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Related: About this forumChavistas on motorcycles attack (gunshots) Capriles caravan in Cotiza (Spanish)
http://www.reportero24.com/2012/03/cotiza-motorizados-oficialistas-atacaron-caminata-de-capriles/attack wounded Ismael Garcia's (opposition politician) son with gunshot to arm. Garcia broke with
Chavez back in 2007.
Camera and equipment robbed from Globovision reporters too.
Cotiza: Motorizados oficialistas atacaron caminata de Capriles
Motorizados intentaron impedir la actividad de Capriles. La MUD rechaza las acciones violentas llevadas a cabo por simpatizantes chavistas.
Ismael García denuncia: una de esas
balas pudo asesinar a Capriles
■ Capriles advirtió que Este Gobierno Central representa caos y violencia. Hoy demostraron el miedo que tienen al futuro! El futuro será paz y tranquilidad para Venezuela.
■ Según el relato de la periodista de Globovisión Sara Ackerman se generó un enfrentamiento entre personas identificadas con franelas del Psuv y personas que integraban la caminata del candidato presidencial, Henrique Capriles.
■ La MUD rechaza las acciones violentas llevadas a cabo por simpatizantes del gobierno en contra de la caminata liderada por Capriles Radonski en el sector Cotiza de Caracas este domingo, donde resultó herido el hijo del diputado Ismael García y varios periodistas ultrajados. Por lo que exigen a las autoridades la averiguación inmediata de los hechos.
■ La caminata que realizaba el candidato de la Unidad, Henrique Capriles Radonski, por Cotiza fue interrumpida cuando sujetos sin identificar irrumpieron en el acto de forma violenta hiriendo al hijo del candidato de la Unidad para el municpio Libertador, Ismael García, y robando la cámara y otras pertenecias al equipo periodístico de Globovisión.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)TRANSLATED VIA GOOGLE
I must go to work -- now.
Globovision reporter, Sasha Ackerman reported that the ruling affections with flannels United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) attacked the people that made the trek Henrique Capriles presidential candidate, who ran the San Jose area Listed.
The ruling party who were carrying firearms, threatening Globovision team in place, forcing them to submit their work tools. "The whole team is trying to reach the right channel," added the journalist.
Francisco Fernandez, Globovision cameraman, said he could guard against aggression in the home of a member of the community, but the ruling party saw and entered the house to grab his camera, microphone, radio and records containing the material on the shooting that had originated minutes earlier.
Metropolitan Mayor Antonio Ledezma, said the congressman's son Ismael Garcia was shot in the right forearm. Said the young man named Ismael Garcia is being evaluated by doctors at a clinic in the capital. "Such attacks will generate a response to bullying people," he said.
It was learned that the youth will be transferred to the Bello Monte morgue for evaluation and have a forensic report of the abuse.
Shooting team Henrique Capriles ... by Globovision
Earlier, Capriles fans gathered at the El Retiro, where he noted the presence of motorized identified with the PSUV.
Threaten and rob Globovision team that ... by Globovision
Councilman Max Sanchez, said the tour will stop any threat of a presidential candidate. Meanwhile Councilwoman Maribel Castillo Libertador municipality claimed that the militants of the PSUV presented at the initial concentration of the tour are employees of the city council.
Related News:
Globovision assault team in action PSUV
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Brad Will was assassinated while trying to cover the Oaxaca protests, the murderers used chaos as their cover, and the culprits were never caught or charged (both sides say both sides did it but either way they wouldn't have gotten away with it if it was not in the midst of chaos): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Will
Here's the video: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/120304/momentos-violentos-durante-la-visita-de-capriles-a-cotiza
If you watch, you can see Chavista's coming in as a mob, armed, and then what I believe are firecrackers that go off along with a gunshot.
This was an assassination attempt.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Power corrupts, and all that...
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/sucesos/foto--asi-fue-el-tiroteo-en-acto-de-capriles.aspx
Note the chavezista with the gun...
