200,000! I'm not making this up! A friend suggested I take it to a local gallery and have it cleaned. Then approach a NY house and see how much it's worth.

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Just discovered a painting I have may be worth a small fortune! (Original Post) bif Jun 2021 OP
WOW - Dream big!! Laf.La.Dem. Jun 2021 #1
Identify and Value My Paintings group on Facebook Marthe48 Jun 2021 #2
Unfortunately, I don't do FB bif Jun 2021 #5
thanks. WhiteTara Jun 2021 #19
You're welcome! Marthe48 Jun 2021 #22
Wow! What a find! He has some interesting works! Good luck! CurtEastPoint Jun 2021 #3
Your friend is spot on. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #4
This painter is from Goa, India bif Jun 2021 #7
Thanks for that info. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #17
I just looked her up - beautiful work! Very Miro inspired. Rabrrrrrr Jun 2021 #24
What a great story! Nictuku Jun 2021 #6
For restoration ChazInAz Jun 2021 #8
I'd talk to Sotheby's or Christie's before cleaning. MLAA Jun 2021 #9
You can go online to Sotheby's and 'Christie's and multigraincracker Jun 2021 #16
Great story! CrispyQ Jun 2021 #10
Keep us cilla4progress Jun 2021 #11
Be very careful who you have clean it. Do much research as... brush Jun 2021 #12
👍🏼🤞🏼🥂🌈🍀💫💰💸💵🎉💕 LakeArenal Jun 2021 #13
Make Sure Your Insurance Covers It modrepub Jun 2021 #14
Yes! Blue Dawn Jun 2021 #21
Wowsers. shenmue Jun 2021 #15
Nice! happybird Jun 2021 #18
It's like an "Roadshow" episode Larissa Jun 2021 #27
I'd certainly like to hear what you find out Bayard Jun 2021 #20
Exciting! elleng Jun 2021 #23
If you are not in desperate need of the money right now I suggest... ZonkerHarris Jun 2021 #25
That's wonderful. Congratulations! Percy Jun 2021 #26
I would highly check in regarding the value *BEFORE* having it cleaned. NullTuples Jun 2021 #28
Let us know how it works out! TeamProg Jun 2021 #29
Wow! What a kick! lunatica Jun 2021 #30
Best of luck! BadGimp Jun 2021 #31
Thanks for all your suggestions! bif Jul 2021 #32
So what did it sell for? I know the house takes its cut off the top. brush Oct 2021 #33
L750 bif Oct 2021 #34
Whoa. That's major. Congradulations. brush Oct 2021 #36
What does L750 mean? Owl Oct 2021 #37
750,000 pounds bif Oct 2021 #38
Wow!! Congrats! Owl Oct 2021 #39
I'm just replying today barbtries Oct 2021 #35
Great story! elleng Oct 2021 #40

Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
2. Identify and Value My Paintings group on Facebook
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:14 PM
Jun 2021

You have to ask to join. You post pictures of the front and back, close-up of the signature, dimensions. Close-up of brushwork is helpful, too. The artwork has to belong to you, and no buying or selling.

The group has been very helpful to me since I joined. Highly recommend

WhiteTara

(29,705 posts)
19. thanks.
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jun 2021

I just applied to the group. I have a painting that may or may not be worth money. The artist is very famous and is sold in high end auctions and galleries. So here's hoping.

Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
22. You're welcome!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 01:59 PM
Jun 2021

Several of the members are really good at dechipering the signatures And I've gotten information about art that I own, such as value, age, information about the artist, or the technique used.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
4. Your friend is spot on.
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:20 PM
Jun 2021

I bought a painting from a local artist about 15 years ago. Recently there was an article in the paper about a local artist, and my painting looks a lot like the ones pictured. Mine does not seem to be signed, so I'm not entirely sure, although since it's a local artist, that would probably be easy to nail down.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
17. Thanks for that info.
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:56 PM
Jun 2021

My painter is still alive, some ten years younger than I am. Perhaps 50 years from now my painting will be valuable.

I don't recall what I paid for it, perhaps about $100, maybe less. I just looked her up, Emmi Whitehorse, and right now it looks like her works go from about $800 to $1,500. She has a very distinctive style which I like.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
24. I just looked her up - beautiful work! Very Miro inspired.
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 02:08 PM
Jun 2021

Her art is easy and compelling to look at. If I were at the gallery I found her right now, I'd be going home with something.

