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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:12 PM Jan 2012

Crime booms as Central Americans fear police switched sides

Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 Modified Friday, January 20, 2012
Crime booms as Central Americans fear police switched sides


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A peculiar feature of the high-end neighborhoods of San Pedro Sula, Honduras, is that many
walled compounds have turrets for private guards to fire at any attackers. Few Hondurans
trust their own police. | Tim Johnson/MCT[/font]

By Tim Johnson | McClatchy Newspapers
Tim Johnson McClatchy Newspapers

SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras — In a city that's just earned the title of the most dangerous in the Americas, few people dare go to the police with complaints. Rather, they view police officers with fear, scorn and disgust.

"Society has completely lost confidence in the police. The citizenry is more afraid of the police than the criminals," said Jhon Cesar Mejia, a federal prosecutor assigned to look into abuses by the state.

In recent months in Honduras, evidence has turned up of police units involved in murder-for-hire plots, drug trafficking, extortion, auto theft and kidnapping. Distress over police corruption has grown only more intense in the three months since the dean of Honduras' national university fingered police in the murder of her son and the widow of a slain national drug czar blamed police for his assassination.

Deep-rooted police corruption is just one reason for the deterioration of public security that's shredding the social fabric of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, a region known as the "Northern Triangle" of Central America.

More:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/01/20/136474/crime-booms-as-central-americans.html

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Crime booms as Central Americans fear police switched sides (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2012 OP
That's impossible! The CIA just installed a new president in 2009, after kidnapping the old one txlibdem Jan 2012 #1
Gee, this calls for billions more U.S. taxpayer dollars for the "war on drugs"... Peace Patriot Jan 2012 #2
+1000 txlibdem Jan 2012 #3
Thanks! This kind of story, white-washing U.S. policy, really ticks me off. Peace Patriot Jan 2012 #4
So true. And even when they release info, it's almost always 90% "redacted" anyway txlibdem Jan 2012 #5
I am glad every newspaper article doesn't read like one of your posts Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #6
Hmmm... ocpagu Jan 2012 #7
Do you have an example of his doing that? nt naaman fletcher Jan 2012 #8
I can only give a list of sources I typically DON'T post from Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #9
I also review Amnesty International reports, Colombia Reports, NarcoNews, Peace Patriot Jan 2012 #14
posting news story on actual events that don't reflect well on the government is NOT appalling Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #15
Those in the State Department has merely changed the terms they apply to the very same prey. Judi Lynn Jan 2012 #10
the base is located some 50 miles from Tegucigalpa and Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #11
The "improvement" still leaves it wildly inadequate. Judi Lynn Jan 2012 #12
its still more practical than locating the airport 50 miles from the capital Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #13
A recent issue of Harper's tells of something similar going on in Mexico Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #16

txlibdem

(6,183 posts)
1. That's impossible! The CIA just installed a new president in 2009, after kidnapping the old one
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jan 2012

Honduras: the CIA coup you weren't supposed to know about:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x16833

Maybe the police just figured that since the President of their country could be "disappeared" just for calling on the people to vote for a Constitution they could do whatever they want until an actual government gets gets back into power.

Aint the USA just grand?!?

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
2. Gee, this calls for billions more U.S. taxpayer dollars for the "war on drugs"...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 10:51 AM
Jan 2012

...and for more Pentagon bases in Central America to "control crime" and for more "School of the Americas" 'training' of Central American police and military forces, and blah, blah, blah...



I think we need to realize that the massive carnage instigated by the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs" and the massive corruption that characterizes it are INTENTIONAL. They are meant to, a) destroy these societies and turn them into compliant slave labor camps and bastions against the growing independence movement in South America, and b) (in the Bush Junta's hands) to consolidate the cocaine trade and to better direct its trillion+ dollar illicit revenue stream to the Bush Cartel, the CIA, U.S. banksters and other beneficiaries (and in the Obama administration's hands, to protect and cover up this Bush Junta crime).

Massive murderousness had been fostered by U.S. policy and money. It is not random, not accidental, not endemic. In Colombia, for instance, where the impacts of U.S. "war on drugs" policy/funding have gone furthest along this destructive U.S. path, leftists became the targets--trade unionists, labor leaders in the mines and in the fields, teachers, community activists, human rights workers and other advocates of the poor--and have included FIVE MILLION peasant farmers brutally displaced from their lands by state terror. These are small farmers who grew food and maybe a few coca leaves on the side, for local use or for a small boost in poverty incomes. FIVE MILLION of them driven from their lands--THE worst human displacement crisis on earth--and the land goes to whom? To the bigger, protected drug lords; to fascist cronies of the Bush Junta's mafia boss in Colombia, (former president) Alvaro Uribe, and of course to Monsanto, Drummond Coal, Chiquita, Exxon Mobil and other transglobal monsters.

