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XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:17 PM Mar 2013

Man is fallen and will destroy the Earth – but at least we greens made him wait

Are people good? Is humankind basically benign?
In our current belief system, which we might term liberal secular humanism, which has held sway in the West since the Second World War, and which promotes human progress and well-being, only one response is permitted: Yes, of course! Any suggestion that there might be something wrong with people as a whole, with Man as a species, is absolute anathema. But today, two circumstances come together to prompt me to pose the question once more.

The first is the ending, this week, of my 15 years as Environment Editor of The Independent. It has been a privilege beyond measure to work for so long for a wonderful newspaper which has put the environment at the heart of its view of the world. We are proud of all we have done about it, from raising the question, in 2000, of the mysterious disappearance of the house sparrow from London and other major cities – we offered a £5,000 prize for a proper scientific explanation, but the mystery remains – to devoting the whole of the front page, in 2011, to the then hardly recognised threat of neonicotinoid insecticides, now an obsession around the globe.

But there have been what you might call side effects. For if, over the past decade and a half, you have closely observed what is happening to the Earth, week in, week out, you may take a dark view of the future; and I do. The reason is that the Earth is under threat, as it has never been before, from the ever more oppressive scale of the human enterprise: from the activities of a world population which doubled from three to six billion in four short decades, between 1960 and 2000, and which, in the four decades to come, will probably increase by three billion more.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/man-is-fallen-and-will-destroy-the-earth--but-at-least-we-greens-made-him-wait-8554548.html

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Man is fallen and will destroy the Earth – but at least we greens made him wait (Original Post) XemaSab Mar 2013 OP
It's our big brains BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #1
"In our current belief system, which we might term liberal secular humanism..." cprise Mar 2013 #2
We are not fallen, we are not broken, we are not evil. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #3

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
1. It's our big brains
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:08 PM
Mar 2013

That are now malfunctioning. There are many arguments that one can be on the wrong side if with no major consequences. This isn't one of them. I'm glad my time here will be over in not too many years. I don't want to see the breaking point that's coming in this century.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
2. "In our current belief system, which we might term liberal secular humanism..."
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 06:23 PM
Mar 2013

Uh, that is about Europe, then.

Secular humanism was routed here in the states back in the 1980s. Billy Graham used to rail against it frequently and SCOTUS ruled that public institutions cannot promote it (under the weasel pretext that secular humanism is a "religion&quot .

What I think is so terrible about the UK's climate policies is that they've become so enthralled with the US culturally, and that limits their ability to imagine themselves actually in the role of an "energy change".

Any suggestion that there might be something wrong with people as a whole, with Man as a species, is absolute anathema.

Has this person checked out pop culture at all in the last 20 years? Its heavily loaded with misanthrope themes, some of them (like religion and transhumanist sci-fi) eagerly marketed to children.

Humanism isn't about stamping out negative information about ourselves. It is the hope that our better qualities can (at least, on balance) win over our shortcomings.
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
3. We are not fallen, we are not broken, we are not evil.
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:07 PM
Mar 2013

Michael McCarthy says, "People are doing this. Let’s be clear about it. It’s not some natural phenomenon, like an earthquake or a volcanic eruption. It’s the actions of Homo sapiens."

Sorry, Mr. McCarthy, H. sapiens is indeed a force of nature. How could we possibly be otherwise? You may think of us as an innovative, problem-solving, self-organizing, global-scaled hurricane - one whose innovative skills are dedicated to us becoming the biggest, best hurricane we can possibly be.

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