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MRubio

(285 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:35 PM Mar 2019

USAF begins surveillance flights off Venezuela

US surveillance aircraft have been detected operating off the coast of Venezuela by open-source tracking of their transponder signals.

Boeing RC-135 Rivet Joint signals intelligence (SIGINT) aircraft of the US Air Force (USAF) have been tracked patrolling off Venezuela on at least five occasions since 23 February, while a Lockheed Martin EP-3E Aries II SIGINT platform was identified on 8 March. These aircraft had their ADS-B and other transponders transmitting during their missions, which took place in the southern part of the Caribbean off the northern coast of Venezuela.

At least one of the RC-135s appeared to be supported by a USAF Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker air-to-air refuelling aircraft, according to the tracking data.

https://www.janes.com/article/87205/usaf-begins-surveillance-flights-off-venezuela

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USAF begins surveillance flights off Venezuela (Original Post) MRubio Mar 2019 OP
I'd bet money that we're sending troops in CanonRay Mar 2019 #1
I'd take that bet GatoGordo Mar 2019 #2
They are clearing out the embassy...... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #3
Actually, they have no running water and electricity. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #6
Plese remember that CanonRay Mar 2019 #4
There is nothing in Venezuela for Uncle Sam GatoGordo Mar 2019 #7
Really. Why not tell it to John Bolton? He'd be all ears. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #8
As if everyone doesn't actually know what's going on. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #9
I predict no military intervention, that's to say, boots on the ground in Venezuela.... MRubio Mar 2019 #5
 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
2. I'd take that bet
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:43 PM
Mar 2019

The Asshole-in-Charge knows that a military intervention is just what Maduro wants, and would play into his hand. Fortunately for the world as a whole, Trump has surrounded himself with people a lot smarter than himself.

Maduro is doing all the hard work for Uncle Sam.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
3. They are clearing out the embassy......
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:47 PM
Mar 2019

There is only one reason to remove all personnel, including the Marine guard, and it isn't instability......

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
6. Actually, they have no running water and electricity.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:55 PM
Mar 2019

Maduro has vowed to cut off the embassy in the past. I doubt he will reconnect both once the blackout ends.

Desperate times

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
4. Plese remember that
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:52 PM
Mar 2019

A) Trump doesn't have a fucking clue whan he's doing, so he's likely to play right into anybody's hands. See Kim-jong-Il, and
B) Trump never listens to anyone, and there are only sycophants around him now. See Pompeo, Mike

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
7. There is nothing in Venezuela for Uncle Sam
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 12:02 AM
Mar 2019

1. The oil industry is in shambles. It is predicted that it would take $60 billion just to get the PdVSA infrastructure back up to 1999 standards
2. The oil in Venezuela (Faja del Orinoco) is thick and sulfurous. The lift costs are high, it needs diluants to pump it and it is expensive to refine. There is a lot of it, but the US has plenty of shitty oil in the Bakken.
3. After Chavismo, nobody wants to throw their money down the rat-hole should the next despot come around. Venezuela already owes Conoco Phillips $8 billion.

There will be no US military intervention.

Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts)
8. Really. Why not tell it to John Bolton? He'd be all ears.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 03:06 AM
Mar 2019

Letter: Financial interest drives U.S. policy on Venezuela
To the editor Updated 11:07 pm EDT, Monday, March 11, 2019

. . .

While many anti-Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro pundits speak loftily of "bringing democracy" to Venezuela by removing him, Bolton told Fox Business in an interview, "It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."]]Unlike the run-up to our invasion of Iraq under the President George W. Bush administration where we were "bringing democracy" to the Middle East or going after phantom weapons of mass destruction, Bolton has cut to the chase: We want to control Venezuela's oil production. No more fairy tales of freedom and democracy; it is all about making money for American oil companies.

Whether one sees Maduro as a ruthless dictator or a duly elected president, the fact remains that the Trump administration has made a concerted effort to interfere in the internal politics of another sovereign nation primarily for the financial gain of American corporations.

