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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:41 PM Mar 2012

Chavistas on motorcycles attack (gunshots) Capriles caravan in Cotiza (Spanish)

http://www.reportero24.com/2012/03/cotiza-motorizados-oficialistas-atacaron-caminata-de-capriles/

attack wounded Ismael Garcia's (opposition politician) son with gunshot to arm. Garcia broke with
Chavez back in 2007.

Camera and equipment robbed from Globovision reporters too.



Cotiza: Motorizados oficialistas atacaron caminata de Capriles



Motorizados intentaron impedir la actividad de Capriles. La MUD rechaza las acciones violentas llevadas a cabo por simpatizantes chavistas.
Ismael García denuncia: una de esas
balas pudo asesinar a Capriles



■ Capriles advirtió que “Este Gobierno Central representa caos y violencia. Hoy demostraron el miedo que tienen al futuro! El futuro será paz y tranquilidad para Venezuela”.

■ Según el relato de la periodista de Globovisión Sara Ackerman se generó un enfrentamiento entre personas identificadas con franelas del Psuv y personas que integraban la caminata del candidato presidencial, Henrique Capriles.

■ La MUD rechaza las acciones violentas llevadas a cabo por simpatizantes del gobierno en contra de la caminata liderada por Capriles Radonski en el sector Cotiza de Caracas este domingo, donde resultó herido el hijo del diputado Ismael García y varios periodistas ultrajados. Por lo que exigen a las autoridades la averiguación inmediata de los hechos.

■ La caminata que realizaba el candidato de la Unidad, Henrique Capriles Radonski, por Cotiza fue interrumpida cuando sujetos sin identificar irrumpieron en el acto de forma violenta hiriendo al hijo del candidato de la Unidad para el municpio Libertador, Ismael García, y robando la cámara y otras pertenecias al equipo periodístico de Globovisión.

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Chavistas on motorcycles attack (gunshots) Capriles caravan in Cotiza (Spanish) (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 OP
Globovision link. Translation. Mention of robbing Globo.. Festivito Mar 2012 #1
Oh my god! Looking at the video is is very similar to Brad Will's murder, the tactics! joshcryer Mar 2012 #2
That's exactly what it was. Who's shocked, really? MADem Mar 2012 #7
More video and pictures: joshcryer Mar 2012 #3
Venezuela Opposition Presidential Candidate Capriles Rally Attacked by Gunmen (English) Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #4
English version should be allowed in LBN n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #5
It must be a conspiracy! UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #6
Because the opposition would never lie about the government shooting at protesters. EFerrari Mar 2012 #8
Thanks for the propaganda. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #10
Yeah, the actual footage EFerrari Mar 2012 #11
Right, the news editor who suddenly became the Information Minister. Right. ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #14
wait, whats this now? the journalist editor was appointed a Chavez administration official??? Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #15
No. He was editor of one of the private channels who conspired against Chavez. ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #17
Thank you. Precisely. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #39
The son of the opposition's candidate for Mayor of Caracas was shot in the arm ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #12
Chavez administration can't keep their lies straight. apparently some officials Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #13
This is bad for them, they wish it didn't happen. ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #16
Do I believe the oligarchy is capable of shooting at that kid? EFerrari Mar 2012 #18
X-Ray of a Lie debunks this propaganda. joshcryer Mar 2012 #19
fascinating, never knew about this Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #20
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised is a pure propaganda piece, full of lies and distortions. joshcryer Mar 2012 #21
I am actually shocked at myself. I never even had heard of Xray before. Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #23
Oh, please... ocpagu Mar 2012 #25
The viewers can watch both and say which is lying and which is not. joshcryer Mar 2012 #26
I have seen it. ocpagu Mar 2012 #27
They quote a guy condeming the coup and the installing of dictatorial powers and the disolving of... joshcryer Mar 2012 #28
Just some examples of how disgusting this piece of propaganda is: ocpagu Mar 2012 #29
As a dark brown mulato, I assure you that the problem is not racial in Venezuela as it is in Brazil ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #32
A "racial democracy", right? I've heard it before. ocpagu Mar 2012 #35
You misread, ocpagu ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #36
Where are the examples? ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #33
For a start, the Venezuelan media was deeply involved in the 2002 coup d'État. ocpagu Mar 2012 #34
No, I'm not. ChangoLoa Mar 2012 #37
ChangoLoa, I'm not a chavista. ocpagu Mar 2012 #38
The opposition is not "violent, quasi-facist group of dictactors-wannabe." That's Chavismo. joshcryer Mar 2012 #47
No. The opposition are saints. ocpagu Mar 2012 #52
That was a decade ago, the current opposition is not the same group. joshcryer Mar 2012 #55
The documentary merely provides evidence that The Revolution repeatedly fabricates shit. joshcryer Mar 2012 #48
Well, I guess it's a good thing... ocpagu Mar 2012 #53
Failed coup criticism most certainly is, when the coupsters wanted do dispose a coupster. joshcryer Mar 2012 #54
So Chávez is a "coupster"? ocpagu Mar 2012 #56
Chavez formed a coup and then got elected after jail. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57
BTW, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised was made for *export*. To make foreign non-thinkers... joshcryer Mar 2012 #22
Thanks for posting dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #30
the conspiracy is to do whatever necessary to prevent Capriles from winning. Chavista scum n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #9
Since the shooter(s) are well known party leaders EFerrari Mar 2012 #40
see post 24, and forget about justice when it comes to chavistas Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #41
I've been reading carefully and not chasing the right wingnut's every word EFerrari Mar 2012 #44
well, post 24 does have almost 10 words in it, so take your time. Josh is no wingnut Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #46
I'm on their ignore. joshcryer Mar 2012 #49
oh yeah, I had been there for at least a couple of years and for whatever reason not anymore Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #50
some names for you, enjoy!!! Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #42
"Yo no puedo decir quién disparó" EFerrari Mar 2012 #43
well its obvious, the Capriles supporters shot themselves!!! Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #45
In chaos like that it's impossible to see who fired. joshcryer Mar 2012 #51
The gunman was Berroterán Alexander, a well known Chavista. joshcryer Mar 2012 #24
thanks, there wasn't really any doubt who instigated this n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #31

