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Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:46 PM Mar 2013

Shadow Economy Shows Joblessness Less Than Meets U.S. Eye

... America’s shadow economy includes activities that are actually illicit -- prostitution and drug dealing -- and more benign jobs like working construction for a day for cash, or even the $2 a kid that Kalmes gets for walking neighborhood children to the bus. Added together, economists estimate $2 trillion could be involved.

Such informal arrangements, while providing a safety net of last resort for workers like Kalmes, also may provide answers to puzzling discrepancies in economic data. One example: Explaining why retail sales have outpaced gains in reported income for almost four years, said Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group LLC in Princeton, New Jersey.
Retail Sales

Retail sales have grown at an annual rate of 3.5 percent or more since September 2010, even as taxes have increased and jobless benefit eligibility has shrunk to 73 weeks or less from 99 weeks in some states. Unemployment (USURTOT) is 7.7 percent, up from 4.4 percent in 2007, and income rose just 2.2 percent in the 12 months through January.

“There could very well be a much-larger than expected underground economy at work here that is making a contribution,” Baumohl said...

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-20/shadow-economy-shows-joblessness-less-than-meets-u-s-eye.html

One for the Quelle Surprise thread. Just like in, say, Spain...

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Shadow Economy Shows Joblessness Less Than Meets U.S. Eye (Original Post) Ghost Dog Mar 2013 OP
12% of the economy could be underground. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #1
This is counter to the argument that... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #2
Looks like the government's rate Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #3
Not quite jtuck004 Mar 2013 #5
It's really a revolution of sorts. People have been pushed into a bad economy snappyturtle Mar 2013 #4
Ah, the great "little people - big company" - divide. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #6
Its an extremely tough way to make a living and it leads to a hard scrabble and short life. Sam1 Apr 2013 #7

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
2. This is counter to the argument that...
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:52 PM
Mar 2013

...the unemployment rate is worse than we hear. The reasoning behind that, of course, is that the government's rate only shows those who are actively looking for work and not those who would like a job but have given up looking.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
3. Looks like the government's rate
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:57 PM
Mar 2013

only shows those who are actively looking for work and are willing to declare and pay taxes on that work.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. Not quite
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:38 PM
Mar 2013

12,332,000 - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm
7,973,000 - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t08.htm
6,781,000 - http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea38.htm
27,086,000 - Total unemployed people who want a job

That 6.7 million number on the third line is from the table "Persons not in the labor force..."

There were only 3,600,000 million job openings the last day in December, according to the JOLTS survey, http://www.bls.gov/jlt/

So maybe they found it fruitless to look.

(I think those were from the February report, since revised, but good enough for an example.)


snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
4. It's really a revolution of sorts. People have been pushed into a bad economy
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:06 PM
Mar 2013

with no one in the gov't helping much, or for that long, and American ingenuity wins out! At least people are spending the money how they need to vs. the gov't spending our tax dollars on such "winners" as war.

Interesting the IRS can calculate how much the little people have avoided in tax payments but big companies....not so much.

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