So I"m watching Chris Hayes discussing how Trump also attracts

[Gloria]

Sanders supporters.

I've been saying for months that Sanders is the other side of the Trump coin...

You sure see it here at DU...

[Starry Messenger]

1. Sanders just repeated that there has been too much emphasis on LGBT and women's rights

and not enough on "economics"---my husband has heard me complain about this Sanders trait, but just jaw-dropped hearing him say it aloud.

[Gloria]

2. I'm telling you, Sanders is NOT what Sanders people think he is...see HORSESHOE THEORY below:

Notice Paragraph 2...

http://www.gutenberg.us/articles/horseshoe_theory


The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe. The theory is attributed to French writer Jean-Pierre Faye.[1]

Horseshoe theory competes with the conventional linear left-right continuum system as well as the various multidimensional systems. Proponents of the theory point to similarities between the extreme left and the extreme right. Specifically, the two ends share an authoritarian element. In extreme left political systems (such as communism) the government takes control of the economic resources. In extreme right political systems (such as fascism) the government also takes control of the economic life, creating a central planning. With both extremes, this theory asserts, the power elite are opposed to genuine clean elections, genuinely free media and speech, and similar democratic institutions that characterise the political center.
Contents

1 Origin of the term
2 Criticism
3 See also
4 References

Origin of the term

The earliest use of the term in political theory appears to be from Jean-Pierre Faye's book Le Siècle des idéologies.[2] Others have attributed the theory as having come from Lipset, Bell and an entire ‘pluralist school’.[3]
Criticism

Critics of the theory have suggested that many sociologists consider the Horseshoe theory to have been discredited.[4]

In University of Reading academic Peter Barker's[5] book, GDR and Its History, Peter Thompson[6] of the University of Sheffield observes that the theory is "increasingly orthodox", and describes the theory as seeing "left and right-wing parties being closer to each other than the centre".
See also

Left-right politics
Political spectrum
Blair's Law

[Starry Messenger]

3. I've heard that theory.

I identify as left-wing economically, but think white male cis-het "socialism" tends to be non-intersectional, which is what makes it also play well with the same white middle-class male anxieties as Trumpism. It's easy to say nothing else is an economic concern if you don't suffer from the particular problems that can restrict your life under racism, misogyny and homophobia, etc.

[Gloria]

4. I agree...economics is not the root cause of everything

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but the Sanders people buy into this...

[lonestarnot]

26. Give me an example of something that is not.

[Ellen Forradalom]

37. The sea lion has arrived

[BlueCaliDem]

44. Hahahaha! I'm going to borrow that image!

And I feel I'll be using it a LOT before the primaries are over.

[Ellen Forradalom]

46. it's called 'sea-lioning'

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning

[Skidmore]

47. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

*snort*

[DURHAM D]

30. I can't help but wonder if

National Nurses United are regretting their endorsement of BS. What a mistake.

[Starry Messenger]

31. I would be if I were them.

[synergie]

48. Do you think they know about it? I've only heard of this here, and I actually watch Chris Hayes!

[DURHAM D]

49. If they don't they should have.

I can not think of a union with a more diverse membership.

[okasha]

7. I think of it as a circle.

There's a place on the circumference where the two become indistinguishable.

[Cary]

22. I do buy this.

But given the fact that Trump is a lifelong liberal Democrat until the time he figured he could be a demagogue, I don't think the commonality is ideology at least not directly.

I think Trump supporters are angry at Republicans because they cannot deliver on their unrealistic promises, and they are stupid enough to choose Trump out of pure anger.

Bernie by contrast talks substance, but still gives voice to anger.

The only real commonality in "conservative" ideology is their irrational hatred of "Liberal."

Could Sanders supporters become 100% hate motivated and join forces behind Trump? That thought never entered my mind, until now. Sure they could and that ideology of hate is a very, very dangerous ideology.

Cripes!

[Cha]

5. Wow.. there are not words.

[Cha]

6. That include #BLM?

[Starry Messenger]

10. He just cited gays, women and climate change.

This time.

[lunamagica]

8. Really? He said that on Chris Hays?

Oh, I hope I can cathc a clip of it...

[Starry Messenger]

9. 4:35--starts there:

One on one with Bernie Sanders

Chris Hayes talks to Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) about his approach for courting Republican voters - even Donald Trump supporters. Duration: 6:24

MSNBC doesn't have a link that will render on DU, but here is the link for the episode, with the title of the chapter I cited:

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/one-on-one-with-bernie-sanders-598105155751#discussions

Hope that helps, their website sucks, sorry!

[Gloria]

12. Oh, that's the creepy minimization of black and women's issues

because the simplistic boob thinks EVERYTHING stems from economic issues...

He's is such a FOOL

And Hayes just laps it up...real journalist, there, no probing on that at all...

What I saw was the panel, I think they were at a pub or something, talking about the Trump/Sanders inbreeding...


OH, I expect to get alerted or something because I'm being so "hurtful." Even though it's all in plain sight...on the TEE VEE

[Starry Messenger]

13. I've been barely able to stand Chris this year, so sad.

He did a great series on the CA drought this year, but his Sanders fanboy coverage is risible.

[Gloria]

14. Hayes shows Trump rallies and Bernie love and that's about

what's he's been reduced to...

[BlueCaliDem]

15. Same here, Starry. His piece on the CA drought was really good, though. Too bad I can't stand

watching his subtle attacks on Hillary Clinton while drooling over Sanders and Sanders supporters. I just switch the channel when his show comes on.