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
1. Globovision link. Translation. Mention of robbing Globo..
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 08:45 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=221029
TRANSLATED VIA GOOGLE
I must go to work -- now.

Globovision reporter, Sasha Ackerman reported that the ruling affections with flannels United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) attacked the people that made the trek Henrique Capriles presidential candidate, who ran the San Jose area Listed.

The ruling party who were carrying firearms, threatening Globovision team in place, forcing them to submit their work tools. "The whole team is trying to reach the right channel," added the journalist.

Francisco Fernandez, Globovision cameraman, said he could guard against aggression in the home of a member of the community, but the ruling party saw and entered the house to grab his camera, microphone, radio and records containing the material on the shooting that had originated minutes earlier.

Metropolitan Mayor Antonio Ledezma, said the congressman's son Ismael Garcia was shot in the right forearm. Said the young man named Ismael Garcia is being evaluated by doctors at a clinic in the capital. "Such attacks will generate a response to bullying people," he said.

It was learned that the youth will be transferred to the Bello Monte morgue for evaluation and have a forensic report of the abuse.


Shooting team Henrique Capriles ... by Globovision

Earlier, Capriles fans gathered at the El Retiro, where he noted the presence of motorized identified with the PSUV.

Threaten and rob Globovision team that ... by Globovision

Councilman Max Sanchez, said the tour will stop any threat of a presidential candidate. Meanwhile Councilwoman Maribel Castillo Libertador municipality claimed that the militants of the PSUV presented at the initial concentration of the tour are employees of the city council.

