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GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:42 AM Mar 2016

Revolutions are not popularity contests where the highest score wins.

Revolutions don't revolve around numbers. They never have and they never will. They are the pure essential spirit of progress. And they have a tendency of succeeding even when no one thinks that success is possible. Consider the following: The American Revolution didn't have the support of a majority of Americans. Less that a decade before, Thomas Jefferson stated that is was the goal of every American to be a good and loyal citizen and supporter of the Crown. During the civil war, the lives of black people in the North were nearly every bit as hellish as they were in the South. Bands of bounty hunters chasing down escaped slaves operated freely throughout the Union right up the day that the Emancipation Proclamation became the law of the land. Acts of lynching of black people in the Northern cities of New York, Boston, Chicago, and Philadelphia increased dramatically during the conflict. A German pastor speaking at a protest at the Berlin Wall the morning of November 9, 1989 said that his dream to see that wall come down sometime during his lifetime. The Berlin Wall opened to full travel that very same evening.

I voted for Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday yesterday.

The delegate count doesn't matter to me. His losses in Massachusetts and the South don't matter to me. Hell, even the fact that I voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008 doesn't matter to me. I voted for Bernie Sanders because it was simply the right thing to do.

OK, then. Why in the hell am I posting this on the Hillary forum?

Please understand something. If it were up to Bernie he would just as soon stay in his humble role as a faithful and dedicated senator from a small state and stay out of the limelight. Hillary Clinton has been passionately running for president for over a decade. She has coveted that position in the White House since the day her husband took the oath in January 1993. Make no mistake, that woman has worked her tail off for the past generation to achieve this goal and there are very, very few people in this country that can make a credible claim that they deserve this job more than she does. Bernie, on the other hand, is running for president because we literally forced him to do so against his will. He said no a thousand times before that essential spirit of true progress finally coerced him to say yes. Bernie relented because he knows this is not a campaign, this is a revolution. And this is a revolution that I am truly honored to be a part of. And as a Democrat, I feel that I owe it to all of Hillary's supporters to bare my soul to you so that even thought we strongly disagree, you will get the full explanation that you deserve.

This revolution truly frightens you. Given how the Republican Party has now become a fascist criminal organization I truly understand the fear you feel. But there is one and only one path that will lead to the defeat of fascism in the United States of America and that is the path of True Progressivism. The only time in my life that I ever cast a vote that made me feel as proud to be an American as the one I cast for Bernie yesterday was the very first vote I ever cast as a 19-year-old way back in 1990 for a man named Paul Wellstone. I was honored to do so again in 1996 and would've been doing so to this very day if not for the fact that Paul boarded a plane in October 2002 heading north and eight hours later I was crying. Those burning tears I wept back then have become the "Bern" I feel today. Myself and millions of others have taken Paul's broken wings and we have given them to Bernie. And whether he soars for two full terms or only two more months, my fellow revolutionaries and I are blessed to watch Bernie fly.

My God, how we love to watch him fly.


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Revolutions are not popularity contests where the highest score wins. (Original Post) GoldenThunder Mar 2016 OP
Uuuummmm... Ok PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #1
What absolute and utter tripe DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #2
In elections, the high score does win 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #3
And just how much are those elections going to matter... GoldenThunder Mar 2016 #5
And what do you think will happen the day after a Sanders victory in Nov. 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #18
.Revolution. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #4
I have no problem with BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #6
Why did you come to the Hillary group to tell us you voted for Sanders? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #7
Good question. GoldenThunder Mar 2016 #8
We do not appreciate disparaging post about Hillary, please delete and leave. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #11
It's called "Bernsplaining". We're a captive audience for him to wax poetic. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #10
There are other places to post, not in the Hillary group. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #12
This revolution truly frightens you. DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #13
No, the explanation of the revolution does not scare me in the least Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author johnp3907 Mar 2016 #9
Well,that was a close to cult speak as I've seen. sufrommich Mar 2016 #14
Good. johnp3907 Mar 2016 #16
I wont hide it. sufrommich Mar 2016 #17
I called it. He posted that here to be a martyr. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #19
Lol.nt sufrommich Mar 2016 #21
Ha! Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #23
I knew it! johnp3907 Mar 2016 #25
A revolution that sees people of color as its opposition? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #20
In a revolution, all the non believers are the opposition Rose Siding Mar 2016 #27
How long did it take you to write that? Politicub Mar 2016 #22
One more low post newbie Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #24
There's no reason you should lose sleep over this.. you came in here to Cha Mar 2016 #26
Oh, it's anything but boring! johnp3907 Mar 2016 #28
Boring is in the eye of the Cha Mar 2016 #34
No, Bernie's "revolution" does not frighten me. Republicans do. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #29
we all want the best for our country Her Sister Mar 2016 #30
You've no idea how much that word turns people off GusBob Mar 2016 #31
Reality vs. revolution romana Mar 2016 #32
I started to say more... artyteacher Mar 2016 #33

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
2. What absolute and utter tripe
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:49 AM
Mar 2016

You know the REAL revolution, that none of YOU are talking about is the WOMEN. Think about it. As evidenced at the polls, the electorate of women are for Hillary. I think that scares the shit out of the ones who swallow the patriarchal palaver.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
3. In elections, the high score does win
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:50 AM
Mar 2016

The Democratic Party has heard Bernie Sanders, and, as of this date, has declined his revolution. I believe it will continue to do so.

