Here's why some Bernie supporters might cross over to Trump

[denem]

Wall Street

Leaving aside the fact that the 2008 crash ruined hundreds of millions of lives all around the world, the burning insult to the American Public was that the bank bailout funds were not matched with criminal prosecutions of the principal offenders. Hell, the Dubya administration jailed people from Enron and Worldcom, even though both 'generously' supported the Bush campaign.

Hillary Clinton of course had no direct involvement with the failure to prosecute, and as we know, Wall Street's greatest critic, Elizabeth Warren, refused to run against her.

Anyway, here's something I posted in GD. If Wall Street crashes again anytime soon, this will be a Bernie vs Trump election

Trump: We're going to tax Wall Street
Bloomberg

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump pledged to "tax Wall Street" as he sought to use a severe stock market selloff to plant new seeds of fear among voters during a campaign rally Saturday in Ottumwa, Iowa. ...

"There's a bubble," Trump told his audience in southeastern Iowa, noting the nation's high level of debt. "You see the stock market is starting to, you know, see what's going on," he said. "It's starting to have some very bad weeks and some very bad numbers." ...

"I know Wall Street. I know the people on Wall Street. We're going to have the greatest negotiators of the world, but at the same time I'm not going to let Wall Street get away with murder. Wall Street has caused tremendous problems for us. We're going to tax Wall Street."

Trump also highlighted his independence from campaign contributions. "I don't care about the Wall Street guys," he said. "I'm not taking any of their money."

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-09/-tax-wall-street-trump-pledges-after-stock-market-selloff

[RKP5637]

1. It's probably the most interesting election I've seen. The establishment political machines on both

sides being challenged. Trump would usher in a lot of republican baggage IMO, and I can just imagine how SCOTUS vacancies would likely be filled.

[kjones]

28. I await Justice Gary Busey and Chief Justice Zombie Reagan

I'm sure Chuck Norris and Ted Nuggent are waiting in the wings.

[denem]

37. Don't forget Justices Big Mac & Quarter Pounder

It's all junk.

[Walk away]

2. Apparently, they enjoy being shouted at by a man who doesn't answer questions...

but just spouts off about unrealistic promises and hatred of government. I think it's a natural jump from one to the other and back again.

[denem]

5. And of course Bernie or Trump will totally control Congress

Dumber than dumb.

[Walk away]

19. Well, don't they have their screaming rabble to rise up and take over all branches of government???

Same old fringe politics! No difference.

[enid602]

26. candidates

Either candidate attracts what seems to be a cult of personality.

[kysrsoze]

3. Maybe from Trump to Sanders, but not the other way

Trump is nothing but a loud-mouthed, self-aggrandizing tool, with no policy statements other than keeping Muslims out of the country and making Mexico pay for a big wall. Other than anger at the government over the economy, there is nothing else that binds these two groups of supporters.

If Trump's supporters were to decide they've had enough of his B.S. and fascist attitude, I could see some of them crossing over to Sanders. But the idea of any more than a few fringe Sandera supporters backing Trump is absolutely ludicrous because they would actually have to believe Trump isn't a lying, self-promoting sack of shit. And that is most certainly not the case. Trump fully represents Wall Street and big business.

[William769]

11. GDP begs to differ with you.

Just saying.

[kysrsoze]

16. You're not saying anything of substance. Try a little harder.

[William769]

17. Ok, check your inbox.

Have a nice day.

[denem]

18. OK -anti Wall Street, anti free trade, 'wider' universal health care,

and not a hope of getting his policies through congress. Which candidate is that again?

[Historic NY]

4. Funny Trump & his enterprises are so heavily tied to Wall St.

The frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination has also waged a vituperative campaign against Wall Street, accusing hedge funds of "getting away with murder" — somewhat to the entertainment of the bankers who helped finance the rise of his business empire.

"I have been highly amused about Trump's comments about us given he's almost one of us, at least in a business sense," said one Wall Street banker whose group has provided Mr Trump's properties with millions of dollars in financing. "He is totally comfortable around Wall Street and bankers."

"Mr Trump characterises himself as not beholden to special interests, ridiculing hedge funds as "guys that shift paper around and . . . get lucky" and highlighting a contrast with his own record of building large construction projects."


http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/28/trumps-attacks-raise-eyebrows-on-wall-street.html

[denem]

7. Trump's campaign is certainly losing him business

starting with the Saudi's and UAE.

[kjones]

29. Trump had business left?

[underthematrix]

6. A person has to be so filled with hate and stupidity

if they cannot seen NAZI Trump as a mentally disturbed individual.

What he's saying makes absolutely no sense.

[denem]

8. Well actually the NSDAP blamed business and certainly the (jewish) banks

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Hitler went on to murder the socialist wing, the SA, in 1934

[kimbutgar]

9. I see the banksters calling in his loans

And his business empire imploding in the heat of his campaign. I am patiently waiting for the train wreck to happen. He is so smug and arrogant he won't see it coming.

[denem]

15. Oh I'm sure he will call them up and deal

It'a all straight from the Nazi playbook.

[kimbutgar]

21. Don't forget there were bankers who lost money on his bankruptcies and the other side of his " deals"

Still waters run deep. There is a resentment out there against trumpster the dumpster mouth.

