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Finishline42

(1,161 posts)
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 08:09 AM Mar 2023

New law in France that requires Solar...

Certainly something that should be required here

The French government has passed a law which will require all car parks with more than 80 spaces to install solar canopies over at least half the area they cover. The move is expected to generate around 11 gigawatts of energy.


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BComplex

(9,770 posts)
1. FKNG GREAT IDEA!! Here in the south, and definitely in the southwest, you get in a hot car
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 08:35 AM
Mar 2023

and burn the snot out of your body! These panels would provide shade for a parked car, and would, at the same time, cut down on global warming.

win win win win win win win!!!

NNadir

(37,337 posts)
2. Ah, a law to promote the accumulation of electronic waste.
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 08:39 AM
Mar 2023

Wonderful.

The French nuclear Industry, which might have sustained more of Europe after the consequences of Germany's funding of Vladmir Putin showed up in a brutal war
suffered poor maintenance when the French public embraced the German so called "renewable energy" Koolaid.

Solar energy makes electricity more expensive for the entire European grid system; does nothing to address climate change; and is mass intensive. It is both environmentally and economically destructive and unsustainable.

The sooner Europe abandons wasteful enterprises such as this law represents, the better for humanity.

NNadir

(37,337 posts)
4. That has nothing at all to do with the fact that solar cells also generate electronic waste.
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 09:46 AM
Mar 2023

When the Germans were sending Putin money for his dangerous natural gas, the fact that it generated less of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide than the coal they're burning now did not render the carbon dioxide waste from the combustion of dangerous natural gas nonexistent.

"Less dirty" is not synonymous with "clean."

I note that flat screen TVs do not require redundant waste generating crap like all the batteries antinukes like to promote to put bandaids on the outcome of their schemes, the outcome in question being the acceleration of climate change. They do not require intense land use (or to put more bluntly abuse) nor inverters and wiring to connect all this shit to an overtaxed and increasingly unreliable grid. They do compete for mining resources, but while this may come as a surprise to the bourgeoisie who obliviously promote this disaster, a flat screen TV is not essential to a decent standard of living. Access to affordable and sustainable energy for everyone, rich and poor alike, is.

Finishline42

(1,161 posts)
5. Please refer to the OP
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 11:05 AM
Mar 2023
They do not require intense land use - NNadir

This is about land already in use and providing shade and even protection from the elements.

They would even produce electricity when in times of drought the French nuclear fleet is having to reduce operations due to low water levels.

NNadir

(37,337 posts)
7. Really? No kidding? Solar energy is reliable and nuclear isn't?
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 09:19 PM
Mar 2023

There's something sort of, um...um...um...faintly Republican about this claim, since there is very clear data on the reliability of all this trillions of dollars worth of solar and wind junk.

For instance, let's look at that coal burning shithole Germany, "renewable energy" nirvana and see how the solar industry is doing this evening.



Electricity Map Germany (Accessed 03/02/23 2:30 Berlin Time, 03/01/23 8:30 EST (US)).

Let's see, in percent talk, the solar behemoth in Germany, all 64.3 GW of installed capacity is producing 0 watts of power, 0%, in the "percent talk" that antinukes use all the time, of the rated capacity.

Antinukes seem to believe that I give a shit about their endless soothsaying, that they managed to scam a law through that someday French parking lots will be covered by solar junk that will need replacement every 25 years.

As for the rivers drying up, some of us - we're called "environmentalists" - find it tragic that rivers are drying up because we squandered trillions of dollars on solar and wind to help save the coal industry in places like Germany by shutting perfectly operable nuclear plants in service to fear and ignorance.

Well the fear and ignorance squad has certainly won, haven't they?

How about a victory lap?

February 28: Unavailable
February 27: 421.62 ppm
February 26: 421.23 ppm
February 25: 420.27 ppm
February 24: 419.99 ppm
Last Updated: March 1, 2023

Recent Daily Average Mauna Loa CO2

Let's talk about arsonists complaining about forest fires...

The Electricity Map also gives yearly data. Here it is as of this evening:



The solar industry in Germany produced over the last 12 months, an average continuous power of 1.15 GW using a capacity rated at 64.7 GW.

As I noted elsewhere, the Brown's Ferry 2 reactor, in contrast to solar junk in Europe, operated at 99.5% capacity utilization over a period of almost two years: Browns Ferry 2 Nuclear Reactor, Set a Record for Reliable Operation With 3D Printed Parts. It's a best for Brown's Ferry; other reactors have done as well or better.


Of course, anti-nukes are free to cheer for the possible destruction of the Tennessee River so they can impact that performance, given their arsonist complaining about forest fires hypocrisy.

I understand that anti-nukes can't do math which is why they are so blissfully unaware of the contents of science books, so let me put 1.15 GW out of 64.7 GW (peak) capacity in "percent talk," using the stupid little language they use so prolifically while cheering for climate change, the destruction of French Rivers, whatever else goes on in their tortured little imaginations. It works out to 1.78% capacity utilization.

The last three nuclear plants not destroyed by fear and ignorance in anti-nuke nirvana, the coal burning hellhole in Germany, in three small buildings, 2.33 GW of average continuous power over the last 12 months, more than all the solar junk distributed all over Germany.

At one point, before the Gazprom executive Gerhard Schroeder, Putin's pal who used to be Chancellor of Germany, announced the "nuclear phase out," Germany had 22,985 GWe of nuclear power.

Despite what barely literate anti-nukes say about rivers they helped destroy by caring more about the fear someone might die from radiation releases at Fukushima than they do about the destruction of the planetary atmosphere, worldwide, the capacity utilization of properly maintained nuclear plants is typically on the order of 90%. Thus the average continuous power would have been around 20,000 GW had they not be destroyed by anti-intellectual vandalism.

Over the last 12 months, the average continuous power of the coal plants in Germany, running flat out, killing people with the waste they directly inject into the atmosphere, was 18.7 GW.

If one gave a shit, or was remotely educated, one could do the math and figure out how much coal they would have burned were it not for the (literally) pyrrhic victory of anti-nukism, but again, anti-nukes are very, very, very, very bad at Math.

Excuse me if I find the happy dance over the destruction of the world's riverine systems, the glaciers on which billions of people depend for their water supplies, people dying from extreme heat, while Neroist fiddlers sing lullabies to French car parks as the world burns, to be disgusting.

I say I care about humanity. I say I value it over cute horse shit about some day in some fantasy future where there are mountains of batteries to rival the Alps, or alternatively, to call up another bit of sheer stupidity, billions of cars running on hydrogen, any of the tiresome stupid shit that's been flying around the last 50 years while things get worse and worse.

As for the car parks, soothsaying about French solar car parks is just that, soothsaying. It's all the fucking anti-nuke community has ever offered the world, other than the money hole that sucks resources away from doing useful and sustainable things, soothsaying.

There are pictures all over the internet of vast tracks of land covered by semiconductor based solar cells, vast bits of former wilderness trashed into industrial parks for wind turbines. To my personal disgust there are actually people with their heads so far up their asses as to worship these pictures of industrial parks. It makes me want to weep personally, but that's just me.

Have a wonderful day tomorrow.

hippywife

(22,777 posts)
6. Can you just imagine this...
Wed Mar 1, 2023, 02:03 PM
Mar 2023

with the miles and miles and miles of freeway we have here? We'd never need to burn another drop of oil. These are even over a bike lane created in the median. There are so many good engineering examples in other countries. We're so stupid not to follow their examples rather than keep fighting over it or trying to reinvent the wheel.

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