I can't tolerate the bashing of Hillary here

[OKNancy]

It just makes me so angry. It's bad enough to hear the right-wingers do it, but so-called Democrats doing it is too much.
They are so self-righteous and sickening. Not only that but woefully ill-informed.

[shenmue]

1. Yes

[DesertFlower]

2. that's why i don't post here much.

[Cary]

14. Maybe we need to post more?

Too many of us, perhaps, get disgusted and leave. How has that worked out?

We could drown them out with positive effort.

[DURHAM D]

3. They are Paulites and trolls.

DU is no longer majority Democrat.

[greatauntoftriplets]

4. Agreed.

I saw an OP that bashed President Obama, too. It was removed.

[Coolest Ranger]

37. I just saw another

post that bashed him too and I started to report it but I was like screw it it will most likely stand

[greatauntoftriplets]

40. That's just sad.

I'm going to miss President Obama a lot.

[Lucinda]

5. The comments clearly show who actually knows what she campaigned about and who

most likely never watched a speech or read a policy proposal. It's disgusting, but highly enlightening.

[OKNancy]

6. indeed

a lot of ignorance out there.

[sheshe2]

7. Time for the admins to make a decission.

This will be a Dem site or JPR site which is the filthiest Hill hate site since the cave. They Looooove Trump and Stein. The C word according to JPR admins is welcome and applauded. Well depends on how you use it....never ever call a member at JPR that, you will be banned. So said TM99 an admin.

Bravo.

[northoftheborder]

8. I just juried an out of rules post. Don't know if it was removed, but definitely against the rules.

[radical noodle]

9. Like the primaries all over again

It's pretty horrible. Is this going to be the way it is from now on? Why don't they just go to the Hillary haters page?

[johnp3907]

10. I haven't seen it.

It must be coming from people on my ignore list.

[Thinkingabout]

11. I am going to get the list growing again

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. And they've been welcomed back, seemingly, with open arms.

[wisteria]

13. You know, I resent Sander's comments way too soon after the election.

What a gracious man he is.

[DesertRat]

15. I agree with you

The internet is filled with Hillary bashing. I don't think it should be tolerated here.

[Hekate]

16. It was old on the first day.

I can hardly wait until they go back to JPR, DI, and wherever else.

[LisaM]

17. Lots of hit and run posting, lots of Hillary bashing.

It makes me sick.

[Erin_Petrovna]

18. Very disappointed. Saw it on the FB page too

When DU was hacked on Election Night, I thought I could commiserate with my fellow Dems on the DU Facebook page. I was startled to see so much hate for Hillary and smug "Toldja it shoulda been Bernie" comments. I support the site because it is really the only game in town. But I refuse to be herded into a "safe space." Hillary stepped aside when President Obama won the 2008 primary. Her supporters then came into the fold. I'm tired of fans of Sen. Sanders telling me not to blame them for the ascension of Trump because "they wanted Bernie." Well, he needed to win the primary for that to happen. He didn't. They're rubbing our noses in this hideous loss and I'm not going to stand for it.

[LisaM]

19. It was safer to bash Hillary

They knew that she - and we, her supporters - were no threat to withhold our vote. We're not like that, as shown emphatically in 2008. Emphatically. Which goes to show that PUMA, if it existed (and I saw no evidence of it among anyone I knew) was either an extremelysmall or very short-lived movement, but Bernie or Bust wasn't.

[Erin_Petrovna]

20. I think it was shortlived

I'll acknowledge that as a black woman, I was pro-Hillary in '08. I actually did a college term paper on then-Sen. Obama's amazing keynote speech at the 2004 DNC convention, but I felt in '08 that Hillary was the more seasoned of the two of them. I was sorely disappointed when it became clear that she would not win the primary, and I did have some friends who were sore about it for a time. But we ALL came under the tent for Obama. There was no jeering, no backbiting.

