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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:38 PM Aug 2014

Grandson lost during Argentina 'dirty war' emerges

Grandson lost during Argentina 'dirty war' emerges
Aug 8, 2:40 PM EDT


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AP Photo

Estela de Carlotto, president of Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, right, and her
grandson Ignacio Hurban attend a news conference in Buenos Aires, Argentina,
Friday, Aug. 8, 2014. On Aug. 8, Carlotto located Hurban, the grandson born to
her daughter Laura while in captivity during Argentina's military dictatorship.
Laura was kidnapped and killed by the military in August 1978. Carlotto refers to
him as Guido, the name her slain daughter intended to give him.
(AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko) [/font]

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) -- A provincial music teacher in Argentina is making his first public appearance since he was dramatically identified as the long-sought grandson of the country's leading human rights activist.

Ignacio Hurban was identified this week as the grandson of Estela de Carlotto. The activist spent 36 years searching for the child taken from her daughter, who was executed by the military during the country's "dirty war."

Hurban and De Carlotto were speaking to the media Friday at the headquarters of the group she founded, Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo.

De Carlotto led the campaign to find hundreds of children taken from people killed by security forces and given to families who sympathized with the government during the 1976-83 dictatorship.

The circumstances of Hurban's apparently illegal adoption have not been disclosed.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_ARGENTINA_DIRTY_WAR_CHILDREN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-08-08-14-40-37

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Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
1. Very interesting post. Ever see the movie The Official Story? It's about an Argentinian couple and
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:14 PM
Aug 2014

their adopted daughter who turns out to be the daughter of a student who died in the Dirty War.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
2. Sure did, Louisiana. It was recommended by a poster at DU who lived in Argentina
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:51 PM
Aug 2014

during the Dirty War, with his ex-wife who was Argentinian. He recommended the film several years ago, and I got it a.s.a.p. online. It was an excellent experience seeing it, outstanding.

I learned about the poster around 2000, following his posts, and those of a terrific Argentinian woman on the now closed message board on Cuba at CNN. They had amazing conversations together about life in Argentina during the military dictatorship.

I was so glad when you mentioned you'd seen the film. It was very widely watched when it came out.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
3. They may be gone, but I am still your Abuelita...
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 01:34 AM
Aug 2014

Abuela (sp) - grandmother.

Abuelita -little grandmother.

A song by Richard Shindell. No video available, but the audio is available here.


In a crowd, I don´t know which way to turn
I´m afraid I might not see you go by
But if I did, would I find the strength to speak?
And would you want to hear what a stranger would tell you?

Soledad was your mother´s name
She fell in love with my Juan Luis
They may be gone
But I am still your Abuelita

You were born, and they took you from her arms
And the captain brought you home to his family
Now it may be that they have raised you as their own
And that it´s all you´ve known of home all these years

Soldedad was your mother´s name
She fell in love with my Juan Luis
They may be gone
But I am still your Abuelita

In my mind, there are pictures of your face
As it might be now
And I pray I would know you

So I will wait by the fountain in the square
You can find me there
And I will tell you a story

Soledad was your mother´s name
She fell in love with my Juan Luis
Now they are gone
But I am still your Abuelita

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
4. Guido, the Grandson in the DNA of All Argentinians
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 04:12 AM
Aug 2014

Guido, the Grandson in the DNA of All Argentinians
Analysis by Fabiana Frayssinet



BUENOS AIRES, Aug 8 2014 (IPS) - The recovery of “grandchild number 114” – one of the sons and daughters of those who were “disappeared” during the Argentine dictatorship – caused a commotion that many compared to the excitement of making it to the final match of the World Cup a month ago.

A degree of compensation for the wound that has remained open during 30 years of democracy but has finally begun to heal.

“Speechless”, “excited”, “ecstatic” were some of the terms repeated over and over on the social networks which reached a record number of retweets and shares on Aug. 5, when the discovery of the grandson of the president and founder of the Abuelas (Grandmothers) de Plaza de Mayo organisation, Estela de Carlotto, was announced.

A sensation of “speechlessness” felt by most – although not all – people in Argentina and reflected across the media, regardless of ideological slant.

“The tireless struggle to search for their blood relatives could never be called into question, it is something so natural, so logical, so right, that no one can remain indifferent towards it,” lawyer Marta Eugenia Fernández of the University of Buenos Aires told IPS.

Since 1977 the Abuelas have been looking for the children born into captivity or kidnapped along with their parents during the 1976-1983 dictatorship, which left 30,000 people dead or disappeared, according to human rights groups. The children were raised by military and police couples as well as by families unaware of their origins, who adopted them in good faith.

