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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 01:14 PM Apr 2015

Bolivian President to Obama: Stop trying to transform the world into a battlefield!

Google translation:

Bolivian President to Obama: Stop trying to transform the world into a battlefield!
deutsche wirtschaft nachrichten:
German Economic News | Published: 15/04/15 10:57 clock

Bolivian President Morales has sharply attacked the US government at the summit of Latin American States in Panama. He accused Washington plan to destabilize the world, not to respect the sovereignty of other nations, and to behave with imperialist attitude against other states in the world. The US does not have to Cuba "help", but should pay for the damage they have done in Cuba.

Bolivian President Morales has sharply attacked the US government at the summit of Latin American States in Panama. He accused Washington plan to destabilize the world, not to respect the sovereignty of other nations, and to behave with imperialist attitude against other states in the world.

Morales said that poverty is caused in Latin America to a large part of American politics:


"The United States regarded Latin America and the Caribbean beyond their backyard, and the peoples of this region as their slaves. That is the reason for the extreme poverty in the region. I ask the United States, what we have done, we are treated as slaves in our own countries? I tell you, President Obama, Latin America has changed forever. We are no longer submissive. It is no longer possible to carry out in our countries coup. We are determined to determine our own future. We are no longer in the shadow of US imperialism. For we say what we think. And we do what we say. We urge you to respect our democracy and our sovereignty. Latin America has been kidnapped by the United States. We do not want any longer. We do not want any longer decrees of the US President, in which we are known as a threat to your country. We do not want to be spied. We want to live in peace. We urge the United States to end the destruction of entire civilizations. We want to live in peace, because it is less painful and gives us more satisfaction. "

Morales called on US President Barack Obama to pursue a new policy in the world: "We invite the United States to lead as a peaceful and supportive people, and not with a government of oppression and destruction. President Obama, listen ! on to fight in the world like a single large battlefield . Finish the division of the world into friends and enemies "Morales said to Obama:" I want President Obama say. empires disappear, only democracy has continued existence " It is inadmissible that Latin American countries would be defined by the US as rogue states, while they did nothing else than to pursue the interests of their peoples and their sovereignty.

More:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/04/15/boliviens-praesident-zu-obama-hoeren-sie-auf-die-ganze-welt-als-ein-schlachtfeld-zu-betrachten/
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Bolivian President to Obama: Stop trying to transform the world into a battlefield! (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2015 OP
The U.S. is an evil, SamKnause Apr 2015 #1
It got so amazingly bad since our childhoods, many of us are still in shock. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #2
Only the fascists like things this way. SamKnause Apr 2015 #3
Yes! Privatising the prison industry is a real gift that keeps on giving, and must keep on giving. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #4
Sounds like you'd be happier moving to another country Zorro Apr 2015 #8
Results... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #10
Serious Jack-assery of an alert. Aerows Apr 2015 #12
You were juried for some unknown reason. Aerows Apr 2015 #11
He likes his country, he doesn't like the fascists who ruined it. Should be easy to understand. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #13
BUNK MrTriumph Apr 2015 #5
The American way of life left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 #6
I know how you feel! I'm starting to get a little huffy, myself! Here's a list of interventions: Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #7
What a dumbass Zorro Apr 2015 #9

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
1. The U.S. is an evil,
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 01:22 PM
Apr 2015

war mongering country.

They won't stop until they control the world, or the empire falls.

They certainly are not defending the citizens of their country.

Poverty in the U.S. is rampant.

Our infrastructure is crumbling.

Our corporations evade taxes.

Wall Street robs us blind.

College is out of reach for the masses.

Torturers go unpunished.

Our politicians are bought and paid for.

It truly is sickening to watch.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
2. It got so amazingly bad since our childhoods, many of us are still in shock.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 01:56 PM
Apr 2015

I'm certain every point you mentioned is discussed from ocean to ocean every day, every night, in homes everywhere.

Clearly we have been shown they have no intention to allow democracy here. It doesn't pay the whore politicians nearly enough.