Related News:

Globovision assault team in action PSUV

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
2. Oh my god! Looking at the video is is very similar to Brad Will's murder, the tactics!
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:43 PM
Mar 2012

Brad Will was assassinated while trying to cover the Oaxaca protests, the murderers used chaos as their cover, and the culprits were never caught or charged (both sides say both sides did it but either way they wouldn't have gotten away with it if it was not in the midst of chaos): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Will

Here's the video: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/120304/momentos-violentos-durante-la-visita-de-capriles-a-cotiza

If you watch, you can see Chavista's coming in as a mob, armed, and then what I believe are firecrackers that go off along with a gunshot.

This was an assassination attempt.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
4. Venezuela Opposition Presidential Candidate Capriles Rally Attacked by Gunmen (English)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:30 AM
Mar 2012

naaman fletcher post was locked in LBN. should have been allowed to stand as its about the first English version I've seen other than blogs. http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=475124&CategoryId=10717

-------------------------------------

Venezuela Opposition Presidential Candidate Capriles Rally Attacked by Gunmen (VIDEO)
Red shirted supporters of left-wing Venezuela President Hugo Chavez fired shots at a crowd of Opposition supporters gathered for a rally with Opposition presidential candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski. While Capriles was not injured, the son of prominent Opposition Congressman Ismael Garcia was wounded from a bullet in the attack in the Caracas barrio of Cotiza, in west Caracas.


CARACAS -- Red shirted supporters of left-wing Venezuela President Hugo Chavez fired shots at a crowd of Opposition supporters gathered for a rally with Opposition presidential candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski. While Capriles was not injured, the son of prominent Opposition Congressman Ismael Garcia was wounded from a bullet in the attack in the Caracas barrio of Cotiza, in west Caracas. The bullet hit his right arm and he is in hospital at Clinic Avila in Caracas.

Speaking outside of the hospital, Garcia, who is the leader of a socialist party that formerly supported Chavez but went into opposition when Chavez began trying to get his term limit overturned in a 2007 constitutional referendum, blamed the government for the attacks.

"The government cannot say that they are not responsible for this," said Garcia. "The people that attacked were known leaders of the PSUV," the government's political party.

"They know that we have the support of the people and that is why they are trying to intimidate us," added Garcia.

Opposition candidate Capriles also rejected the attack, saying "The government represents chaos and violence and today showed their fear of the future."


EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
8. Because the opposition would never lie about the government shooting at protesters.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:19 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
11. Yeah, the actual footage
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:16 PM
Mar 2012

and the testimony of the news editor that quit over the lie.

That's propaganda.

But the 5 brazillion fake stories, that's newz. lol

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
15. wait, whats this now? the journalist editor was appointed a Chavez administration official???
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:53 PM
Mar 2012

I can't view the video here so I am in the dark somewhat.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
17. No. He was editor of one of the private channels who conspired against Chavez.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:05 PM
Mar 2012

He resigned when the coup happened in 2002, became Minister of Information in 2004, then again in 2008, and is currently the president of Telesur (since 2005).

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
12. The son of the opposition's candidate for Mayor of Caracas was shot in the arm
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:30 PM
Mar 2012

Do you really think - like the chavista are explaining here - that they're now shooting at themselves?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
13. Chavez administration can't keep their lies straight. apparently some officials
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:36 PM
Mar 2012

have been confirming the stories about the Chavistas while others are blaming Capriles and the opposition for getting shot at I guess. anyway, when the top liar isn't around to give the talking point lie, all hell breaks loose.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
16. This is bad for them, they wish it didn't happen.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:01 PM
Mar 2012

This makes them look bad, they can't control their urban militias. Now, they'll probably explain this band is infiltrated by the CIA.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
18. Do I believe the oligarchy is capable of shooting at that kid?
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:46 PM
Mar 2012

You betchur sweet life I do. When did they ever care about anyone except their accountants.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
20. fascinating, never knew about this
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:34 AM
Mar 2012

it seems the official version of events is suspect. I'll have to watch the rest. read the "cliff" notes version on Wiki. Xray says it was the government who shut down the media.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
21. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised is a pure propaganda piece, full of lies and distortions.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:44 AM
Mar 2012

