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Question 7... (Original Post) hootinholler Sep 2012 OP
Sorry can't help. elleng Sep 2012 #1
This refers to the gambling issue.. right? DCBob Sep 2012 #2
Yes that's right, it's the casino question. hootinholler Sep 2012 #3
Sorry but I dont even know where the casino is supposed to be built. DCBob Sep 2012 #5
Personally I am anti-gambling LiberalEsto Sep 2012 #4
I'll probably vote yes Orangepeel Sep 2012 #6
Good idea, Zoning issue. elleng Sep 2012 #7
NO. How many casinos do we need. There are only so many gamblers. madinmaryland Sep 2012 #8
On the Fence AnnieBW Oct 2012 #9
I am so glad to see this thread. qwlauren35 Oct 2012 #10
Personally I hate slots hootinholler Oct 2012 #11
I just voted no in early voting deutsey Oct 2012 #12
They did make the same arguments for the lottery. yellowcanine Nov 2012 #17
inclined not to vote on 7 shireen Nov 2012 #13
I voted for it. Orangepeel Nov 2012 #14
Actually I did also hootinholler Nov 2012 #15
I am voting NO because this was a bait and switch. yellowcanine Nov 2012 #16

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
2. This refers to the gambling issue.. right?
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:36 PM
Sep 2012

Not sure either but I think yes also.. we need the jobs. Im assuming there will be some controls and restrictions so it doesnt become Las Vegas here.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
3. Yes that's right, it's the casino question.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:21 PM
Sep 2012

The thing is, I'm not sure that putting one in PG county will actually keep money in Md. Geographically Charles Town is closer to a lot of people than National Harbor. I don't see it impacting WV casinos, as people in Montgomery, Howard, Carrol Frederick and west will go to C.T..



There sure is a lot of FUD being spread in the ads I've seen.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
4. Personally I am anti-gambling
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:42 PM
Sep 2012

just as I was anti-gambling long ago when I lived in New Jersey. It ruins people.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
6. I'll probably vote yes
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:25 AM
Sep 2012

I don't believe any of the claims about jobs or money for schools. I just don't think gambling should be illegal. It should be a zoning issue, not a state legislative one.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
8. NO. How many casinos do we need. There are only so many gamblers.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:44 PM
Sep 2012

Two of the existing casinos are already seeing a large decline in business after the Anne Arundel parlor opened.

Enough, already.

AnnieBW

(10,459 posts)
9. On the Fence
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:17 AM
Oct 2012

I live in northern PG County. I've been to the Maryland Live! casino at Arundel Mills twice - the second time because we had a BOGO coupon for the buffet. I wasn't impressed. My friend who likes table games called the video "table" games an abomination.

Personally, I don't give a hoot what goes on in south county. I've only driven by National Harbor, never been there. I resent the people that run the Charles Town casino butting into Maryland's business. I'm tempted to vote for Question 7 simply to stick it to these jerks that are getting up in our business.

qwlauren35

(6,150 posts)
10. I am so glad to see this thread.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:12 PM
Oct 2012

I am so confused. The question goes so far beyond "gambling in PG County". It expands the option for a 6th casino ANYWHERE IN THE STATE. People are just assuming it will be PG County. It also expands options to tables for blackjack, etc.

The no arguments I've seen are: the money won't go to education - it didn't before, the jobs are Union and will go to non-residents, the addition of a 6th casino may hurt the business of the ones we have.

I have also heard that the state just LOWERED the taxes/state revenue on casino profits. That really pissed me off.

The yes argument is a big DUH. "More casinos with more gambling options are good for Maryland." Gambling has "the potential" to bring revenue to the state, including revenue from outside of the state. The taxes on gambling profits have the "potential" to go toward needed projects, including schools, and the additional revenue COULD relax the tax burden on Marylanders.

If I went on principle alone, I would vote no because I hate gambling. But Pandora's Box has already been opened, so it's just a question of expansion.

At any rate, these are the thoughts I'm mulling over, and I would love to see comments on them.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
11. Personally I hate slots
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:20 PM
Oct 2012

But game tables are another issue altogether. I go to Charles Town about twice a year. I doubt that would change if the new house was in PG county, but PG county/National Harbor would be a big draw from Northern Va. I kind of like the idea of Virginians coming to Md to gamble and help fill our coffers.

I doubt that the jobs will go to non Md residents, and hurting the business of an existing casino is well, business. Neither of those arguments are a strong reason to vote no. The money not going to education is well, possible, but that goes for any form of tax. The legislature can allocate or reallocate the disbursement of taxes. Unless there's a constitutional amendment that designates the use of a particular tax, they can essentially do what they want with revenues by changing the law.

I'm leaning yes, but probably won't be sure until I actually vote. It's a real flip flop issue for me.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
12. I just voted no in early voting
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:45 PM
Oct 2012

I'm anti-gambling industry.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall the same argument about schools was used back in the '70s to justify establishing a lottery here. I was in 7th or 8th grade, so I may not be remembering it clearly, but I swore that lottery proponents made that argument.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
17. They did make the same arguments for the lottery.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:59 PM
Nov 2012

And for slots a couple of years ago. At that time we were told we had to keep the slots money in Maryland. Lots of people predicted it wouldn't be long before the gambling interests would be back for more and here they are again.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
13. inclined not to vote on 7
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 03:47 PM
Nov 2012

I'm really put off by the incessant advertising on tv. That's a lot of money that could be better used helping schools. Big money is obviously behind both sides of it, and I don't trust them.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
14. I voted for it.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:41 PM
Nov 2012

I don't believe it will do much of anything "for jobs and schools" but I didn't buy the reasons to vote against it, which seemed to boil down to "they're lying about it providing money for schools" and "it's bad for poor people."

The first reason didn't convince me because even though I don't think it will provide money for schools or jobs, I don't believe it will cost them either. The second reason reminds me of the temperance movement and I don't much like telling people what they can and can't do with their money.

So I was pretty much on the fence up until I voted, but I came down on the side of letting people do what they want.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
15. Actually I did also
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:47 PM
Nov 2012

Pretty much for the same reasons plus as I said before I hate slots, but table games are funner.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
16. I am voting NO because this was a bait and switch.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:54 PM
Nov 2012

We were told two years ago that if we approved slots that would be the end of it. Now they are back for more. And yes I know that gambling interests are weighing in on both sides of this debate. If this were just about where the gambling venues go I might vote yes. But the bait and switch pisses me off. That said, I think it is probably going to pass, though most of the people I have talked to are voting no.

The whole gambling thing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. We are racing to the bottom with surrounding states. And corruption inevitably goes where gambling goes. That is why slots were outlawed in Southern Maryland in the 1960s. And this also does not consider the social costs, which everyone wants to wish away by throwing a pittance of dollars at gambling addiction treatment. Well guess what, that doesn't feed and house children whose parents are pissing away their paychecks at the casinos. I think we might be better off getting rid of all of it again, including the lottery, and raising money for schools the old fashioned way, with taxes.

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