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Cold Weather is Zapping Electric Pickup Truck Range
ALTERNATIVE POWER | BATTERY ELECTRIC
Cold Weather is Zapping Electric Pickup Truck Range
Tom Quimby
Dec 21, 2022
{snip picture, "Ford F-150 Lightning Alaska in snow with trees and the sun in the background"}
If you told a fleet manager that their trucks are going to lose 20% of their fuel just sitting in cold weather, they’d probably saw you cleanly in half with a laser beam stare. ... If you told a driver that they would need to forego using the cabin heater inside their freezing electric truck and instead warm up with a heated steering wheel and seat, they may start looking for another job.
Laser beam stares and concerned drivers aside, the reality is that range loss in cold weather is stirring up serious concerns among EV users. ... First up is the unavoidable and unfortunate reality of range depletion in an EV’s powertrain battery when subjected to cold weather. Norway, which has some very frigid winters along with the highest adoption rate of EVs among all nations, has plenty of data showing the impact of cold weather on EV batteries.
While sitting unplugged out in the cold an EV can lose up to 20% of its range, according to the Norwegian Automobile Federation. ... In a statement regarding cold weather impact on its EVs, Ford writes in part that low temperatures can result in "a significant reduction in range, which is normal." (See their full statement at the end of this article). ... The North American Council for Freight Efficiency has been engaged in cold weather commercial EV testing that runs the range from electric cargo vans to electric Class 8 regional haulers. ... "We’ve not published any data yet," NACFE executive director Mike Roeth told CCJ. "Directionally you lose 10% range for every 10 degrees under 30 degrees Fahrenheit."
The AAA Automotive Research Center in Southern California found that EV range "dropped 57 percent...when the temperature was held steady at 20°F." ... Recurrentauto.com, a site dedicated to all things EV, reports that “some EVs can lose up to 35% of their range in freezing conditions, but each model performs differently…” Reporter Jon Witt refers readers to a chart showing cold weather impact on several different electric cars.
Estimated winter ranges are based on on-board telematics and reflect the OEMs proprietary range calculations and software. Verified winter ranges are based on original Recurrent research using a combination of on-board devices and real-time usage data providing more than 35,000 datapoints.
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Cold Weather is Zapping Electric Pickup Truck Range
Tom Quimby
Dec 21, 2022
{snip picture, "Ford F-150 Lightning Alaska in snow with trees and the sun in the background"}
If you told a fleet manager that their trucks are going to lose 20% of their fuel just sitting in cold weather, they’d probably saw you cleanly in half with a laser beam stare. ... If you told a driver that they would need to forego using the cabin heater inside their freezing electric truck and instead warm up with a heated steering wheel and seat, they may start looking for another job.
Laser beam stares and concerned drivers aside, the reality is that range loss in cold weather is stirring up serious concerns among EV users. ... First up is the unavoidable and unfortunate reality of range depletion in an EV’s powertrain battery when subjected to cold weather. Norway, which has some very frigid winters along with the highest adoption rate of EVs among all nations, has plenty of data showing the impact of cold weather on EV batteries.
While sitting unplugged out in the cold an EV can lose up to 20% of its range, according to the Norwegian Automobile Federation. ... In a statement regarding cold weather impact on its EVs, Ford writes in part that low temperatures can result in "a significant reduction in range, which is normal." (See their full statement at the end of this article). ... The North American Council for Freight Efficiency has been engaged in cold weather commercial EV testing that runs the range from electric cargo vans to electric Class 8 regional haulers. ... "We’ve not published any data yet," NACFE executive director Mike Roeth told CCJ. "Directionally you lose 10% range for every 10 degrees under 30 degrees Fahrenheit."
The AAA Automotive Research Center in Southern California found that EV range "dropped 57 percent...when the temperature was held steady at 20°F." ... Recurrentauto.com, a site dedicated to all things EV, reports that “some EVs can lose up to 35% of their range in freezing conditions, but each model performs differently…” Reporter Jon Witt refers readers to a chart showing cold weather impact on several different electric cars.
Estimated winter ranges are based on on-board telematics and reflect the OEMs proprietary range calculations and software. Verified winter ranges are based on original Recurrent research using a combination of on-board devices and real-time usage data providing more than 35,000 datapoints.
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Hydrogen fuel cells are good to go at -20C
H2 FC's produce heat as well as electricity
Solaris: First hydrogen bus in Lublin, Poland. Hydrogen-powered buses stand out due to their short refuelling time and their very long range, even in unfavourable weather conditions.
Hydrogen-powered buses stand out due to their short refuelling time and their very long range, even in unfavourable weather conditions. Hydrogen is also a clean energy source. The sole by-products of the chemical reaction that takes place in the hydrogen fuel cell are heat and steam...>
https://www.solarisbus.com/en/press/first-hydrogen-bus-in-lublin-1841
Hydrogen-powered buses stand out due to their short refuelling time and their very long range, even in unfavourable weather conditions. Hydrogen is also a clean energy source. The sole by-products of the chemical reaction that takes place in the hydrogen fuel cell are heat and steam...>
https://www.solarisbus.com/en/press/first-hydrogen-bus-in-lublin-1841
New York: Electric buses are all the buzz. But RTS thinks hydrogen might be better for Rochester winters. The public transit authority has found that Rochester’s climate...limit the range an electric bus can travel on a single charge. RTS has operated 10 electric buses through the past two winters...>
https://www.wxxinews.org/local-news/2022-07-05/electric-buses-are-all-the-buzz-but-rts-thinks-hydrogen-might-be-better-for-rochester-winters
https://www.wxxinews.org/local-news/2022-07-05/electric-buses-are-all-the-buzz-but-rts-thinks-hydrogen-might-be-better-for-rochester-winters
Bloomberg: Hydrogen Cars and Buses Seize the Spotlight at Beijing’s Winter Olympic Games
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-14/hydrogen-cars-and-buses-seize-the-spotlight-at-beijing-s-winter-olympic-games
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-14/hydrogen-cars-and-buses-seize-the-spotlight-at-beijing-s-winter-olympic-games
Clearly better than batteries in the cold
Not even debatable
Tesla Owner Says He Was Left Stranded On Christmas Eve After Car Wouldn’t Charge In The Cold
One owner's Model S sedan wouldn't charge as temps dropped below 20 degrees
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/12/tesla-owner-says-he-was-left-stranded-on-christmas-eve-after-car-wouldnt-charge-in-the-cold/
The Bozo that started the latest assault against hydrogen fuel cells ("Fool Cells" ) has publicly made a fool of himself!