The violence starts with the phony, failed U.S. "war on drugs" and then gets directed at democratic society itself. The same bloody process is now happening in Honduras--and is beginning in Mexico and Guatemala. The infusion of U.S. billions supports militaristic/fascist forces in society. It is a war profiteer boondoggle and is extremely corrupting. Whatever failures or weaknesses already exist in military and police forces are made worse by orders of magnitude--and the targets become not just the smaller or non-cooperating drug cartels but also anyone who dares to oppose fascist rule--both political and apolitical organizers, members of social movements, labor leaders and so on.

And the cocaine just keeps on flowing.

This is a superficial article by McClatchy which gives an impression of the inevitability of massive murder in these countries--as if it just sort of happens. Bullshit! I don't believe that they are that dumb. So it is willful disinformation that they are purveying here, which is contrived by leaving things out--such as the U.S. support for the fascist coupsters in Honduras and the Bush Junta parting shot at Mexico of billions of U.S. "war on drugs" dollars to so bloody Mexican society that democracy collapses (and their oil can then be privatized). It leaves out the various genocides that the U.S. supported in Guatemala in the past. It leaves out the glaring reality that the cocaine just keeps on flowing, no matter how many billions of dollars the U.S. pours into this failed "war." And it leaves out the overriding reality in Latin America--the rise of the Left in South America and the increasing popularity of its goals in Central America and the Caribbean--goals which include establishing Latin American sovereignty and independence, social justice, use of Latin American resources to benefit Latin Americans, "south-south" trade and cooperation--and rejection of U.S. "free trade for the rich."

Central America/the Caribbean is the Pentagon's "circle the wagons" region. The U.S. "war on drugs" is the major tool being used to PREVENT the Left from gaining power in this region. Its GOAL is social mayhem. And we know from Rumsfeld that social mayhem is ripe ground for massive war profiteer looting and is ideal for the "big players" in international crime.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
4. Thanks! This kind of story, white-washing U.S. policy, really ticks me off.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:07 PM
Jan 2012

It is so distorted!

The 'black holes' where information should are enormous.

txlibdem

(6,183 posts)
5. So true. And even when they release info, it's almost always 90% "redacted" anyway
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:41 PM
Jan 2012

At some point we should know what our government (and it's many secret agencies and black ops programs) are truly up to. Perhaps they should be required to empty their vaults every 20 years so at least we get the truth after the fact.

I dunno. I just don't see why any other nation would take the word of the USA as anything but toilet paper. Our actions over the past century have shown that we have no scruples, no principles, no remorse and no humanity when anyone or any thing gets between our corporations and a pile of cash.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
6. I am glad every newspaper article doesn't read like one of your posts
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:54 AM
Jan 2012

full of conjecture and biased opinion while being unnecessarily long.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
7. Hmmm...
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jan 2012

I think you have no problems with posting articles full of conjectures and biased opinions... as long as they are anti-Chávez and anti-leftist propaganda.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
9. I can only give a list of sources I typically DON'T post from
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jan 2012

unless they are really funny.

Venanalysis
Prensa Latina
Telesur
Eva Golinger
Granma
Venezuela News Agency

because all are pro administration/government as well as funded. just as I wouldn't post from the US State Department site unless its matter of fact info or consular related info. such as the pull out of Peace Corps from Honduras, or there is a travel warning advisory for country X.

I assume the previous poster believes that most news sources NOT on the first list, would be anti-Chavez propaganda sites.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
14. I also review Amnesty International reports, Colombia Reports, NarcoNews,
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jan 2012

Counterpunch, Mother Jones, the Atlantic Monthly (to see what Washington 'think tanks' are concerning themselves with), the Guardian, the BBC, many social movement web sites from LatAm and around the world, Asia Times and a number of Asia-based news sources that report on the Americas, military.com and similar web sites (to keep up with Pentagon doings), in addition to a wide range of Corporate News sources (which require reading between the lines especially on LatAm issues).

All these, in addition to...
Venanalysis
Prensa Latina
Telesur
Eva Golinger
Granma
Venezuela News Agency

...give a much fuller picture of Venezuela and of the Latin American Left and its remarkable, politically successful movement than the extremely screwed up coverage of these subjects by the Corporate Press alone.

Note: I don't do Telesur because I'm on dialup. "Venanalysis" is actually spelled venezuelanalysis and is accessed at venezuelanalysis.com, for those interested in leftist views (including some criticism) of the Chavez government.