More:
http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/08/guido-the-grandson-in-the-dna-of-all-argentinians/

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
6. Argentine Musician Finds Out His Biological Parents Were Killed by Country’s Dictatorship 36 Years A
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 10:23 PM
Aug 2014

Argentine Musician Finds Out His Biological Parents Were Killed by Country’s Dictatorship 36 Years Ago

Uki Goni / Buenos Aires
12:39 PM ET


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Estela de Carlotto, president of Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, right, and her grandson Ignacio Hurban, left, hug during a news conference in Buenos Aires, Aug. 8, 2014.

Victor R. Caivano—AP[/font]

Ignacio Hurban's parents were killed by a ruling dictatorship, and he was raised by another family


It wasn’t until his thirty-sixth birthday two months ago that Ignacio Hurban was told he was adopted. But his was no regular adoption — it transpired instead under the most violent of circumstances.

His real parents, Oscar Montoya and Laura Carlotto, were arrested in November 1977 by Argentina’s ruling dictatorship because of their political activities, disappearing into the macabre system of death camps the military set up across Argentina. His father was secretly executed shortly after his arrest. But his mother, two months pregnant, was kept alive until Hurban was born in June 1978, after which she was also murdered.

Hurban’s case was by no means an isolated one. It’s estimated that some 500 infants suffered the same fate during the bloody 1976-83 Argentinian regime, during which some 20,000 mostly young left-wing political activists were murdered. The military made only one exception during its killing spree: Pregnant women were kept alive until they gave birth. Afterwards, the infants were handed over to military families or unsuspecting couples to be raised according to the “Western and Christian” values the military claimed to defend. These infants grew up completely unaware of their real identities.

“It’s a crime beyond all imagination,” says Robert Cox, a British journalist who lived in Argentina during those years, bravely reporting and even confronting top generals personally about the crimes they were committing. “I still don’t understand how men who are meant to be men of honor, military men, could fall so low. It’s the one crime above all others that wakes us up to the horror of what happened and how terribly evil it was.”

Two former dictators of that regime were eventually convicted for the systematic kidnapping of children. Jorge Rafael Videla died in prison last year while serving a 50-year sentence, Reynaldo Bignone remains behind bars. Various military couples who knowingly took in such children have also been convicted, including cases in which the “adoptive father” played a hand in the killing of the infants’ real parents.

More:
http://time.com/3096122/ignacio-hurban-argentina/

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
7. Good time to mention the Grandmothers were themselves tortured & murdered.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:53 AM
Aug 2014

Seems impossible, doesn't it, that any government in the world would stoop that low?

From a Wikipedia article regarding their most infamous torturer :


Alfredo Ignacio Astiz (born 8 November 1951) was a Commander, intelligence officer, Marine and maritime commando in the Argentine Navy during the military dictatorship of Jorge Rafael Videla during the Proceso de Reorganización Nacional (1976–1983). He was known as El Ángel Rubio de la Muerte (the "Blond Angel of Death&quot , and had a reputation as a notorious torturer. He was discharged from the military in 1998 after defending his actions in a press interview.

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In December 1977 Astiz organized the kidnapping of about a dozen people associated with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, including the founders Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti and two others. The non-violent group of mothers organized to learn the fates of their missing children and protested against the thousands of "disappeared." He also kidnapped two French nationals who were Catholic nuns, Leonie Duquet and Alice Domon. None was seen alive again after having been tortured at ESMA and "transferred", a euphemism for being taken elsewhere to be killed.

Astiz was witnessed torturing the nuns at ESMA by beating them, immersing them in water and applying electrified cattle prods to their breasts, genitals and mouths. A staged photograph intended to portray their support of the Montoneros, a Peronist leftist group, was leaked to the press. Despite repeated efforts by France to trace the nuns, the Argentine government denied all knowledge of them.

In late December 1977, unidentified bodies began washing up on beaches hundreds of kilometers south of Buenos Aires after heavy storms. Autopsies revealed they had died on impact, apparently having been thrown out of aircraft over the ocean, intended never to be discovered. In March 1978 Agence France-Presse reported that the bodies were believed to be the two nuns and several members of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, but this was not confirmed by the government. These and other bodies washed ashore were buried in mass graves at General Lavalle Cemetery, about 400 kilometers south of Buenos Aires.

In July 2005 several bodies of unidentified women were found in a mass grave in General Lavalle Cemetery. Forensic DNA testing by the Argentine Forensic Anthropology Team identified the remains of Duquet, Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti, and two other founders of the Mothers of the Plaza in August 2005.[4] Domon's remains have not been found.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Astiz

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