Bernie Sanders may not have won Colorado after all

[DavidDvorkin]

Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton by a 19-point margin in Colorado caucus straw polls this week, but the delegate count is starting to tell a different story.

Clinton now looks likely to tie the Vermont senator 38-38 in the state's delegate count, according to projections from The Denver Post, Bloomberg Politics and The Associated Press. That includes a potential 38-28 split in Sanders' favor in projections based on Tuesday's preference poll results, plus 10 superdelegates (out of 12) who have committed to Clinton, the former secretary of state.

http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29587219/bernie-sanders-may-not-have-won-colorado-after

[TheFarseer]

1. This is just sickening

Very demoralizing to HALF of the Democrats that we need in November, that your vote doesn't even count. Also plays into the entitled and smug image that Clinton is trying to fight. Super delegates is a terrible idea. If the idea is to over-rule the people, don't they think that will make a lot voters mad and tear the party apart? Super delegates should have never been implemented. It's almost as preposterous as adding 6 points to the Carolina Panthers score at the end of the Super Bowl and then seeing who wins because they're better, they just are. Everyone says they are.

[fun n serious]

3. Do you know you're in the Hillary Clinton group? nt

[Cha]

8. He was in Hillary's Group..

[fun n serious]

11. Ok.

The super delegates are fair IMO since they were created to assure a Democrat win the GE. There is a loyalty pledge also that goes along with being a Democrat. Bernie doesn't have Dem creds since he has always been Independent. I believe he once said he would never run as a Dem..

[Cha]

12. He did say that.. said it would be hypocritical of him to run as a dem. His campaign manager

helped set up the super delegate system, Tad Devine.. so they should talk to him.

Hillary had to live with the rules in 2008 and now sanders does.

[sheshe2]

15. Hahahhhahahahaha

Love you!

[Cha]

18. Hey love you, she! Just saw this news.. Hillary is really close in delegate counts in Colorado

My home state!

Hillary and her supporters had to deal with this in 2008 and now sanders and his supporters have to deal with the rules.

[sheshe2]

19. Boom!

I love your home state Cha.

[Cha]

20. They came through.. my sis and I in California were talking about this last night.. how Colorado

didn't go for Hillary.. now I get to give her an update!

[fleabiscuit]

24. Hammer Time!

[Cha]

28. Fleetwood! Mahalo, flea!

[Tommy2Tone]

25. Ha Go Cha

I love it when you go all bad ass.

[Cha]

27. LOL @Tommy!

I love it, too.

[yallerdawg]

5. Ever seen this, and why "Never again"!

[CdnExtraNational]

31. That looks like 1972, what about 1968? nt

Perhaps the party is divided more like 1968.

[Starry Messenger]

7. They aren't new to the process.

If Sanders felt he needed to have the rules changed on his behalf to help him, he didn't have much of a case to begin with.

[Sancho]

32. If it had not been for the system you are disparaging, Hillary would be President now!

Obama used the delegate process strategically to win in 2008!

There are rules of the game, and there are good reasons for super delegates. Look back at the mess of 1968 and also the mess that the GOP has now.

Sometimes things need to be changed, but not just because your candidate isn't winning. Frankly, Hillary is beating Bernie so badly now that no change in the system would make a difference in 2016.

[yallerdawg]

2. The Green Papers has it...

4 unpledged. 38 Sanders. 28 Clinton, plus 9 pledged superdelegates (37 so far)!

So, multiple reliable sources! A 'virtual tie' is a win!

8 out of 11? That WAS a Super Tuesday!

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml Mineral Man!

[Cha]

14. So we really did almost get as many delegates in Colorado?!

37 to 38?

How does that work, yallerdawg? Depending on what counties she won in? Help me understand? lol

Colorado is my home state!

MM!

[yallerdawg]

21. Cha!

Of Colorado's 78 delegates, 66 are based indirectly on Tuesday's caucus preference polls and will be assigned at meetings up through the April 15 state party convention, based in part on complicated allocations by congressional district that takes into account Tuesday's straw polls.

Some caveats: No delegates will be settled completely until the state convention. The delegate proportion also may change because delegates to county conventions are not bound and may change sides.

Then, throw in superdelegates who are generally the "party faithful" who can vote for the best candidate regardless of the whims of the electorate.

The estimated apportionment of caucus voting was 38-28 for BS, plus an additional 9 superdelegates pledged to Hillary (making 37 total, so far).

I hope that helps clarify it.

[Cha]

22. Yes it does.. Beware of caveats.. lol We'll have to see in April if this holds.. hopefully it will!

Thank you so much!

Hillary and her supporters had to deal with this in 2008.. now sanders and his supporters have to live with the rules.

[yallerdawg]

23. Exactly!

And I don't recall when we didn't hear this 2,000 plus number to win during the primaries - not just at the convention!

And if superdelegates had to vote the same as the state vote, then what difference would it make and why have them?

Democracy and majority rule is not always what it's cracked up to be.

Remember when Proposition 8 banned same-sex marriage - in California? There's your democracy.

[vdogg]

4. I'm not sure how this is possible.

Are they counting Super Delegates?

[vdogg]

6. Honestly, I wish they wouldn't do this

We're ahead overall in delegates and Bernie is not gonna make up that lead. Really no need to add supers to that total. Just stirs up the hornets nest.

[Treant]

9. Agreed

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This is not the Republican primary, we only have two candidates.

One of the two is going to go over the 50%+1 finish line (hint, it's Clinton). We have no need to even discuss the superdelegates because they won't be necessary.

[jsmirman]

26. I could not agree more

this is unnecessarily divisive stuff.

[Cha]

10. Those are the rules. Hillary and her supporters had to live with them in 2008 and now sanders and

his supporters have to live with them in 2016.

And, ah ha! Colorado is my home state! Great news. thank you, DD!

[otohara]

13. Maybe They'll Move

to Canada - there's weed up there too!

Kidding aside the kids came out in droves last night. Channel 7 did a story on the long lines in Boulder and many were turned away.

We spent more than 3 hours at caucus, some people left. It was chaos and no one is happy - the Dem party chair boasted on Twitter that 120,000 turned out. That is nothing to cheer about - I'm starting a change.org petition to get back the primary. I have a feeling others will do the same.

For a party that touts the right to vote - this system disenfranchises a whole lot of people.

[Cha]

17. No, don't remember that.. thank you for all the news from Colorado, otohara!

Primary would be better I think.. Mahalo!

[Agnosticsherbet]

16. The process in other states is to add in the super delegates when the states has its primary.

[stonecutter357]

29. K&R!

[bluestateguy]

30. I don't care for the creeping growth in the number of superdelegates with each election cycle

I am for changing these rules, but not midway through the game. Rules are rules. The Sanders team should have expressed their objections years ago.

By all means I am in favor of amending DNC rules to dimminish the role of superdelegates, for the 2020 cycle.

[Her Sister]

33. Ready to be President on day 1

Gov. John Hickenlooper (one of the superdelegates):

"I endorsed Hillary Clinton because I think of all the candidates in both parties, she is by a large margin the most qualified to come in and be president on Day 1," he told The Post through a spokeswoman. "I appreciate the intense attraction that Sen. Sanders has for many, but my support for Secretary Clinton has never wavered."