Nictuku

(3,607 posts)
6. What a great story!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jun 2021

I'm glad to hear you will take it to a gallery for cleaning, the worst thing you could do would be if you end up lowering its value by having it cleaned improperly.

MLAA

(17,288 posts)
9. I'd talk to Sotheby's or Christie's before cleaning.
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jun 2021

Just because a gallery is a gallery doesn’t always mean they have or know the best cleaning/restoration specialists. Crossing my fingers it is worth a boatload of $$$$$!

multigraincracker

(32,674 posts)
16. You can go online to Sotheby's and 'Christie's and
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:53 PM
Jun 2021

they are more than happy to evaluate it and give you a pre-auction estimate. I've done it a few times and found them very helpful. Just need to send them lots of photos and description. They will tell you about restoring it too.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
10. Great story!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:27 PM
Jun 2021

Good luck!

Many, many years ago I read a story about someone who bought an odd looking ceramic pot at a yard sale for $10 & later found out it was a Picasso valued at $40K.

brush

(53,776 posts)
12. Be very careful who you have clean it. Do much research as...
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jun 2021

incompetent restorers/cleaners can cause much damage.

Call a reputable art appariaser for value and advice on cleaning and whether it's a good idea.

modrepub

(3,495 posts)
14. Make Sure Your Insurance Covers It
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 12:37 PM
Jun 2021

I wouldn't get it cleaned before the appraisal and I'd get it appraised as soon as possible. I know from coin collecting that cleaning old coins can reduce their value. Best of luck.

Blue Dawn

(892 posts)
21. Yes!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jun 2021

I learned this the hard way. Cleaning can definitely reduce the value.

It can always be cleaned at a later date. If I were you, I would get an appraisal before doing anything else.

Just my two cents' worth!......

And good luck! I am hoping it is worth big bucks!!!

happybird

(4,606 posts)
18. Nice!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jun 2021

As an Antiques Roadshow junkie, this makes my heart sing!
Please keep us updated on your progress with appraisal and restoration!

Larissa

(790 posts)
27. It's like an "Roadshow" episode
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 02:54 PM
Jun 2021

Some of the folks who bring in works of art that they've had in the attic for ages, come close to passing out when they find out what it's worth.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
23. Exciting!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 02:02 PM
Jun 2021

May I suggest, don't clean it yourself; THEY'll do it, if deemed necessary.

P.S., if near NYC and interested, lemme know; family friends are in the framing and restoring business.

ZonkerHarris

(24,223 posts)
25. If you are not in desperate need of the money right now I suggest...
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 02:27 PM
Jun 2021

not selling it.
Get it appraised and insured.
Then, instead of selling it right away, look to a quality local museum you can LOAN it to that will exhibit it.
Regardless of what's it's worth now, exhibiting it in a museum will add to the provenance and value.
Let it spend a few years in public view, gaining fans along the way, and then down the road you can sell it when you really need the money.

Percy

(721 posts)
26. That's wonderful. Congratulations!
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 02:31 PM
Jun 2021

If I may give you some advice ... and I am an artist, please do not take it to the local gallery for cleaning! Many a work has been destroyed by well intentioned but inexperienced art restoration projects.

Just contact the major auction houses first and get their advice and recommendations. If you want to have it cleaned they will know who's best suited to restore the work taking into consideration when it was painted, where, which substrate was used, which paints and where they came from.

Or perhaps there is a Souza historic or preservation society?

Good luck on the adventure!

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
28. I would highly check in regarding the value *BEFORE* having it cleaned.
Tue Jun 29, 2021, 03:10 PM
Jun 2021

And then if it's worth it I'd use a place they recommend.

bif

(22,697 posts)
32. Thanks for all your suggestions!
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jul 2021

I'm going to photograph it and let Christies and Southeby's appraise it. I'll keep you posted when I learn anything.

brush

(53,776 posts)
33. So what did it sell for? I know the house takes its cut off the top.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:19 AM
Oct 2021

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barbtries

(28,789 posts)
35. I'm just replying today
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:35 PM
Oct 2021

because I had not caught this the first time and just to say very happy for you, well done!

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