Rad-Fems who use the term "Manboobz"

[Bonobo]

Is using the term "manboobz" by radical feminists as offensive as men making fun of women for:

-Having facial hair, or
-saggy breasts, or
-cankles, or

etc.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. I think "mansplaining" is a gender-based slur

but where I to tell you why, I would be guilty of

[loli phabay]

2. i guess it depends on the context, i kinda like moobs as i call them :)

[ZenLefty]

3. My man boobs are all muscle, baby!

That's the solemn pride I have after years of strength training and drinking protein shakes.

[Denninmi]

4. People can by hypocrites, nothing new there.

The rub comes when you point it out to them, they tend to not like that.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. I think it is funny and I've heard men use the same phrase.

I have no idea where you got the idea that Manboobs is a radical feminist meme. Oh and mansplaining is in fact exactly what many of us do. We do that. It is a shoe that fits. I've done it. Frequently I just decide that there is no way that woman I've lived with for the last 30 years is going to understand something so I give her the mansplaination for it instead.

Back to Manboobs. Please refer to the Seinfeld Manssier episode. I rather doubt that Larry and Jerry were "rad-fems". Speaking of "rad-fems", can we drop that phrase? It is one degree of separation from feminazi.

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[Bonobo]

6. I never said ONLY woman say it.

Anymore than only MEN say "saggy tits".

But when women use it spitefully in the context of attacking men, it is no different.

As for maninsplaining, if you feel you do it, so be it. But it is a question of the context and the sexism inherent in it that is the issue.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. it is sexist. I ain't perfect.

I find technical discussions with most women massively frustrating. The way men and women verbally communicate is, in my experience, very different, and those differences are exaggerated when discussing anything technical. When I first came across "mansplaining" I knew exactly what behavior that was referring to. You indeed might be the perfect non-sexist man, a man who has never mansplained anything, but did you not also understand immediately what the phrase referred to? I rest my case.

You didn't say only women say it, you attacked the mythical "rad-fems", apparently for their gross hypocrisy. Fine, whatever. I in turn pointed out that they didn't invent the term and it has been used to ridicule men for literally decades.

Can we drop "rad-fem" from our vocabulary? We don't have to be that idiotic.

[opiate69]

9. What's idiotic about using their own self-applied moniker???

http://radfemworldnews.wordpress.com/
http://radicalhub.com/

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Radical feminist is nowhere near femi-Nazi

Sorry. It just isn't.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Again, its a self applied label.

When people reference "twisty", or sheila jeffreys or andrea dworkin or catherine mackinnon or gail dines, they are quoting self described "radfems".

Thats their OWN label.

That said, i dont think "manboobs" is anyone's meme.

[Upton]

16. They even had a conference known as Radfem 2012 scheduled..

which was eventually cancelled due to it's transphobic nature. There was talk about it here at DU..I'm surprised you don't remember..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11396293

[Warren DeMontague]

23. It was moved to a different venue that, presumably, didn't have a problem with the trans bigotry.

Featured Speakers, Sheila "Every time a woman orgasms with a man she is eroticizing her own oppression" Jeffreys along with our old friend Gail Dines.

[4th law of robotics]

24. I think "rad-fem" is a fair description when it's self-applied.

There is a thriving subculture that takes pride in the label.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. There's a prominent radfem blogger is linked in an OP in HoF, and the excerpt praises "radfem hub"

so how the fuck it is misleading or otherwise disingenuous (much less idiotic) to use "radfem" as a label; is beyond me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125510322

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

8. Isn't that some kind of radfem blog

I see it quoted often over there, and I'm sure they don't give two craps or give much thought to it.

[MadrasT]

12. ???

I have never heard a radical feminist use that term to describe male pectoral tissue. Do they?

I have only heard it used in more mainstream ways (like on Seinfeld, or maybe on the Simpsons or something like that, and by random comedians).

I am vaguely aware that there is a website by that name.

Not crazy about the term, I think it's stupid and childish and I wouldn't use it (for a website, or to describe male pectoral tissue).

[Bonobo]

13. Yes, there is a website by that name.

And the website claims its purpose is to fight misogyny.

That would be like a men's advocacy website calling itself "Saggytits.com"

I appreciate you recognizing that the term coming from women as an attack can be as hurtful as any of the examples I compared it to.

[redqueen]

14. The blog is run by David Futrelle.

He's not a "rad-fem", he's a guy who likes to mock misogyny. I'm pretty sure he means boobz as in idiots, not extra fat where breasts would be.

Puzzling that you chose to fixate on rad-fems as the source of the term in this OP (LOL, not really). If you went to the site, his name is right there, prominently featured on the front page.

[Bonobo]

17. I guess I shouldn't have assumed it was run by a woman.

Also the double entendre honestly never occurred to me.

I think I should probably apologize for this OP as it seems I made some very wrong assumptions.

[redqueen]

18. No, there's definitely no need to apologize.

And it's understandable that rad fems would get the blame. They've only been badmouthed and portrayed as the female version of fringe MRAs on this site for months now.

It's a very good blog. He does a great job of shining a light on the cockroaches.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

22. Interesting

Are you saying there are absolutely no radical feminist groups that wander off into the type of hateful and nonsensical rhetoric that some MRA groups do? Or what should they be called other than radfems?

To get indignant that posters put up questionable quotes and essays from people you apparently have some shred of respect for crosses into the Sarah Palin territory of "The media is biased for quoting me verbatim".

[JTFrog]

19. Thank you. n/t

[MadrasT]

20. That's how I took it.

I'm pretty sure he means boobz as in idiots

It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.

[redqueen]

21. It would if he featured pictures of overweight men, and was mocking them for their appearance.

But yeah, otherwise, no it doesn't make any sense at all.

[MrSlayer]

25. I guess it depends on how sensitive one is.

None of that bothers me so, no.

Your mileage may vary.