Your post is eloquent, but inappropriate.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
5. And just how much are those elections going to matter...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:04 AM
Mar 2016

...when those "Too Big To Fail" banks that are supporting Hillary today inevitably and totally collapse, bringing the nation down with it and leaving a wide-open path for the fascists to take total control of America by force.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
18. And what do you think will happen the day after a Sanders victory in Nov.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:52 AM
Mar 2016

If you don't answer "the biggest stock market crash in history", I have to wonder if you gave the question any thought.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
6. I have no problem with
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

your watching Bernie fly.

Me, I prefer to have someone more down to earth who has shown by her track record of impressive accomplishments that she can actually accomplish something.

And yes, in addition to Hillary's extraordinary intelligence and personal warmth, impressive educational background, varied work experience (her only full-time job wasn't just in the public sector and only then at the age of 40; she worked in the private sector as a well-respected lawyer in the 1980s and with the Clinton Foundation in recent years), long experience in activism where she actually was able to change things for the better for many of the most vulnerable here and abroad, successful experience as a well-liked and respected Senator from one of the most populous and diverse states in the US, extraordinary service as the most globally respected US Secretary of State in recent years (Kerry may approach that, but not yet), the fact that she is a woman is the cherry on top.

I am very sorry that you cannot appreciate that. Paul Wellstone most certainly would have. Al Franken, who knew Paul much better than you or I ever did, certainly does.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Why did you come to the Hillary group to tell us you voted for Sanders?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:18 AM
Mar 2016

This is not a forum, it is a group, please respect our group. You selected the Hillary group in which to post.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
8. Good question.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:27 AM
Mar 2016

That's why I asked that very same question in my post. You'll find the answer there as well.
I'm not asking for your approval. I'm just asking that you read it.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
10. It's called "Bernsplaining". We're a captive audience for him to wax poetic.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:33 AM
Mar 2016

Plus, when he gets banned from this group he can go tell GDP what a martyr he is.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
13. This revolution truly frightens you.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016
This revolution truly frightens you.


HAH! As I said before, your revolution is not real. But then again, since I'm a woman, what the hell would I know?

(not directed at the poster I'm replying to, but the OP)

Seriously though, the real revolution? Minorities are speaking, and speaking loudly. Women are speaking, and speaking loudly. Not a one of us are willing to be silenced by the OP and his ilk.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. No, the explanation of the revolution does not scare me in the least
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:42 AM
Mar 2016

I do not like disparaging remarks in the Hillary group.

Response to GoldenThunder (Original post)

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
17. I wont hide it.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:50 AM
Mar 2016

But I'm only one host,not sure how the others feel. I think or a pretty good example of "Bernie thought".

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
27. In a revolution, all the non believers are the opposition
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:29 AM
Mar 2016

If not exactly part of the establishment or the regime, then collaborators.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
24. One more low post newbie
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:04 AM
Mar 2016

Funny how they are coming out of the woodworks.

Must have gotten a new smartphone for Christmas.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
26. There's no reason you should lose sleep over this.. you came in here to
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:24 AM
Mar 2016

disrupt with some big ol talk about "revolution" and it doesn't mean a damn thing.

I won't be reading it.. but, just an educated guess.. I bet it's boring.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
29. No, Bernie's "revolution" does not frighten me. Republicans do.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:04 AM
Mar 2016

How unDemocratic to suggest your fellow Democrats are your enemy.

Hillary is a true progressive, one who has and will get progressive legislation passed.

I am happy to have Bernie stay in the Senate and continue to name post offices.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
30. we all want the best for our country
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

We have just come to different conclusions about how is best!!! Geesh!!

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
31. You've no idea how much that word turns people off
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:12 AM
Mar 2016

Revolution, spoken by a self proclaimed socialist.

It's a kill switch for minorities, Latinos and Asians especially. There is a reason the only states you are winning are white.

Please proceed with it's use, poster

romana

(765 posts)
32. Reality vs. revolution
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

White liberals have the luxury of revolution. Minorities, including women and PoC, do not.

artyteacher

(598 posts)
33. I started to say more...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:09 PM
Mar 2016

But let me say I respect Bernie and I understand a lot of what you're saying, but your revolution is in your own mind... or the minds of a lot of people... but really a minority in a bubble. Tyt and others have been sucked into your bubble too, and just don't see the big picture and the facts of what's going on. It's like they forgot who Nate Silver was!

To me your revolution is revolting, not scary. The GOP is scary. You're group is sometimes well meaning and sometimes just a tool of the GOP. When some of you pass on GOP lies and go as far as calling Democratic heroes like Bill Clinton scumbags, I know you don't have a revolution.

I hope some of what Bernie wants to push gets done eventually but, like Nader, your side is fighting the wrong enemy and enabling the real bad guys.

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