[Starry Messenger]

17. The only time he's mentioned HRC is on spots about Planned Parenthood, etc.

It's sad. I'm sure Sanders is stoked to take advantage of the platform, since Hayes will give him lots of airtime, but it's so unbalanced it is absurd. I'm almost ready to switch over to CNN, lol.

[Walk away]

28. Chris Hayes is Foxnews for Socialist Fan Boys!

I don't believe his show will make it much past this election season.

[BlueCaliDem]

43. Chris Hayes must have some friends in high places at MSNBC because they just can't quit him.

[Walk away]

45. Don't worry...they will quit him PDQ.

After the nomination they won't have anyone watching him. He'll be sitting around a table with a bunch of other Progressives on Saturday morning, chipping in he 2 cents.

[lunamagica]

16. I saw it...Sure, gays and women can wait. Oh, man, I can't believe it

Actually, I can.

And there are those on the other thread saying that Sanders will be better on women's issues, and that Hillary shattering the glass ceiling won't change much...

Thank you, Starry Messenger!

[Starry Messenger]

18. Amazing, isn't it?

I am still pretty hot from seeing that. I've read articles where he's said similar things, but it feels vindicating folks are seeing this too. He is *still* diminishing our struggles by misdirection and re-centering a colorblind version of economic justice.

[Starry Messenger]

42. It's that little word "just" that is a real stab in the ass.

And he did use that word, your quote is nearly identical to what I recall. Having my concerns "othered" out of his economic calculus really burns me.

After fighting for our seat at the table, a struggle that has taken years, Sanders self-nominates as the Brogressive-in-Chief and basically acts like every other paper-socialist on the internet who airily waves away the struggle for equal and civil rights as "bourgeois." Must be nice!

Thanks buddy! I needed another year of being called a capitalist pig because I think preserving abortion rights is important, as well as fighting against all of the other forms of oppression that we get ON TOP of poverty and income inequality that drag us down even lower than white guys who are just finally getting it in the shorts from financial disparity.

/rant

I cannot wait for this primary to be over.

[Tommy2Tone]

19. Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell same thing

Saying there is a real opportunity for each of them to attract the others base. Said they talked to Trump supporters and they also like Bernie.

Makes sense have you read what is going on the Bernie forum? It's swift boat style stuff. -

[Gloria]

20. Exactly...

ANd then there's the bullshit about how Clinton OPPOSES family leave...it's the TAX INCREASES she opposes not family leave.

Bernie supporters are increasingly twisted...they sound like Republicans to me...oh, that's right, they do like TRUMP, too...

And Sanders knows what he is doing...and I've decided I could NEVER vote for him...I actually dislike him at this point...

[lonestarnot]

27. You use economic to debase Sanders and same to promote your candidate of choice. So, which is it?

[Gloria]

34. Sanders is playing both sides....want to tax the rich for SOME things..but on this

not so much....

Yes,, WHICH IS IT????

[Tommy2Tone]

29. Then there is the fact that Bernie is in the Senate and Hillary isn't

It's a bit hard to sponsor a bill when you are not in the congress. Sanders supporters have made me sour on him. Now they are going after Bill Clinton. Talking of his failed presidency and blaming Hillary for Bill's wandering eye.

It's disgusting.

[Treant]

33. Gloria, I have to admit

I'm in the same boat as you. Being told that people's rights have been over-emphasized is disgusting.

I'll crawl through glass to vote for Mrs. Clinton...not that it matters much, I'm post-Super-Tuesday, so it won't matter.

I'm still in the "grind my teeth and vote for Bernie on Election Day on the off chance he actually becomes the candidate," but...

[FloridaBlues]

21. I use to watch him but he's too over the top Bernie supporter

[Cary]

23. Some defense of Bernie, and to talk us down from this ledge a little...

I am Jewish Iike Bernie. We were very much discriminated against. There was a Jewish quota at Northwestern and a very wealthy Jewish family went to them and said here is a huge sum of money and it's yours if you remove that Jewish quota.

As Alan Dershowitz said we Jews bought first class citizenship, relatively recently too.

That may be Bernie's perspective.

[GusBob]

24. Yep. the "Us vs Them" campaigns

Proud to be one of "them"

It started on DU back in the used car salesman days

[Walk away]

25. The supporters of both men are almost identical in the way they idolize their candidates...

and treat the supporters of other candidates. I honestly don't see any difference.

[Gloria]

39. I'm too old to idolize anyone at this point

I am pragmatic and want The Supreme Court in Dem hands not a GOP shithead....or someone who is more pro - gun than me...


It's increasingly clear that Trump and Sanders are playing the "emotions" card to pull people in....Sanders halo is getting tarnished...

[leftofcool]

32. Angry white men, both of them.

This country doesn't need that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. I heard the same assessment from an NPR panelist on NPR this morning. BS & Trump are courting...

the same group of voters.

[Cha]

38. The three Ds..

The oh so Disappointed.

The Disaffected

The ***********

Asterisking that last one.. don't want to risk a hide speaking my mind.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. I see what you did there.

[Ellen Forradalom]

36. Right goes right until it meets left.

In 2000 I wrote an online quiz that asked whether a given quote was uttered by Ralph Nader or Pat Buchanan. It was so difficult, I frequently failed it--and I assembled the quotes.