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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,157 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:29 PM Oct 2022

In one tiny German town, nobody worries about energy bills

FELDHEIM, Germany (AP) — Europeans are opening their energy bills with trepidation these days, bracing for hefty price hikes as utility companies pass on the surging cost of natural gas, oil and electricity tied to Russia’s war in Ukraine. Many are trying to conserve by turning down the heat and shutting off lights this winter.

Not so the people of Feldheim, population 130.

Located about an hour and a half south of Berlin, this modest but well-kept village has been energy self-sufficient for more than a decade.

A bold experiment launched in the mid-1990s saw Feldheim erect a handful of wind turbines to provide electricity to the village. Then it built a local grid, solar panels, battery storage and more turbines. A biogas plant put up to keep piglets warm was expanded, providing extra income to the farmers’ cooperative, which pumps hot water through a village-wide central heating system. A hydrogen production facility is also under construction.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-germany-berlin-004aa36a74b44435c3a29cac0fc15b67

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In one tiny German town, nobody worries about energy bills (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2022 OP
The VERY Thing Eliot Rosewater Oct 2022 #1
We could certainly do that here. Repubs just obstruct and... brush Oct 2022 #2
My dream of the future. Small, decentralized, renewable energy projects meeting local needs. Midnight Writer Oct 2022 #3
This... nt AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2022 #4
But how do the oligarchs become billionaires with this plan? Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #7
The usual way. Inheritance. Midnight Writer Oct 2022 #8
Definitely doable, as this town demonstrates. mountain grammy Oct 2022 #9
Now THATS the way you do it. nt mitch96 Oct 2022 #5
That sounds like Sooooooooocialism. Why can't the buy power from the man like everyone else? Chainfire Oct 2022 #6
This town burns coal when the wind isn't blowing, just like everyone else in Germany. hunter Oct 2022 #10
Not yet Finishline42 Oct 2022 #11

brush

(53,833 posts)
2. We could certainly do that here. Repubs just obstruct and...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:36 PM
Oct 2022

and retard development...they want to keep getting campaign fund from their fossil fuel clients.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
10. This town burns coal when the wind isn't blowing, just like everyone else in Germany.
Sun Oct 2, 2022, 11:48 AM
Oct 2022

Or worse. Sometimes they burn food.

Building on the wind farm's success, the farming cooperative has diversified its business. In the face of falling crop prices and rising energy costs, they decided to build a biogas plant. That facility now turns maize and cereal silage - plus a mixture of pig and cow manure - into methane, which in turn heats and powers Feldheim's homes.

https://www.dw.com/en/feldheim-germanys-renewable-village/a-18466800


Feldheim's non-reliance on fossil fuels is largely an accounting trick. The energy their wind turbines put into the grid is considered equivalent to that they take out of it, which is not the case. Projects like this may reduce fossil fuel use to some extent but not enough to save the world.

But that's not why I call out these sorts of hopium.

( Hopium -- the metaphorical substance that causes people to believe in a false hope. )

For all such projects I ask what's the environmental footprint per person? What's the capital cost per person? Than I multiply that by 8 billion.

People who are wealthy generally have huge environmental footprints. Some of them feel guilty about it and do all sorts of strange things, often with government subsidy, to assuage their guilty feelings, while failing to reduce their environmental footprint in any significant way.

The answer to our environmental crisis can't be found in buying more stuff, especially if it's stuff made with copper, lithium, and rare earth magnets.

Sadly, the earth can't support a Tesla car, a PowerWall, Wind Turbines, and Solar Panels for every human. There's too many of us.

The answer isn't electric cars, the answer is fewer cars overall. Etc..

It's clear that the political and economic empowerment of women and rising standards of living reduce birth rates. How do we accomplish that?

A reliable electric supply and a safe water supply with indoor plumbing are a large part of that equation. These systems can be made from abundant materials -- steel, aluminum, concrete, and plastic -- materials abundant enough to raise living standards everywhere, for every human on earth.

Solar and wind power are not going to magically replace fossil fuels. The only way to quit fossil fuels is to quit fossil fuels. Feldheim hasn't done that and never will.

Germany sought to replace its coal and nuclear power plants with a hybrid gas-wind-solar system. They failed.

The fossil fuel industry knows that solar and wind power will only prolong our dependence on fossil fuels, especially natural gas. In the long run solar and wind power will do nothing to reduce the overall amount of greenhouse gasses dumped into the atmosphere.

These articles are greenwash, which is why you see articles like this everywhere, even in publications that enthusiastically promote fossil fuel industry propaganda.

Finishline42

(1,091 posts)
11. Not yet
Mon Oct 3, 2022, 07:30 AM
Oct 2022
Germany sought to replace its coal and nuclear power plants with a hybrid gas-wind-solar system. They failed.

They certainly didn't take into account a possible Russian invasion when they shut down a bunch of nuclear plants without first having enough renewables online to replace Russian gas and oil.

They haven't failed because it's a work in progress.

Germany approved plans for the government's special “climate and transformation fund” to invest 177.5 billion euros ($180 billion) over the next four years to help accelerate the shift to an economy that's cleaner and less dependent on Russia for energy supplies.
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