I think I discovered DU around that time. I don't remember any Obama supporter having to hunker down in his appreciation group because the main boards were constantly bashing him. There were some disappointed people but as you said, most of us jumped in for Obama feet-first. That supporters of Sen. Sanders are so gleeful at a time that they ought to be scared spitless about the direction of this country under Orangina is horrific.

[LisaM]

21. Well said.

Scared spitless - exactly.

[BooScout]

22. Anyone who needs a safe haven in the storm...

Just pm me.

[Hekate]

24. Loveya

[Qanisqineq]

25. Hey BooScout

Long time no see.

[BooScout]

27. Wow! A blast from the past!

How are ya? Are you still stateside?

[Qanisqineq]

28. Yes I am

But thinking of trying to head back overseas next year.

[BooScout]

29. I am very thankful to be here in the UK...

...after this election. At least it appears Brexit may be dragged through the courts or Parliament for years.

[question everything]

23. Sadly, human nature.

We suffered a humiliating defeat. There is no way behind it. And blaming it on voter suppression and Citizen United is not helping. Hillary herself would not try to put blame elsewhere.

She headed the ticket so she now takes the arrows.

What I hope for the "Postmortem 2016" is that we can find the spots where we missed - and we did miss, no one is perfect - and to work on them for 2018 and 2020. This is what she would like us to do.

There is no comfort in pointing out that a main reason for the defeat is with Hillary. Because of her 2-Xs.

She should have carried the Scranton area of Pennsylvania but some voters said that "the President job is a man's job."

Yes, a neanderthal, but a voter, nonetheless.

I have not been much here since we came back and of course did not read most of the posts. But if I did, if I will, I will point out any unfair Hillary bashing. In all my posts I repeat that, no, Sanders was not the answer.

Let's hope that Skinner will keep this forum for a few more weeks, until even the non-star members can join, let everyone get the distress and disappointment out of one's system and then remove it.

[still_one]

26. no, that is a false narrative. Propaganda is a very powerful tool, and the media used it

to its full extent.

In fact, it was the last media feed frenzy that was the most damaging, and it was based on a lie.

11 days before the election, Comey went to the republicans in Congress with a vauge letter saying they were going to look at Weiner's computer, which they had for over a month, to see if there were "email issues". The republicans immediately grabbed that, and said the email investigation was being "reopened". It was a blatant LIE. MSNBC was the first cable/satellite network to headline their breaking new that "Hillary's email investigation reopened". MSNBC then proceeded to interview every right wing republican they could find, who continued to propagate the lie that the "investigation was being reopened". Soon, the other networks followed with the same LIE, that the "email investigation had been reopened". This went on for a few days, but the damage that was done was severe. A few days later as things begin to quiet down, Fox news bret baier reported from his sources in the FBI, an indictment was pending because of the "Clinton Foundation". That story was spewed all of Facebook and google news, (more on their part later). Two days later bret baier came out and said he was mistaken about a pending "indictment", and he apologized for the error. Good ole Rachel Maddow, was so taken by bret baier's apology, that on her show she jumped right to his defense saying what a terrific reporter he was for admitting a mistake. Of course that didn't stop fox news, or the trump campaign from continuing to spew the lie.

While all this was going on, the wonderful social networks such as Facebook, and search engine enterprises such as Google, were busy opening their flood gates to let the fake news right wing purveyors sell their bill of goods.

and that was what was happening in the last two weeks before the election,

but the fake news, and distorted and shabby reporting by the MSM was going on long before that. WMDs anyone?

The Shabby reporting has been going on for a long time. When the SC ruled on the ACA, the first reports that came out were that the ACA was overturned. It was a false report, and was eventually corrected. When Gabby Gifford was shot, they reported she had been killed. It also was a false report. When the Sago Mine disaster in West Virginia occurred, CNN was right there reporting that 12 miners were found alive. That was a false report, and they had to retract it, and report no survivors.

but how they covered Hillary verses how they covered trump was a disgrace.