. . .

https://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Financial-interest-drives-U-S-policy-on-Venezuela-13680187.php

~ ~ ~

To help Venezuela, the U.S. must use diplomacy, not a military coup
By leslie - March 13, 2019


Bolton admitted that he was “in conversation with major American [oil] companies now,” stating that “it would make a difference if we could have American companies produce the oil in Venezuela. We both have a lot at stake here.”

Now Venezuela has been hit with a power blackout, taking out electricity, phone service and internet. In Forbes Magazine, an expert details how easily this could be done by the U.S. in a cyber first-strike.

. . .

https://chicagocrusader.com/to-help-venezuela-the-u-s-must-use-diplomacy-not-a-military-coup/


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Bullying other countries out of buying Venezuelan oil:

India discusses Venezuelan oil purchases with U.S.
Sriram Lakshman WASHINGTON DC , MARCH 12, 2019 08:51 IST
UPDATED: MARCH 12, 2019 14:12 IS

Recently, U.S. National Security Advisor John Bolton had warned India and other countries against purchasing oil from Venezuela

Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale on Monday discussed the situation in Venezuela and Venezuelan oil purchases with U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo during their meeting on Monday, Mr. Pompeo told the press at a briefing.

Asked if there was a discussion on India’s oil purchases Mr Pompeo said, “Yeah, so we’re asking the same thing of India as we are of every country: Do not be the economic lifeline for the Maduro regime.”

. . .

yadda yadda yadda

More:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-discusses-venezuelan-oil-purchases-with-us/article26505638.ece

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Encourage negotiation, not intervention in Venezuela
Published: 3/13/2019 9:42:04 AM
Negotiation, not intervention in Venezuela

Serious discussion is needed now of the dangerous path down which the Trump administration is leading us in Venezuela — that is involving the United States in another blood for oil war.

Are we so gullible that, yet again, in the name of a humanitarian “saving” of the population from “dictatorship,” we buy the claim that the country poses a security risk for the U.S.? We need to understand that our economic sanctions and military interventions do not bring “democracy” and “freedom” but simply a humanitarian disaster.

Trump’s neocons John Bolton and Eliot Abrams (who was jailed for lying to Congress about his role in the Iran-Contra scandal) are now supporting Guaid in order to get control of the oil that Trump wants.

More:
https://www.recorder.com/ltr-greene-Venezuela-23738088

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MARCH 12, 2019 / 12:52 PM / A DAY AGO
Venezuela's Guaido readies to open up oil industry after years of nationalization
Marianna Parraga
6 MIN READ

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Venezuelan congress head Juan Guaido is preparing a groundbreaking reversal of late President Hugo Chavez’s energy industry nationalization, allowing private companies a bigger role in its oilfields and shrinking state-run PDVSA, according to opposition advisers and a draft seen by Reuters.

. . .

“We need to change the current framework ... we need to open up the oil industry to private investment,” said Ricardo Hausmann, Guaido’s delegate to the Inter-American Development Bank. Speaking at an energy conference in Houston, Hausmann said that PDVSA’s role had to be limited due to its operational and financial weakness.

. . .

Under the proposal, which is expected to be released and discussed at Venezuela’s National Assembly in coming days, private firms could choose to run the day-to-day operations of Venezuelan oilfields, a sharp departure from the Chavez era in which foreign companies could only hold minority stakes and were not granted operational control.

U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton, who has urged Maduro to resign, had called for opening the energy industry to foreign operators. “It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela,” he told Fox News in late January.

. . .

More:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-energy-law/venezuelas-guaido-readies-to-open-up-oil-industry-after-years-of-nationalization-idUSKBN1QT2HP

As if everyone doesn't actually know what's going on.

And to think there are people who spend their lives as professional liars, trying to tell everyone the opposite of what we all know to be true.

The icing on the cake is when they blow up and start attacking the humans.

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
9. As if everyone doesn't actually know what's going on.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:05 AM
Mar 2019

I guess you are the only one.

Do you have a source for news in Venezuela?

MRubio

(285 posts)
5. I predict no military intervention, that's to say, boots on the ground in Venezuela....
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:00 PM
Mar 2019

.....there will soon be though a US naval blockade of tankers loaded with Venezuelan oil leaving for Cuba. When that happens, you won't be able to drive a steel spike up Díaz-Canel's ass with a sledge hammer.

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