[denem]

22. I think Trump wants to make them an offer they can't refuse

one way or the other. No doubt he's planning the most politicised DOJ since Nixon.

[newfie11]

10. No way in hell

Trump is 180 opposite of Bernie.
More likely It would be Hillary supporters!

[William769]

12. GDP begs to differ with you as does the Bernie Group.

Have a nice day.

[Walk away]

20. Most Bernie supporters seem very much like Trump supporters to me.

Willing to believe that their candidate can fix all of their problems without the help of anyone else in government. It's a little weird.

[Thinkingabout]

13. You are in the Hillary Group, please respect our group.

[Coolest Ranger]

24. I've already alerted one of the host

hopefully she'll respond shortly. I don't know why this was posted in the Hillary Clinton group to start with

[denem]

14. Trump is speaking out against free trade

and is talking about more universal health care than the ACA.

Wall Street
Trade
Health Care

That's not a bad start. The fact that neither he nor Bernie can deliver on their promises is even better.

And (for the moment) Trump supports marriage equality.

[Cha]

38. Nope.. more likely it would be BS supporters.

[Coolest Ranger]

23. This needs to go to either the General Discussion Primaries

or the Bernie Sanders group.

[denem]

25. No.

This is entirely relevant to the Hillary Clinton group. The subject is voters who may be lost if Hillary Clinton is the nominee.

If, as has been suggested by some, Bernie has a wider appeal than Hillary, then they are going to go elsewhere, or sit it out. As Trump is the leading GOP candidate, it is an entirely appropriate subject.

[Coolest Ranger]

34. I'll let a host decide this but as I said

This needs to go to bernie Sanders or General discussion, I haven't seen anything positive about Hillary in this

[denem]

36. I'm happy to have the thread locked

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if deemed inappropriate.

This group is vitally concerned with the voters who would be won and lost if Hillary is the Nominee. In GD this is likely to be seen as an outrageous attack on DU Bernie supporters, which it is not. Very few ppl here would give one seconds thought of supporting naked fascism.

Ultimately this is an election between the Democratic and Republican nominee. The ppl who support Bernie will have three choices if Hillary is the nominee - vote for her, sit it out, or vote for the Republican.

Trump is leading, and it's either him or Cruz. Rubio has no ground game and such is the hatred by a good section of GOP voters for 'The Republican Establishment' they want revenge anyway.

If Cruz is the nominee I can't see how Bernie supporters would swap parties. But Trump (says) he has three issues which are also important to the left : taking on and taxing Wall Street, effectively ending free trade, and supporting marriage equality. It's all a hoax, but if you can convince yourself that he is not serious about the racial stuff and you are not paying attention and you are sick of politics as usual, you may not care.

I would add, this is exactly the mistake the German people made about the NSDAP - couldn't be not serious about the racial stuff.

(Oh and in case you don't realise it, the rationale can be turned into an argument for supporting Bernie as nominee. I believe the arguments for Hillary are a lot stronger, she would bring in far more women voters and also older people who remember the Clinton Administration with affection, but it is what it is - what Democratic voters would Hillary Clinton risk losing. And THAT is definitely a topic for Clinton supporters because the defining character of her campaign is realism)

[denem]

27. I'm happy to have the thread locked if that's appropriate.

The shite that's thrown at Hillary is she is a Wall Street stooge. Well if Wall Street is THE issue for some people, there IS a (phony) Republican candidate who says he's going to take them on.

[leftofcool]

30. Trump/Bernie....two peas in the same pod

[kjones]

31. I think the main reason is that a lot of them just hate Hillary. It's as simple as that. nt

[denem]

32. PPL hate Hillary enough to vote for Trump?

I don't see that. I think this is more disembodied anger moving to hatred. And I see that in both the Trump and Bernie campaigns, although for different reasons. But there are some cross over points into pure popularism. And making promises that only a dictator can accomplish is one of them.

[kjones]

33. Ah, I meant not voting at all, but yeah.

I don't know...there's just a hashtag, youtube comment feel to both of them.
The campaigns just seem to feed of the worst energy of the internet, and a
lot of the in person supporters I've met of either (my grandpa and great-uncle
are Trump supporters...ick) which I've been able to have conversations with
often seem knowledgeable about their own candidate.

Neither group seems to like the government, or trust the government, but
both seem to want to use the government thoroughly (and neither seems
to comprehend presidential powers). Both groups are incredibly defensive
and easily perturbed. Neither seems to care about building bridges either
(except in the context of getting votes).
It's really weird actually, how the BS camp despises moderate Dems, but
seems totally open to incorporating moderate Independents and Repubs.
Or they seem to claim as much. And of course, both groups are somewhat
apocalyptic in the sense that they often have a "my way or blow it up"
attitude. Either sounds similar to the far right's "rise up/second amendment/
civil strife" attitude.

[denem]

35. Hillary's task is keeping to rational politics

when her opponents are flaunting the irrational, and their supporters don't seem to care.

The common thread is candidate supporters who seem intent on taking revenge on their own parties.

On DU it's hatred of the third way straw man, elsewhere it's smashing 'The Republican Establishment'

I would have thought one way forward is to remind people how sensible policies under the first Clinton administration brought about the best economic outcomes in US history. It's certainly a understandable counter to 'the back to the future that never was' promoted by Trump, Cruz and yes, Bernie.

I