I am actually shocked that you hadn't seen X-Ray Of A Lie. It goes really really ridiculously deep. I mean, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised is a pure, unadulterated propaganda piece. And it's crazy because when I saw it initially I thought "well, this is pretty damning, the US is horrible, total coup there." Then I saw just how manipulative they were. Objectively manipulative. Not just "oh we omitted something" but "we actually fabricated truths." FOX News level propaganda.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
23. I am actually shocked at myself. I never even had heard of Xray before.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:55 AM
Mar 2012

never saw Revolution, figured it was essentially a pro Chavez piece but didn't realize that even the title is deceitful.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
25. Oh, please...
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 03:45 AM
Mar 2012

"X-Ray Of A Lie" is nothing but a pure propaganda piece. It's an apologist movie intended to redeem the 2002 coup-mongers. It's disgusting.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
26. The viewers can watch both and say which is lying and which is not.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 03:54 AM
Mar 2012

X-Ray Of A Lie shows how The Revolution Will Not Be Televised lies.

In fact, if you had seen it, you would know that it even condemned the coupsters. So either you are intentionally being dishonest, or you haven't seen it.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
27. I have seen it.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 03:58 AM
Mar 2012

They don't condemn the coupsters. They try to legitimate their crimes. Througout the whole movie they call it of "SUPPOSEDLY coup d'état".

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
28. They quote a guy condeming the coup and the installing of dictatorial powers and the disolving of...
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:07 AM
Mar 2012

...the assembly. That's a round condemnation. When they say "alleged coup" it's contrasted with the information that Chavez did say he was stepping down, which The Revolution Will Not Be Televised lies and says he never did.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
29. Just some examples of how disgusting this piece of propaganda is:
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:36 AM
Mar 2012

At the beginning of the documentary, the narrator says that the peaceful, joyful anti-Chávez protesters were met by angry, heavily armed pro-Chávez protesters. And then she says "21 people were killed and c. 130 were wounded". She didn't mention most of the victims were pro-Chávez protesters.

The documentary tries to prove that the four basic ideas of "The revolution will not be televised" are lies.

1 - "A racist, oppresive, privileged minority shamelessly tyrannize a poor Afro-American and mestizo majority".

Well... that's exactly the case, in Venezuela and elsewhere in Latin America. I understand, of course, the Venezuelan elite is not happy about this being perceived as truth, but... it is. And, seriously, everyone with a functional brain knows that.

2 - "Chávez was elected president by an oppresed people and his government protects this majority against the abuses of the rich whites."

If the Venezuelan people didn't share this view, why does Chávez keep being reelected?

3 - "the rich whites executed a classic coup d'État against Chávez supported by private media and the United States of America"

Where's the lie? This was a classic coup d'État and it was supported by private media. They want to prove this be false? How? The coupster, including Carmona, MET AT THE OFFICES OF VENEVISIÓN. Private media channels spent hours broadcasting pieces of propaganda convoking people to protest against Chávez in the Miraflores. On April 11th, the newspaper "El Nacional" published in their front page "THE FINAL BATTLE WILL BE AT THE MIRAFLORES". RCTV totally ignored the manifestations pro-Chávez.

As put by Le Monde Diplomatique:

"Never even in Latin American history has the media been so directly involved in a political coup. Venezuela’s ’hate media’ controls 95% of the airwaves and has a near-monopoly over newsprint, and it played a major part in the failed attempt to overthrow the president, Hugo Chávez, in April. Although tensions in the country could easily spill into civil war, the media is still directly encouraging dissident elements to overthrow the democratically elected president - if necessary by force."

If you want an impartial view of the events of 2002, I would recommend getting information somewhere other than in a documentary made by ONE OF THE COUPSTERS and his fellow angry anti-Chavez academics.

Start by this article:

http://mondediplo.com/2002/08/10venezuela

4 - "Milions of impoverished Venezuelans rescued Chávez and restored him as president of Venezuela"

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised tells in a quite clear manner that main reason why Chávez was restored as president is the military officials loyal to him. They praise the popular participation as genuine. And it is. Millions celebrated after he was restored.

And yes, they quote a guy saying it was a coup d'État. Obviously, they cut most part of the same guy speech where he defends the coup as necessary.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
32. As a dark brown mulato, I assure you that the problem is not racial in Venezuela as it is in Brazil
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:30 AM
Mar 2012

Last edited Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:02 PM - Edit history (1)

which is a very racist country, not so mixed and ruled by a priviledged white class, as you say.

Venezuela's social structure is not really similar to that. To undestand why, you should read about the Venezuelan 19th century, the elimination of the post-colonial oligarchy and the conservative party, and how oil specialization in the 1920's led to the rise of the all-mighty State as the unique center of the economy, and produced radical changes in our society. The postcolonial rural world ruled by land property and agroexports (mainly coffee and cocoa) quickly vanished, replaced by a urban economy, fueled by the public spending of the oil rent. The center of the economical dynamics shifted away from the classical Latin American mode (land-owning-agroexport-bourgeoisie / urban mercantile bourgeoisie) to a peculliar mode, organized between the petro-State, the State projects' contractors and a State-dependent mercantile bourgeoisie. Those people are quite distant from what you call a "white oligarchy".

And there's no such thing as a "mestizo and afro-american majority" in Venezuela. Simply a mestizo majority of around 80% of the population, from dark to clear. What people born in more racialized societies call Afro-American is the smallest group in Venezuela (5-10%*), less than the european whites who came after the IIWW. The miscalled "oligarchy" (which in Venezuela is a rich class made of urban opportunists and with absolutely no link to land property nor agriculture) is evidently mestiza. In fact, the only way to become rich and powerful in Venezuela (outside some few exceptions) is to work with the State (public administration) or to work for the State (contracts).


* I forget the indigenous group, which includes around 600,000 people (2%).

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
36. You misread, ocpagu
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:14 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)

You misread, ocpagu.
What you say doesn't only shock the supposed-white elites and the upper middle classes, it also offenses us, the supposed-dark lower classes. You're stereotyping our reality... in a way that would better suit Brazil, maybe. Are you white, ocpagu?

Anyway, I have NEVER said there's no racism in Venezuela or Brazil. Believe me, I'm quite well placed to know that. For an instance, I started my last message to you with "...Brazil, which is a very racist country".

What I said, if you care to look again, is that 1) there's no such thing as a white oligarchy in Venezuela and 2) I'm not even sure that you can call the rich group group an "oligarchy".
Thanks to oil revenues, every government ends up having its own "oligarchy", surrounding the State structure. It happened with the "revolutionary" low-middle class adecos (1958-1989) and it happens now with the chavista. Is it clearer?

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
33. Where are the examples?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:18 AM
Mar 2012

You're merely arguing that the Revolution wont be televised is right about its postulates. You're not showing that the things discussed by X-ray of a lie are "disgusting" propaganda. You're not even discussing that point.

We're all curious to see the examples you promissed.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
37. No, I'm not.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:38 PM
Mar 2012

But I know the Revolution won't be televised is a very manipulative piece of propaganda. I don't believe in the coupsters' version neither. And I believe it was a coup. But I think both versions were made with the purpose of manufacturing a story.

If you want to believe that the guy on the bridge was emptying his 9mm charger against some snipers on a roof, and also that your reflex is to lay down when you hear bullets coming from above... then we're definitely not going to survive as a species.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
38. ChangoLoa, I'm not a chavista.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 03:40 PM
Mar 2012

I sympathize with the general spirit that brought him to power, I recognize several of his advances, but I admit Chávez has committed several mistakes. I also value democracy and, so, I believe there must be a healthy opposition to him. As long as this opposition is not an obscure, violent, quasi-facist group of dictactors-wannabe. While Venezuelan opposition doesn't change, I keep my good faith trust in Chávez. He's better than the alternative.

And the Venezuelan media... seriously, Chávez was TOO PATIENT with them. Several of those media barons deserved to be in jail. They are not above the law.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
47. The opposition is not "violent, quasi-facist group of dictactors-wannabe." That's Chavismo.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:17 PM
Mar 2012

As testified by the assassination attempt on HCR.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
55. That was a decade ago, the current opposition is not the same group.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 02:34 AM
Mar 2012

Much of that opposition including the generals who had power were ousted.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
48. The documentary merely provides evidence that The Revolution repeatedly fabricates shit.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:19 PM
Mar 2012

You have not provided any evidence to the contrary, except for posting a canned coup criticism that I've read so many times it's not even funny.

Yes, it was a coup, a failed one, at that. Yes the media covered it. But the TV station that hosted the coupsters got to keep their license. I wonder why?

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
53. Well, I guess it's a good thing...
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:27 AM
Mar 2012

... that you don't think that "coup criticism" is funny. It really isn't.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
56. So Chávez is a "coupster"?
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 04:17 AM
Mar 2012

Ok, then...

Hope you don't mind, but I'm done here. I see no point discussing parallel realities.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
57. Chavez formed a coup and then got elected after jail.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 04:31 AM
Mar 2012

Doesn't change the fact that he's no better than any other coupsters out there as far as coups are concerned.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
22. BTW, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised was made for *export*. To make foreign non-thinkers...
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:45 AM
Mar 2012

...drink it up, it wasn't meant really for public, Venezuelan, consumption.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
40. Since the shooter(s) are well known party leaders
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:19 PM
Mar 2012

I look forward to seeing their names reported so we can get beyond vague claims and move forward to getting justice.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
41. see post 24, and forget about justice when it comes to chavistas
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:26 PM
Mar 2012

where have you been the last 12 or so years? lol

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
44. I've been reading carefully and not chasing the right wingnut's every word
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 05:19 PM
Mar 2012

as you seem to be doing.

lol

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
46. well, post 24 does have almost 10 words in it, so take your time. Josh is no wingnut
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 07:28 PM
Mar 2012

though. quite knowledgable. its great to have DU posters who are quite knowledgeable and who have lived or currently living in Venezuela when discussing Venezuelan issues.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
50. oh yeah, I had been there for at least a couple of years and for whatever reason not anymore
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:29 PM
Mar 2012

I guess I warmed their hearts.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
42. some names for you, enjoy!!!
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:38 PM
Mar 2012

De inmediato, Tavares ofreció los nombres y señas de los involucrados: "Alexander Berroterán, dirigente del PSUV en San Bernardino e integrante del Frente de Jóvenes por la Comunidad, y quien durante la gestión de Juan Barreto en la Alcaldía Metropolitana, fue jefe civil de la parroquia; Alejandro Ordóñez, miembro de la junta parroquial de San Bernardino; Richard Torrellas, funcionario del Consejo Municipal, adscrito a la Dirección de Atención al Soberano; Marcos Ford, militante del PSUV-La Pastora; y Carlos Urbina, exjefe civil de San José. A todos ellos los vi cuando llegué, interceptaron la marcha de Capriles Radonski".

La portavoz de PPT aclaró que no acusa a estos individuos de haber iniciado la balacera. "Yo no puedo decir quién disparó", sentenció, pero añadió: "yo ví a gente armada, personas con pistolas, junto a esos dirigentes del PSUV".

Sobre la fotografía que acompaña esta nota, comentó sin dudar: "ese es el señor Alexander Berroterán, estaba armado".

http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/120306/gente-armada-estaba-junto-a-dirigentes-del-psuv

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
51. In chaos like that it's impossible to see who fired.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:35 PM
Mar 2012

That's why I mentioned Brad Will's murder, because chaos protects the assassins. You might get lucky and there might be a video recording it, but even then you have to get more lucky and hope the person filming doesn't duck when the shots go off (therefore losing sight of the gunman and missing the incident). It's really hard to document terror when chaos is apparent. The young man killed in Tunisia was filmed by young women on a roof, but it was a back alley and the culprits thought no one was looking. The Japanese filmographer who waskilled in Burma was filmed being murdered, but no one to this day knows who did it.

If you go find Brad Will's last video you can see how chaotic things are and see how he was unable to protect himself regardless (he was looking through the lens of a camera).

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