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Related: About this forumSinopec Bags New Hydrogen Projects
EnergyIntel.com | Thu, Dec 29, 2022
...The larger of the two projects approved last week is tagged at 20.5 billion yuan ($2.9 billion) to be sited in Ulanqab in central Inner Mongolia and targets annual green hydrogen production of 100,000 tons, according to a statement last week from the Inner Mongolia energy bureau.
The Ulanqab project is to be integrated with a wind farm of 1.7 gigawatts (GW) and a solar farm of 804 megawatts (MW) for supplying the renewable electricity required for manufacturing green hydrogen.
The green hydrogen to be produced would be transported via a long-distance pipeline to Sinopecs Beijing Yanshan petrochemical complex, which already houses a hydrogen purification facility that supplied the Beijing Winter Olympics.
Construction on the Ulanqab project is slated to start construction in December 2023, with completion scheduled for June 2027...
https://www.energyintel.com/00000185-5c92-d599-a1ef-5dfadd690000
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World's first hydrogen-energy urban train with independent IPR rolls off assembly line in SW Chinas Chengdu
Global Times | Dec 29, 2022
The world's first hydrogen-energy urban train with independent intellectual property rights jointly developed by CRRC Changchun Railway Co and Chengdu Rail Transit officially rolled off the assembly line in Chengdu, Southwest China's Sichuan Province, on Wednesday.
The train adopted the key core technology of the Fuxing bullet train, with a maximum speed of 160 kilometers per hour.
The train has a built-in "hydrogen power" system, which provides a strong and durable power source that can achieve a long battery life of 600 kilometers, according to Chengdu Daily...
...China has the ambitious plan to promote the development of the hydrogen-energy industry. By 2025, the country will have about 50,000 hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles and its annual hydrogen production from renewable energy will reach 100,000 to 200,000 tons, according to the plan jointly released by the National Development and Reform Commission, and the National Energy Administration (NEA) in March of this year... more
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202212/1282909.shtml
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Botany
(70,510 posts)... hydrogen."
This is really great news. R you listening Joe Manchin?
Caribbeans
(775 posts)How serious is it?
Life and death serious.
Exorbitant privilege
NNadir
(33,523 posts)...fossil fuels at a thermodynamic and environmental cost.
From time to time I find it necessary to address this pernicious advertising for an environmental, safety, and economic disaster, hydrogen with a dose of reality, although it never stops the flow of these nonsensical cartoons:
The caption:
Progress on Catalyst Development for the Steam Reforming of Biomass and Waste Plastics Pyrolysis Volatiles: A Review Laura Santamaria, Gartzen Lopez, Enara Fernandez, Maria Cortazar, Aitor Arregi, Martin Olazar, and Javier Bilbao, Energy & Fuels 2021 35 (21), 17051-17084]
I referred to this graphic, and reproduced it, discussing a paper in the journal I discussed above here: The current sources and uses of hydrogen.
Eventually, people outgrow fantasies like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the divine rights of kings, and reactionary nonsense that returning to the 18th century and depending on the weather for energy is sustainable, but reality never goes away.
It may take as long for the hydrogen garbage fantasy to go away as it did for the divine right of kings, but if it does, it's going to have a high environmental and economic cost. We ignore the laws of thermodynamics at our peril.
Happy New Year. The hydrogen fantasy will not get much further in 2023 than it did in 1980, when Volume 1, Issue 1 of the International Journal of Hydrogen Energy first appeared in 1976.
The money squandered on this junk fantasy should break the heart of any knowledgeable person who cares about the environment.
Happy New Year!
mitch96
(13,907 posts)NickB79
(19,246 posts)Because when I think "places to site water-intensive industry", the first place that comes to mind is Inner Mongolia.
I see the annual precipitation for Ulanqab is 13.4" per year, barely above desert conditions.
Guess they'll just have to drain a few pesky fossil aquifers. Good thing those will never run out, have no impact on the local population, and will have zero impact on the environment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulanqab