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Related: About this forumThose Kids Crossing the Border From Mexico Wouldn't Be There If Obama Hadn't Supported a Coup the
Published on Saturday, July 12, 2014 by Common Dreams
Those Kids Crossing the Border From Mexico Wouldn't Be There If Obama Hadn't Supported a Coup the Media Doesn't Talk About
by Ted Rall
If you're reading this, you probably follow the news. So you've probably heard of the latest iteration of the "crisis at the border": tens of thousands of children, many of them unaccompanied by an adult, crossing the desert from Mexico into the United States, where they surrender to the Border Patrol in hope of being allowed to remain here permanently. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's detention and hearing system has been overwhelmed by the surge of children and, in some cases, their parents. The Obama Administration has asked Congress to approve new funding to speed up processing and deportations of these illegal immigrants.
Even if you've followed this story closely, you probably haven't heard the depressing backstory the reason so many Central Americans are sending their children on a dangerous thousand-mile journey up the spine of Mexico, where they ride atop freight trains, endure shakedowns by corrupt police and face rapists, bandits and other predators. (For a sense of what it's like, check out the excellent 2004 film "Maria Full of Grace."
NPR and other mainstream news outlets are parroting the White House, which blames unscrupulous "coyotes" (human smugglers) for "lying to parents, telling them that if they put their kids in the hands of traffickers and get to the United States that they will be able to stay." True: the coyotes are saying that in order to gin up business. Also true: U.S. law has changed, and many of these kids have a strong legal case for asylum. Unfortunately, U.S. officials are ignoring the law.
The sad truth is that this "crisis at the border" is yet another example of "blowback."
Blowback is an unintended negative consequence of U.S. political, military and/or economic intervention overseas when something we did in the past comes back to bite us in the ass. 9/11 is the classic example; arming and funding radical Islamists in the Middle East and South Asia who were less grateful for our help than angry at the U.S.' simultaneous backing for oppressive governments (The House of Saud, Saddam, Assad, etc.) in the region.
More:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/12-4
elleng
(130,908 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)the coup in Honduras?
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)A lot had been coming for years, even before Obama was born. In 1986 there was an immigration bill passed and there was not much follow up on whether the employers are hiring those with proper papers. If they are not hired they will not be here. The kids are another issue. I think their mothers are thinking like Moses' mother when she put him in the river in order to save his life. It is a big chance and hope the kids are okay until they can reach safety.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)The one Zelaya was trying to pull off, or the one the military pulled off to stop Zelaya?
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Zelaya's attempted coup doesn't count, it would appear.
roody
(10,849 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)ko͞o/
noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coups d'état; plural noun: coup d'états
1.
a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
"he was overthrown in an army coup"
synonyms: seizure of power, coup d'état, putsch, overthrow, takeover, deposition; More
revolution, palace revolution, rebellion, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, insurgence, uprising
"a violent military coup"
2.
a notable or successful stroke or move.
"it was a major coup to get such a prestigious contract"
synonyms: success, triumph, feat, accomplishment, achievement, scoop, master stroke, stroke of genius More
"a major publishing coup"
an unusual or unexpected but successful tactic in card play.
3.
a contusion caused by contact of the brain with the skull at the point of trauma.
4.
historical
(among North American Indians) an act of touching an armed enemy in battle as a deed of bravery, or an act of first touching an item of the enemy's in order to claim it.
Obviously, President Zelaya unsuccessfully attempted the second type (see: 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis), giving the Honduran military an excuse to successfully attempt the first type.
Judi Lynn
(160,530 posts)sad to say.
We'll stick with the truth, if it's o.k. with you, or not.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)Hardee har har.
"Those Kids Crossing the Border From Mexico Wouldn't Be There If Obama Hadn't Supported a Coup..." is the title of this thread YOU started.
Obama DID NOT "support the coup" in Honduras, no matter how loudly the Obama haters screech.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)You're a hair's breadth away from being being accused of being a disruptor in a very snarky, catty, yet oddly not uncivil or abusive manner.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)or at worst, how to use a dictionary. How about some evidence for Zelaya's "coup."
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)First, from the Carter Center:
http://www.cartercenter.org/news/current_qa/honduras_071309.html
And from Physicians for Human Rights:
"... The conflict in Honduras that led to the June 28 coup détat began when Zelaya announced his plans for a fourth ballot box, a referendum which would ask voters whether they supported convening a National Constituent Assembly to discuss amending the constitution. The vote would be held on November 29, coinciding with the forthcoming presidential, legislative, and municipal elections. President Zelaya did not announce that the effort to amend the constitution would specifically include altering Presidential term limits. Instead, he stated that he wanted to discuss the conditions of presidential reelection.
President Zelaya never otherwise outlined how he wanted to amend the constitution and only suggested that he wanted to modernize it. He also said that all reforms would be enacted after his presidency. The Honduran Supreme Court and military saw this as a socialist threat and an attempt to eliminate presidential term limits. Zelaya's leftist views combined with his relationship with Venezuelan President Hugo Chaves perhaps contributed to this perception of a socialist threat. In response, on May 27 the legislative branch declared the fourth ballot box illegal. According to the decision, certain parts of the constitution, including presidential succession, could not legally be amended...."
http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/justice-forensic-science/torture-investigations/honduras-constitutional-crisis-and-coup.html
And now, from a more mundane, but still accurate source, Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_constitutional_crisis
Satisfied?
roody
(10,849 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,530 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)I do see some frankly delusional folks posting about things that are not now and never were true, however.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Sorry.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)As surely as Bush's selection as POTUS by the SC was a coup, so was Zelaya's attempt to alter the Honduran Constitution's ban on successive terms as president. Sorry.
frylock
(34,825 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)at the US military installation.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Links? Proof?
frylock
(34,825 posts)TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) The U.S. military said Sunday its troops in Honduras did not know of and played no role in a flight that took ousted President Manuel Zelaya to exile during a military coup.
Zelaya says the Honduran military plane that flew him to Costa Rica on June 28 stopped to refuel at Soto Cano, a Honduran air base that is home to 600 U.S. soldiers, sailors and airmen engaged in counter-narcotics operations and other missions in Central America.
U.S. forces at Soto Cano "were not involved in the flight that carried President Zelaya to Costa Rica on June 28," Southern Command spokesman Robert Appin said in an e-mail to the Associated Press. The American troops "had no knowledge or part in the decisions made for the plane to land, refuel and take off."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-16-honduras-military_N.htm
Not a US airbase, but US service personnel are stationed there as part of our wonderful war on drugs.
roody
(10,849 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,530 posts)thanks to the convenient coup at just the right moment:
July 22, 2009
Zelaya, Negroponte and the Controversy at Soto Cano
The Coup and the U.S. Airbase in Honduras
by NIKOLAS KOZLOFF
The mainstream media has once again dropped the ball on a key aspect of the ongoing story in Honduras: the U.S. airbase at Soto Cano, also known as Palmerola. Prior to the recent military coup detat President Manuel Zelaya declared that he would turn the base into a civilian airport, a move opposed by the former U.S. ambassador. Whats more Zelaya intended to carry out his project with Venezuelan financing.
For years prior to the coup the Honduran authorities had discussed the possibility of converting Palmerola into a civilian facility. Officials fretted that Toncontín, Tegucigalpas international airport, was too small and incapable of handling large commercial aircraft. An aging facility dating to 1948, Toncontín has a short runway and primitive navigation equipment. The facility is surrounded by hills which makes it one of the worlds more dangerous international airports.
Palmerola by contrast has the best runway in the country at 8,850 feet long and 165 feet wide. The airport was built more recently in the mid-1980s at a reported cost of $30 million and was used by the United States for supplying the Contras during Americas proxy war against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua as well as conducting counter-insurgency operations in El Salvador. At the height of the Contra war the U.S. had more than 5,000 soldiers stationed at Palmerola. Known as the Contras unsinkable aircraft carrier, the base housed Green Berets as well as CIA operatives advising the Nicaraguan rebels.
More recently there have been some 500-to-600 U.S. troops on hand at the facility which serves as a Honduran air force base as well as a flight-training center. With the exit of U.S. bases from Panama in 1999, Palmerola became one of the few usable airfields available to the U.S. on Latin American soil. The base is located approximately 30 miles north of the capital Tegucigalpa.
More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/07/22/the-coup-and-the-u-s-airbase-in-honduras/
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New US Military Bases in Honduras
Written by Honduras Culture and Politics
Monday, 28 November 2011 20:52
Source: Honduras Culture and Politics
The United States military continues to build bases in Honduras, with the public mission of supporting US drug interdiction missions and oversight of the Caribbean, especially the area from Honduras to the Dominican Republic.
The first of these bases, at Catarasca, in the Mosquitia, opened in April 2010. The US built this base from scratch, providing all the materials, logistics, and construction forces through DOD contracts. One of the DOD contracts that only partially built the base was for $1.9 million:
"Caratasca FOL [Forward Operating Location] Facilities", $1.9 million contract W91278-07-D0098 0001, with Eterna S.A., initially to be completed in May 2009, extended to August 2009.
Now comes word that the visit of the HSV 2 Swift earlier this year brought the materials to build a base on Guanaja, an international tourist destination previously known as a diving mecca for its pristine waters, and a celebrity vacation spot.
Honduras has never had a navy base in the Bay Islands. The Guanaja base, at a cost of $2 million, again built from scratch, contains buildings and a pier built by US Navy personnel, and technology supplied by and installed by the US forces. It will eventually house a Honduran patrol boat, the L. P. Honduras, that was recently retrofitted by the Honduran Navy at a cost of $790,000 after being abandoned for the last 22 years!
The base will also reportedly house both US and Honduran aircraft used for drug interdiction missions. Quotha listed part of the public contract for the base on Guanaja as follows:
"Design Build CN (Counternarcotics) Facility", contract signed June 2010 for $1.2 million, funded by SouthCom, for completion by Empresa de Construcción y Transporte Eterna, by September 2011.
So the running total for these two bases is upwards of $3.1 million.
But wait, there's still more.
More:
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/news-briefs-archives-68/3331-new-us-military-bases-in-honduras
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Honduras public-private promotion agency, Coalianza, has announced that Constructora de Servicios Aeroportuarios Integrados S.A. (SAISA) has got the award of a concession contract for the design, construction, financing, operation and maintenance of the new Palmerola airport in Honduras.
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The estimated project investment is US$107 million and the concession period will be 30 years.
The Palmerola airport will be located on a former airbase on the major road between Honduras capital and San Pedro de Sula, just 70km from the capital and a 50 minute journey time, 13 km from the city of Comayagua.
roody
(10,849 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)We just have some troops stationed there as part of the DEA's 'war on drugs'.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)US troops moved after the lease was not renewed and the base continues to operate as an Ecuadorian military base
roody
(10,849 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)It is what it is, and no paranoid conspiracy theory is going to change that.
Al Carroll
(113 posts)At least it did back in 2008. In San Antonio, the US military was advertising for professors willing to teach soldiers college courses at the base. Since SA has a large population of native Spanish speakers, it was the ideal recruiting spot.
Judi Lynn
(160,530 posts)Friday 15 April 2011
U.S. to Open a New Military Base in Honduras
Tegucigalpa - Douglas M. Fraser, Commander of the U.S. Southern Command met Honduran Minister of Defense Marlon Pascua and agreed that the United States will increase its military bases in Honduran northern coast.
Fraser is visiting Honduras, according to him, for concreting cooperation agreements to fight drug trafficking and for a better regional security.
El Heraldo newspaper posted that a new base will be open in Islas de Bahia with the assessment of U.S. Southern Command.
The U.S. Southern Command is assessing another base since 2010 in Gracias a Dios department, in the border with Nicaragua with the pretext of fighting drug trafficking.
http://insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2011/april/15/centralamerica11041501.htm
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US to Open New Military Base in Honduras
by CubaDebate
The United States is planning to open a new military base in the Islas de la Bahía (Bay Islands) in Honduras, according to a report in the Honduran newspaper El Heraldo this Wednesday.
The news emerged after the meeting between Honduran Defense Minister Marlon Pascual and the head of the US Sothern Command Douglas Fraser.
The US military commander is on a visit to this Central American country to promote agreements that supposedly expand the collaboration against drug trafficking and the struggle to improve regional security.
The Honduran newspaper said that the opening of this new military base would constitute the second such opening in less than a year, after April 2010 when the Southern Command established its presence in Gracias a Dios Department on the border with Nicaragua.
More:
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/honduras160411.html
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Honduras Base Shows U.S. Military Role in Drug War
By Guy Taylor | 30 Nov 2011
Increased U.S. funding to fight drugs and organized crime in Mexico and Central America has attracted a good deal of attention in recent years. But flying largely under the radar is the growing role being played in that effort by the U.S. military, most notably now in Honduras, where U.S. Marines are engaged in a joint training exercise with Honduran troops and the Pentagon is financing a new naval base.
Theres been a noticeable uptick in U.S. military aid and cooperation in Honduras during the past year, says Adam Isacson, senior associate for regional security policy at the Washington Office on Latin America.
While the United States has a history of coordinating with the Honduran military, Isacson reminded Trend Lines this week that the spigot of aid was, for a time, shut off after the June 2009 military coup that ousted former President Manuel Zelaya.
The best illustration that those taps are once again flowing may be the $2 million base slated to open next month on the island of Guanaja, just off the northern Honduran coast east of Belize.
More:
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/trend-lines/10793/honduras-base-shows-u-s-military-role-in-drug-war
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Enclosing an article just for the right-wing, pushy, greedy, pointless, perverted visitors who imagine progressives want to hear from them:
Honduras: The Frontline in the Battle for Democracy
Written by Dick Emanuelsson, Translation: Jessica Shao and Monica Wooters
Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:46
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Battalion 3-16
Gloria Esperanza Reyes was one of the women arrested in the 80s, but she was lucky. She wasn't assassinated or forcibly disappeared like 218 and 110 Hondurans (respectively), victims of an order from the military intelligence unit known as "Battalion 3-16." The women were tortured with electric cables applied to their nipples and vaginas. They would start with 110 volts and ramp it up to 220 volts. "The first shock was so strong that you wished you were dead," recalls Gloria. José Barrera, one of the torturers of "3-16" confirmed Gloria's phrase, "They begged us to kill them. Torture is more horrible than death," said the thug on June 13, 1995 in an extended report from the Baltimore Sun daily newspaper in the United States.
What Barrera and the U.S. reporter did not know then was that one of the most hated members of "3-16," its captain Billy Joya, would walk into the presidential palace in Tegucigalpa on June 29, 2009 and sit down beside the de facto president, Roberto Micheletti as his "ministerial adviser." Joya knows how to pull the strings in a coup or a dirty war. He was one of the students "trained" by the Chilean police force during the Pinochet dictatorship.
The CIA Created a Monster
In August 1980, 25 officials from the Honduran Armed Forces landed on an unpaved runway in the deserts of the southwestern United States. They were received by five CIA agents, one of them called "Mr. Bill." Florencio Caballero, one of the 25 Hondurans that would be turned into an expert on "disappearances" in 3-16, told the Baltimore Sun, "We arrived at a military base; everything was private, no television, only video clips."
Battalion 3-16 was created by recommendation of the CIA in the context of the "Preventative War." It was an independent intelligence paramilitary command that with blind hatred executed anyone who smelled of subversion, progressiveness, or people's movements in Honduras. The inspiration and the "professors" came from the CIA and the Argentine military dictatorship, where their "efficiency" was shocking and resulted in 30,000 disappeared. Two Honduran generals, Gustavo Alvarez Martínez and José Bueso Rosa, confirmed that "the United States offered to create a special forces unit."
More:
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/honduras-archives-46/2043-honduras-the-frontline-in-the-battle-for-democracy