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)naaman fletcher post was locked in LBN. should have been allowed to stand as its about the first English version I've seen other than blogs. http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=475124&CategoryId=10717
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Venezuela Opposition Presidential Candidate Capriles Rally Attacked by Gunmen (VIDEO)
Red shirted supporters of left-wing Venezuela President Hugo Chavez fired shots at a crowd of Opposition supporters gathered for a rally with Opposition presidential candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski. While Capriles was not injured, the son of prominent Opposition Congressman Ismael Garcia was wounded from a bullet in the attack in the Caracas barrio of Cotiza, in west Caracas.
CARACAS -- Red shirted supporters of left-wing Venezuela President Hugo Chavez fired shots at a crowd of Opposition supporters gathered for a rally with Opposition presidential candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski. While Capriles was not injured, the son of prominent Opposition Congressman Ismael Garcia was wounded from a bullet in the attack in the Caracas barrio of Cotiza, in west Caracas. The bullet hit his right arm and he is in hospital at Clinic Avila in Caracas.
Speaking outside of the hospital, Garcia, who is the leader of a socialist party that formerly supported Chavez but went into opposition when Chavez began trying to get his term limit overturned in a 2007 constitutional referendum, blamed the government for the attacks.
"The government cannot say that they are not responsible for this," said Garcia. "The people that attacked were known leaders of the PSUV," the government's political party.
"They know that we have the support of the people and that is why they are trying to intimidate us," added Garcia.
Opposition candidate Capriles also rejected the attack, saying "The government represents chaos and violence and today showed their fear of the future."
Bacchus4.0
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UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I guess that's all the proof anyone needs.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)and the testimony of the news editor that quit over the lie.
That's propaganda.
But the 5 brazillion fake stories, that's newz. lol
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)Andrés Izarra.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)I can't view the video here so I am in the dark somewhat.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)He resigned when the coup happened in 2002, became Minister of Information in 2004, then again in 2008, and is currently the president of Telesur (since 2005).
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)Do you really think - like the chavista are explaining here - that they're now shooting at themselves?
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)have been confirming the stories about the Chavistas while others are blaming Capriles and the opposition for getting shot at I guess. anyway, when the top liar isn't around to give the talking point lie, all hell breaks loose.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)This makes them look bad, they can't control their urban militias. Now, they'll probably explain this band is infiltrated by the CIA.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)You betchur sweet life I do. When did they ever care about anyone except their accountants.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)it seems the official version of events is suspect. I'll have to watch the rest. read the "cliff" notes version on Wiki. Xray says it was the government who shut down the media.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I am actually shocked that you hadn't seen X-Ray Of A Lie. It goes really really ridiculously deep. I mean, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised is a pure, unadulterated propaganda piece. And it's crazy because when I saw it initially I thought "well, this is pretty damning, the US is horrible, total coup there." Then I saw just how manipulative they were. Objectively manipulative. Not just "oh we omitted something" but "we actually fabricated truths." FOX News level propaganda.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)never saw Revolution, figured it was essentially a pro Chavez piece but didn't realize that even the title is deceitful.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)"X-Ray Of A Lie" is nothing but a pure propaganda piece. It's an apologist movie intended to redeem the 2002 coup-mongers. It's disgusting.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)X-Ray Of A Lie shows how The Revolution Will Not Be Televised lies.
In fact, if you had seen it, you would know that it even condemned the coupsters. So either you are intentionally being dishonest, or you haven't seen it.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)They don't condemn the coupsters. They try to legitimate their crimes. Througout the whole movie they call it of "SUPPOSEDLY coup d'état".
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...the assembly. That's a round condemnation. When they say "alleged coup" it's contrasted with the information that Chavez did say he was stepping down, which The Revolution Will Not Be Televised lies and says he never did.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)At the beginning of the documentary, the narrator says that the peaceful, joyful anti-Chávez protesters were met by angry, heavily armed pro-Chávez protesters. And then she says "21 people were killed and c. 130 were wounded". She didn't mention most of the victims were pro-Chávez protesters.
The documentary tries to prove that the four basic ideas of "The revolution will not be televised" are lies.
1 - "A racist, oppresive, privileged minority shamelessly tyrannize a poor Afro-American and mestizo majority".
Well... that's exactly the case, in Venezuela and elsewhere in Latin America. I understand, of course, the Venezuelan elite is not happy about this being perceived as truth, but... it is. And, seriously, everyone with a functional brain knows that.
2 - "Chávez was elected president by an oppresed people and his government protects this majority against the abuses of the rich whites."
