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hatrack

(59,585 posts)
Sun May 26, 2013, 06:19 PM May 2013

Better Place - Pioneering Israeli Electric Car Company - Going Out Of Business

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The company, Better Place, started out as a source of pride and a symbol of Israel's status as a global high-tech power, but it suffered from a local brand of hubris and overreach. On Sunday, it announced plans to liquidate after burning through almost a billion dollars and failing to sell its silent fleet of French-made sedans to a skeptical public. "This is a very sad day for all of us. We stand by the original vision as formulated by Shai Agassi of creating a green alternative that would lessen our dependence on highly polluting transportation technologies," the company said. "Unfortunately, the path to realizing that vision was difficult, complex and littered with obstacles, not all of which we were able to overcome."

It capped a stunning fall from grace for Better Place and its founder Agassi, a former high-tech whiz kid who sought to change the world by building a revolutionary network of battery-swapping stations.

Agassi, 45, believed that in an era of global warming and rising oil prices, environmentally friendly electric cars could be the wave of the future, if only a way could be found to overcome the limited range of their batteries.

Better Place offered an elegant solution. The vast majority of travelers who commute short distances could plug in their cars at home or work each day to keep their batteries recharged. For longer distances, customers could stop at the swapping stations, remove their used battery and replace it with a fully charged one in a matter of minutes.

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/05/26/world/middleeast/ap-ml-israel-electric-car.html?_r=0

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Better Place - Pioneering Israeli Electric Car Company - Going Out Of Business (Original Post) hatrack May 2013 OP
Sad to hear this, it seemed a sound idea for infrastructure. NYC_SKP May 2013 #1
Except for the capital costs of creating the iinfrastructure tinrobot May 2013 #3
Hey, you sound like someone who *has* an electric car wtmusic May 2013 #4
I have car that charges... tinrobot May 2013 #5
Agree. wtmusic May 2013 #6
In Spain formercia May 2013 #2
This electric car technology isn't practical Socialistlemur May 2013 #7
Battery swapping theory goes back at least 45 years FogerRox May 2013 #8
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Sad to hear this, it seemed a sound idea for infrastructure.
Sun May 26, 2013, 06:50 PM
May 2013

The swappable battery scheme made sense to me, two minute changes without leaving your car, right?

tinrobot

(10,899 posts)
3. Except for the capital costs of creating the iinfrastructure
Sun May 26, 2013, 10:02 PM
May 2013

The swapping stations were complex, and the spare batteries were expensive. Ultimately, not a good business model.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
4. Hey, you sound like someone who *has* an electric car
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:34 AM
May 2013

and understands that ultrafast recharging is not the deal-ender that plagues the internal-combustion mindset.

But I'm probably just projecting.

tinrobot

(10,899 posts)
5. I have car that charges...
Mon May 27, 2013, 02:31 AM
May 2013

It doesn't charge as fast as a Tesla, but it still charges fast enough to be my daily driver. As you know, that's all that is needed.

I think Tesla has the right idea on this - bigger batteries and faster charging. I think the sweet spot is a 200-ish mile battery and sub-one hour fast charging. If someone can build an affordable car with those specs, gas cars will become history.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
6. Agree.
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:02 AM
May 2013

Sub-one hour fast charging is already here - at 480V the Leaf will charge to 80% in under 1/2 hour. It's hard on the battery, but along with battery improvements I expect to see parallel fast charging (two or more cables accessing different cells of the battery) being part of the solution.

formercia

(18,479 posts)
2. In Spain
Sun May 26, 2013, 07:18 PM
May 2013

There are charging stations for a fleet of electric Motor Bikes. When you park, you can leave it at the Parking Lot/ Charging Station, plug-in your Bike, so that when you return, it's topped-off and the electricity used is automatically charged you your account.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
7. This electric car technology isn't practical
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:54 AM
May 2013

This was a Rube Goldberg design. And it can't be applied large scale right now because we don't have enough lithium resources.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
8. Battery swapping theory goes back at least 45 years
Mon May 27, 2013, 05:25 PM
May 2013

I meet this old retired "crazzy" engineer type in NJ who claims he patented it in the 1960's.

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