The Matt Lauer interview demonstrated just how much there was a double standard.

On top of that there were at least 10%, aof Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary.

In Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar situations occurred in Wisconsin and other critical states.

27% voted for Trump. That number is unique because it is approximately the same percentage of Americans who believe the birther bullshit.

Those people that voted for trump, did it because they felt threatened by the "browning of America"

45% of adults rely on Social Media for their news, and it is loaded with Fake news stories.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/18/13665938/fake-news-pepsi

With the shabby MSM coverage, along with the fake news, it is no surprise that so many eligible voters didn't even bother to vote.

Every swing state Senate race, the Democrat lost, and most of those losses were to the establishment republican incumbent.

Russ Feingold, Zypher Teachout, Jane Kim and Loretta Sanchez all lost

It was the independent forces of, the media, the social network's "fake news" where up to 45% adults get their news from, the republicans, the FBI, the third party voters, and those Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary who gave us trump on a silver platter.

This really isn't rocket science, but even with all of that, Hillary still won the popular vote. Right now she is ahead about 2% in the popular vote, and that will get even bigger because states like California and Washington are still counting their absentee and vote by mail votes.

[ismnotwasm]

33. I even found some of it on YouTube "countdown" videos

You know the kind--the top ten this or that. One of them blamed Hillary for Benghazi in a 10 second clip.

[riversedge]

35. Comey, fake news and Putin was the trifecta

for Republicans-all hitting hard!

[nini]

30. It's disgusting

AND it's not productive.

[SaschaHM]

31. Bash back. Don't let the vulture pick at the party in an attempt to increase their profile.

Fight back.

[Coolest Ranger]

38. Every time we have tried to bash back

as you say, we get reported on and get our privileges revoked. I know its happened to me

[SaschaHM]

39. Ah, yeah some folks are preemptively targeted. I've managed to go under the radar for a bit.

[ismnotwasm]

32. Yeah it makes me sick

As does the sheer stupidity of it.

[betsuni]

34. It's becoming really annoying and obvious.

Wish they'd stay over in their own playground and stop bothering the adults.

[Coolest Ranger]

36. I know what you mean

Every time I log back on the site its some new post trending that attacks her and says she's the reason why we lost. Ugh sometimes this place makes me sick to my stomach

[Cha]

44. Aloha, Coolest Ranger!

[pandr32]

41. I have not been here with this group for a while

...but am starting to see that anti-Hillary attitudes are showing up again. It roils me to no end. She has behaved well--no twitter rants in the middle of the night and doing as she pledged from the beginning--to accept the results of the election. Now that her campaign has signaled that it will have a presence in the recounts does not mean she has flip-flopped or that she was so broken (women tend to dissolve like wet tissue don't-cha-know) that she avoided sticking up for Democrats until Jill Stein saved the day.

I can't believe I am on another page right now having an argument with someone who is suggesting Hillary was somehow self-serving or a Wall-Street hack when she sat on the Walmart board. I don't usually say anything but this time the Hillary bashing had little to do with the thread and served no point except to bash.

Ughhhhhhhh!!!

[Cha]

43. Aloha pandr! Just reregister here..

How the heck are you, sweetie? How's Hawaii?

[pandr32]

45. I just saw this!

Aloha Cha!
Yes, we are all moved in now and are loving living here. I feel some relief that we are a couple of thousand miles away from the mainland madness, but worry for our country. I am already trying to talk my friends and family into moving out here where it is blue, blue, blue!
Mele Kalikimaka!!!

[Cha]

42. Hi Nancy.. just came back to

DU.. been hanging out with supporters whose Heart is with Hillary.

[nini]

46. It seems it has gotten worse recently

I can barely stomach half the posts on this site anymore.

I use to come to DU to vent about the republicans now I have to see the party's nominee trashed repeatedly.

Makes me want to