Just looking at the points you mentioned makes me nearly ill. It didn't take them long at all to almost completely destroy the country we knew. They stole it right out from under us, and replaced it with a wrecked one. Only the fascists like things this way.

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
3. Only the fascists like things this way.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

You sure said a mouth full.

I left out our bloated prison population and rampant police brutality.

I no longer recognize my country.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
4. Yes! Privatising the prison industry is a real gift that keeps on giving, and must keep on giving.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 02:24 PM
Apr 2015

Gotta hand it to the genocidally inclined cops who keep funneling in hordes of people who couldn't pay enough to get good lawyers.






Zorro

(15,740 posts)
8. Sounds like you'd be happier moving to another country
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 09:51 PM
Apr 2015

You should make that move as soon as possible.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
10. Results...
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:07 PM
Apr 2015

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Sounds like you'd be happier moving to another country
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Aerows

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12. Serious Jack-assery of an alert.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:19 PM
Apr 2015

I served on it, too.

I'm rather dismayed that anyone voted to hide this post. It is WELL within the bounds of the TOS, and people don't get to alert just because they don't like another person's opinion.

 

Aerows

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11. You were juried for some unknown reason.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:17 PM
Apr 2015

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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
13. He likes his country, he doesn't like the fascists who ruined it. Should be easy to understand. n/t
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 11:13 PM
Apr 2015

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
6. The American way of life
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015

How many countries have we invaded in the past 115 years? How many coups have we funded? How many people have our drones killed?
America-- that shining city on the hill. Leader of the free world. Example of democracy. blah-blah-blah

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
7. I know how you feel! I'm starting to get a little huffy, myself! Here's a list of interventions:
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

A BRIEFING ON THE HISTORY

OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

By Zoltán Grossman, October 2001

~ snip ~

COMMON THEMES

Some common themes can be seen in many of these U.S. military interventions.

First, they were explained to the U.S. public as defending the lives and rights of civilian populations. Yet the military tactics employed often left behind massive civilian "collateral damage." War planners made little distinction between rebels and the civilians who lived in rebel zones of control, or between military assets and civilian infrastructure, such as train lines, water plants, agricultural factories, medicine supplies, etc. The U.S. public always believe that in the next war, new military technologies will avoid civilian casualties on the other side. Yet when the inevitable civilian deaths occur, they are always explained away as "accidental" or "unavoidable."

Second, although nearly all the post-World War II interventions were carried out in the name of "freedom" and "democracy," nearly all of them in fact defended dictatorships controlled by pro-U.S. elites. Whether in Vietnam, Central America, or the Persian Gulf, the U.S. was not defending "freedom" but an ideological agenda (such as defending capitalism) or an economic agenda (such as protecting oil company investments). In the few cases when U.S. military forces toppled a dictatorship--such as in Grenada or Panama--they did so in a way that prevented the country's people from overthrowing their own dictator first, and installing a new democratic government more to their liking.

Third, the U.S. always attacked violence by its opponents as "terrorism," "atrocities against civilians," or "ethnic cleansing," but minimized or defended the same actions by the U.S. or its allies. If a country has the right to "end" a state that trains or harbors terrorists, would Cuba or Nicaragua have had the right to launch defensive bombing raids on U.S. targets to take out exile terrorists? Washington's double standard maintains that an U.S. ally's action by definition "defensive," but that an enemy's retaliation is by definition "offensive."

Fourth, the U.S. often portrays itself as a neutral peacekeeper, with nothing but the purest humanitarian motives. After deploying forces in a country, however, it quickly divides the country or region into "friends" and "foes," and takes one side against another. This strategy tends to enflame rather than dampen a war or civil conflict, as shown in the cases of Somalia and Bosnia, and deepens resentment of the U.S. role.

Fifth, U.S. military intervention is often counterproductive even if one accepts U.S. goals and rationales. Rather than solving the root political or economic roots of the conflict, it tends to polarize factions and further destabilize the country. The same countries tend to reappear again and again on the list of 20th century interventions.

More:
http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

(Since it was compiled in 2001, clearly it has missed some which have happened since then!)

I was very interested in grabbing this link when an informed DU'er posted it recently.

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