I believe in BALANCED news/opinion coverage and find the extremely biased Corporate News coverage of Venezuela, the Chavez government and the LatAm Left in general, appalling. It fails to answer or even address, even minimally, such basic questions as: WHY are Chavez and his government so popular? WHY are Brazil, Argentina and many other countries strongly ALLIED with the Chavez government? Corporate News is news for ignoramuses, so it REQUIRES being supplemented by other sources. You scoff at those sources, as if you would prefer people to remain ignorant of "the other side" on these issues. I think people who want to be well-informed--including people in the business world--should seek out many and varied sources on what is going on in LatAm.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
15. posting news story on actual events that don't reflect well on the government is NOT appalling
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jan 2012

you won't find much critical information posted on those propaganda rags. and when I say critical, I don't mean "criticize", I mean taking a hard look and nto believing the BS Chavez spews.

sorry, I don't consider Chavez or Castro to be "progressive". they lead repressive governments. calling yourself a "leftist" doesn't cut it. Leftist governments do not necessarily imply personal liberty and progressive policies. China, Soviet Union, N. Korea, Cuba all repressive "leftist" states. then there is Hugo and his toady Correa trying to lead their countries towards more state control and repression of personal freedoms and of the press.

I think Morales is too weak to enact similar policies in Bolivia so he does what he can and spouts alot of rhetoric.

If you want to be better informed, then read local latin america news sources. the US press isn't going to provide the same extent of coverage. the propaganda sites listed will only trumpet their political masters. learn Spanish.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
10. Those in the State Department has merely changed the terms they apply to the very same prey.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:39 PM
Jan 2012

Whereas the poor who must resist being raped, exploited mercilessly, driven off their land were called "communists" in the past, they are now referred to as being "drug traffickers." No more "commies" any more to murder, since Ronald Reagan has been declared the destroyer of all godless commies. He rid the world of "commie-nism" as his hero-starved, criminally insane right-wing insists.

The author finds a San Pedro de Sula Chamber of Commerce a worthy source for quotes on crime in the country. Yeah, that's the ticket. You can't go wrong using someone like that for the real story.

The Chamber cretin doesn't mention the fact that the police who started kidnapping, torturing, murdering anti-coup people worked for the coup plotters who became members of the new government. At least one of the coup plotters, one of the most powerful people in Honduras who also owns vast tracts of land, some of it stolen from the poor, is himself also a drug trafficker these days, a true man of many talents, a real Renaissance right-winger.

But it's not all a loss for everyone: the U.S., instead of losing the air base the duely elected President planned to convert to use for the people of Hondudas, since the one they have been using is the second most dangerous airport in the entire world, they now have not only kept control of that one, which means the people of Honduras must rely on the hideously dangerous one, of course, but they also have a new SECOND air base, as well for U.S. use.

May Latin America continue to strengthen its solidarity as it grows toward a new, clean, decent democratic world ahead.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
11. the base is located some 50 miles from Tegucigalpa and
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:38 AM
Jan 2012

the existing airport's runways have been improved recently. San Pedro Sula also has an airport not to mention the Bay Islands.

50 miles, not practical for servicing Tegucigalpa and the Teguc airport has been improved recently anyway.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
12. The "improvement" still leaves it wildly inadequate.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:36 AM
Jan 2012

Wikipedia:

~snip~
The airport received much notoriety as being one of the most dangerous in the world due to its proximity to mountainous terrain, its short runway, and its historically difficult approach to runway 02.[2] For years efforts have been made to replace it with Soto Cano airport in Comayagua, currently an airbase. Toncontín has, however, been significantly improved by the work of Airport Corporation of Tegucigalpa (ACT) and InterAirports, a company contracted by the Honduran government to administer the country's four major airports.

The airport has a single asphalt runway, which sits at an elevation of 1,005 m (3,297 ft) AMSL. Until May 2009 the runway was only 6,112 ft (1,863 m) in length. In 2007 the approach to runway 02 was made significantly easier by work which systematically bulldozed a large portion of the hillside, immediately before the threshold. Following on from this work, in May 2009, the southern end of the runway received a 984 ft (300 m) extension, lengthening it to 7,096 ft (2,163 m). As of 2011 the runway is listed as being 2,021 × 45 m (6,631 × 148 ft)

Boeing 757s are the largest aircraft that normally land at Toncontín. Even with its recent runway extension, Toncontín has one of the shortest international runways in the world.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toncont%C3%ADn_International_Airport

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
13. its still more practical than locating the airport 50 miles from the capital
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jan 2012

that's just dumb. further improvements can still be made to the existing facilities. and given the improvements already made, why move the airport 50 miles away?

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
16. A recent issue of Harper's tells of something similar going on in Mexico
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jan 2012

The killings were originally one drug gang's paid-off cops being killed by a rival drug gang, but now the cops have become just as dangerous as the narcogangs, randomly arresting and abusing, even killing anyone they think looks like a drug dealer.

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