If the Venezuelan people didn't share this view, why does Chávez keep being reelected?
3 - "the rich whites executed a classic coup d'État against Chávez supported by private media and the United States of America"
Where's the lie? This was a classic coup d'État and it was supported by private media. They want to prove this be false? How? The coupster, including Carmona, MET AT THE OFFICES OF VENEVISIÓN. Private media channels spent hours broadcasting pieces of propaganda convoking people to protest against Chávez in the Miraflores. On April 11th, the newspaper "El Nacional" published in their front page "THE FINAL BATTLE WILL BE AT THE MIRAFLORES". RCTV totally ignored the manifestations pro-Chávez.
As put by Le Monde Diplomatique:
"Never even in Latin American history has the media been so directly involved in a political coup. Venezuelas hate media controls 95% of the airwaves and has a near-monopoly over newsprint, and it played a major part in the failed attempt to overthrow the president, Hugo Chávez, in April. Although tensions in the country could easily spill into civil war, the media is still directly encouraging dissident elements to overthrow the democratically elected president - if necessary by force."
If you want an impartial view of the events of 2002, I would recommend getting information somewhere other than in a documentary made by ONE OF THE COUPSTERS and his fellow angry anti-Chavez academics.
Start by this article:
http://mondediplo.com/2002/08/10venezuela
4 - "Milions of impoverished Venezuelans rescued Chávez and restored him as president of Venezuela"
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised tells in a quite clear manner that main reason why Chávez was restored as president is the military officials loyal to him. They praise the popular participation as genuine. And it is. Millions celebrated after he was restored.
And yes, they quote a guy saying it was a coup d'État. Obviously, they cut most part of the same guy speech where he defends the coup as necessary.
ChangoLoa
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which is a very racist country, not so mixed and ruled by a priviledged white class, as you say.
Venezuela's social structure is not really similar to that. To undestand why, you should read about the Venezuelan 19th century, the elimination of the post-colonial oligarchy and the conservative party, and how oil specialization in the 1920's led to the rise of the all-mighty State as the unique center of the economy, and produced radical changes in our society. The postcolonial rural world ruled by land property and agroexports (mainly coffee and cocoa) quickly vanished, replaced by a urban economy, fueled by the public spending of the oil rent. The center of the economical dynamics shifted away from the classical Latin American mode (land-owning-agroexport-bourgeoisie / urban mercantile bourgeoisie) to a peculliar mode, organized between the petro-State, the State projects' contractors and a State-dependent mercantile bourgeoisie. Those people are quite distant from what you call a "white oligarchy".
And there's no such thing as a "mestizo and afro-american majority" in Venezuela. Simply a mestizo majority of around 80% of the population, from dark to clear. What people born in more racialized societies call Afro-American is the smallest group in Venezuela (5-10%*), less than the european whites who came after the IIWW. The miscalled "oligarchy" (which in Venezuela is a rich class made of urban opportunists and with absolutely no link to land property nor agriculture) is evidently mestiza. In fact, the only way to become rich and powerful in Venezuela (outside some few exceptions) is to work with the State (public administration) or to work for the State (contracts).
* I forget the indigenous group, which includes around 600,000 people (2%).
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)That's what the elites and upper midlle classes tend to say about Brazil too.
Some people disagree with you.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/30040277?uid=3737664&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21100646489956
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/322
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6188
http://venezuela-us.org/2011/08/15/venezuelans-support-law-against-racial-discrimination/
ChangoLoa
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You misread, ocpagu.
What you say doesn't only shock the supposed-white elites and the upper middle classes, it also offenses us, the supposed-dark lower classes. You're stereotyping our reality... in a way that would better suit Brazil, maybe. Are you white, ocpagu?
Anyway, I have NEVER said there's no racism in Venezuela or Brazil. Believe me, I'm quite well placed to know that. For an instance, I started my last message to you with "...Brazil, which is a very racist country".
What I said, if you care to look again, is that 1) there's no such thing as a white oligarchy in Venezuela and 2) I'm not even sure that you can call the rich group group an "oligarchy".
Thanks to oil revenues, every government ends up having its own "oligarchy", surrounding the State structure. It happened with the "revolutionary" low-middle class adecos (1958-1989) and it happens now with the chavista. Is it clearer?
