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Related: About this forumTo the Washington Post: Venezuela Is, in Fact, An Example of the Failure of Socialism
To the Washington Post: Venezuela Is, in Fact, An Example of the Failure of SocialismIt is fundamentally irresponsible to attempt to disassociate the Venezuelan disaster from socialism.
By Orlando Avendaño Last Updated Aug 23, 2018
Francisco Toro comes up short when he attempts to let socialism off the hook for Venezuelas humanitarian crisis (EFE)
In the Washington Post, Venezuelan Francisco Toro, columnist for that newspaper and founder of the Caracas Chronicles group blog, presents an attempt to dissociate the Venezuelan tragedy from its ideological cause.
In the article, entitled No, Venezuela does not prove anything about socialism, Toro rails about what he calls the conservative American mediasphere. He deems them opportunists, seeking to promote their agendas by taking advantage of the Venezuelan drama. Specifically, he accuses them of linking anyone who raises the banner of socialism with those responsible for the worst humanitarian drama that the region has suffered.
His argument is based on the following premise: Venezuela is not the only country in Latin America that has been governed by some self-styled socialist, but Venezuela is the only one plunged into an unprecedented humanitarian tragedy.
Since the beginning of the century, every country in South America, except Colombia, has chosen a socialist as president at some point. Socialists have taken power in the largest economy in South America (Brazil), in the poorest (Bolivia) and in the most capitalist country (Chile), the article reads. Then, Toro says: Mysteriously, the supposedly automatic link between socialism and the zombie apocalypse did not occur in those countries. Not content with just not collapsing, several of these countries have prospered.
First, Toro mentions Peru and the corrupt government, linked to the Lava Jato case, of Ollanta Humala. He also talks about Evo Morales, the communist-chauvinist, with authoritarian pretensions, who has been leading Bolivia since 2006. Toro credits both with securing important social achievements along the way.
He talks about socialism in Argentina, in Brazil, in Ecuador and mentions corruption; but then, in an act of pettiness, he says: I would never have voted for some of those people. But when you try to evaluate their results, the word that comes to mind is mixed: successes in some areas, failures in others and no cataclysms in society.
However, the most disturbing phrase appears after so much condescension with respect to those who represent the capitulation of a region before the Castroite will. Toro, to try to hold his flimsy column together, argues: Do you not believe me? Ask the hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan refugees who are now in Brazil, Ecuador, or Argentina looking for a better future.
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https://panampost.com/orlando-avendano/2018/08/23/to-the-washington-post-venezuela-is-in-fact-an-example-of-the-failure-of-socialism/
Francisco Toro is a Venezuela ex-pat journalist who lives safely in the United States, who frequently caterwauls about the failures of Chavismo (correctly so!) while insisting that the problem isn't Chavismo itself, but how it is being implemented incorrectly, and who is implementing it. Where has this argument been hear ad nauseum? "Marxism works, it just hasn't been tried yet!"
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To the Washington Post: Venezuela Is, in Fact, An Example of the Failure of Socialism (Original Post)
GatoGordo
Aug 2018
OP
Problem is that Chavez & Maduro went command-economy and not capitalist-socialism.
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2018
#4
That socialism failed in Venezuela doesn't mean Scandinavian or Canadian socialism is a failure. .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2018
#3
We need to acknowledge the role the US has played in damaging Venezuela's economy and political
alwaysinasnit
Aug 2018
#6
Do you respect the opinions of Noam Chomsky? If you do, please read the article linked to below.
alwaysinasnit
Aug 2018
#8
msongs
(67,441 posts)1. one suspects the prob is money grubbing family politicians masquerading
as being the will of the people, not any form of real socialism. maduro et al are really just what used to be called tin horn dictators
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)4. Problem is that Chavez & Maduro went command-economy and not capitalist-socialism.
Plus huge hubris. Chavez paid of portions of Argentina's debt, to the detriment of Venezuela's debt situation, for example.
Chickensoup
(650 posts)2. Socialism has nothing to do with Venezuela .
The truth is a lot worst than the truth.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)3. That socialism failed in Venezuela doesn't mean Scandinavian or Canadian socialism is a failure. .nt
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)5. Where do the mobsters fit into the equation?
Some folks seem to think that their nations treasury belongs to them.
Not just Venezuela.
alwaysinasnit
(5,072 posts)6. We need to acknowledge the role the US has played in damaging Venezuela's economy and political
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)7. Don't forget to also blame
the Illuminati, The Bilderberg Group, Alvaro Uribe and assorted other conspiracy machinations while you're at it.
alwaysinasnit
(5,072 posts)8. Do you respect the opinions of Noam Chomsky? If you do, please read the article linked to below.
GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)9. Noam is a water carrier for Chavismo
Last edited Sun Aug 26, 2018, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)
He believes that there have been "a few missteps", but that Chavismo is blameless for the epic disaster that is Venezuela.
Addendum: While Noam is still the waterboy for Socialism, he isn't too huck on tooting there horn for Chavismo 12 years after his puff piece in VenezuelaAnalysis.