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)You're merely arguing that the Revolution wont be televised is right about its postulates. You're not showing that the things discussed by X-ray of a lie are "disgusting" propaganda. You're not even discussing that point.
We're all curious to see the examples you promissed.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)But I know the Revolution won't be televised is a very manipulative piece of propaganda. I don't believe in the coupsters' version neither. And I believe it was a coup. But I think both versions were made with the purpose of manufacturing a story.
If you want to believe that the guy on the bridge was emptying his 9mm charger against some snipers on a roof, and also that your reflex is to lay down when you hear bullets coming from above... then we're definitely not going to survive as a species.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)I sympathize with the general spirit that brought him to power, I recognize several of his advances, but I admit Chávez has committed several mistakes. I also value democracy and, so, I believe there must be a healthy opposition to him. As long as this opposition is not an obscure, violent, quasi-facist group of dictactors-wannabe. While Venezuelan opposition doesn't change, I keep my good faith trust in Chávez. He's better than the alternative.
And the Venezuelan media... seriously, Chávez was TOO PATIENT with them. Several of those media barons deserved to be in jail. They are not above the law.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)As testified by the assassination attempt on HCR.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)This failed coup d'état shows that.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Much of that opposition including the generals who had power were ousted.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You have not provided any evidence to the contrary, except for posting a canned coup criticism that I've read so many times it's not even funny.
Yes, it was a coup, a failed one, at that. Yes the media covered it. But the TV station that hosted the coupsters got to keep their license. I wonder why?
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)... that you don't think that "coup criticism" is funny. It really isn't.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)ocpagu
(1,954 posts)Ok, then...
Hope you don't mind, but I'm done here. I see no point discussing parallel realities.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Doesn't change the fact that he's no better than any other coupsters out there as far as coups are concerned.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...drink it up, it wasn't meant really for public, Venezuelan, consumption.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)which saved me finding it.
Bacchus4.0
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EFerrari
(163,986 posts)I look forward to seeing their names reported so we can get beyond vague claims and move forward to getting justice.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)where have you been the last 12 or so years? lol
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)as you seem to be doing.
lol
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)though. quite knowledgable. its great to have DU posters who are quite knowledgeable and who have lived or currently living in Venezuela when discussing Venezuelan issues.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)I guess I warmed their hearts.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)De inmediato, Tavares ofreció los nombres y señas de los involucrados: "Alexander Berroterán, dirigente del PSUV en San Bernardino e integrante del Frente de Jóvenes por la Comunidad, y quien durante la gestión de Juan Barreto en la Alcaldía Metropolitana, fue jefe civil de la parroquia; Alejandro Ordóñez, miembro de la junta parroquial de San Bernardino; Richard Torrellas, funcionario del Consejo Municipal, adscrito a la Dirección de Atención al Soberano; Marcos Ford, militante del PSUV-La Pastora; y Carlos Urbina, exjefe civil de San José. A todos ellos los vi cuando llegué, interceptaron la marcha de Capriles Radonski".
La portavoz de PPT aclaró que no acusa a estos individuos de haber iniciado la balacera. "Yo no puedo decir quién disparó", sentenció, pero añadió: "yo ví a gente armada, personas con pistolas, junto a esos dirigentes del PSUV".
Sobre la fotografía que acompaña esta nota, comentó sin dudar: "ese es el señor Alexander Berroterán, estaba armado".
http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/120306/gente-armada-estaba-junto-a-dirigentes-del-psuv
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Lmao
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)not the chavistas with the guns.
lmfao
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That's why I mentioned Brad Will's murder, because chaos protects the assassins. You might get lucky and there might be a video recording it, but even then you have to get more lucky and hope the person filming doesn't duck when the shots go off (therefore losing sight of the gunman and missing the incident). It's really hard to document terror when chaos is apparent. The young man killed in Tunisia was filmed by young women on a roof, but it was a back alley and the culprits thought no one was looking. The Japanese filmographer who waskilled in Burma was filmed being murdered, but no one to this day knows who did it.
If you go find Brad Will's last video you can see how chaotic things are and see how he was unable to protect himself regardless (he was looking through the lens of a camera).
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Bacchus4.0
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