Experts: Japan 'Incapable' of Solo Decommissioning Effort

[unhappycamper]

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/12/15-1



members of International Expert Group (IEG) confer with a Tokyo Electric Power Co. official, center, as they inspect the decommissioning progress near the Unit 1 building at the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant in Okuma, Fukushima prefecture.

Experts: Japan 'Incapable' of Solo Decommissioning Effort
- Common Dreams staff
Published on Sunday, December 15, 2013 by Common Dreams

Japan is "incapable" of safely decommissioning the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant says a panel of experts who are calling for an international effort for the dangerous process, the Associated Press reported Sunday.

Unlike a number of other nations including the U.S., Japan has never undergone a decommissioning process and currently has no experts at the regulatory level even devoted to decommissioning, said Nuclear Regulation Authority spokesman Juntaro Yamada.

The AP story follows a growing call from nuclear watchdog groups and experts, including Harvey Wasserman and veteran U.S. nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen, for a "global takeover" of the decommissioning process, saying: "Neither Tokyo Electric nor the government of Japan can go this alone. There is no excuse for deploying anything less than a coordinated team of the planet’s best scientists and engineers."

Echoing that demand, nuclear engineering professor Akira Tokuhiro, told the AP that "even for the U.S. nuclear industry, such a cleanup and decommissioning would be a great challenge.’’

[Demeter]

1. What was their first clue? In addition

Japan is incapable of safely operating or building nukes, based on actual results...

So maybe, just maybe, they ought to get out of the whole business, ASAP.

[cprise]

2. Yet every third-world country is supposed to adopt nuclear

The hubris here is astounding.

[NNadir]

3. Harvey Wasserman is an expert?

His expertise consists entirely of having avoided the opening of a science book in his long, useless and paranoid life.

Like most anti-nukes, he's an uneducated flake who's chief contribution to humanity has been to demonize the world's largest form of climate change gas free primary energy - the form of energy with the lowest external costs of any form of energy on this planet that produces more than 10 exajoules of energy - with insipid selective attention.

More people have died from air pollution resulting from people running computers to complain - illiterately - about Fukushima than have died from radiation at the event, just as more people have died from collapsing buildings in the earthquake.

It's funny that the useless, self declared "expert" Wasserman doesn't join an organization to ban buildings.

[kristopher]

4. Are you saying that those of us on DU are "uneducated flakes"?

Some clarification is in order.

Most Progressives do not support or promote nuclear power, are you saying that they have no grasp of science, have led useless lives, and are "uneducated flakes"?

[Nihil]

5. Most aren't but you cannot deny that many are.

We both know that there are some parts of DU that have a significant quantity of "uneducated flakes"
who have no grasp of science (or logic, grammar, rhetoric or anything other than the ability to hit
the "Post" button on OPs or replies that so inane & idiotic that the obligatory smiley raises the
content of such posts by several IQ points).

Some examples of this kind have been banned from E/E in the past but they are still active in other
fora/groups across DU.

If you object to NNadir's excessively broad brush then either alert on it or ignore it - please don't
go down the entrapment route in some kind of end of year crusade.

[kristopher]

6. "Entrapment"?

That reflects such a distorted, nuclear-loving, self-serving view of the circumstance that I almost cracked a rib laughing at you.

Science begins with a dedication to finding the true nature of things, and when someone instead dedicates themself instead to the promotion of falsehoods they have forfeited any claim whatsoever to the idea they are in the realm of science.

The most unscientific and factually distorted views on display anywhere on DU, bar none, are those which pretend to embrace "science" while simultaneously running a scam on the truth with deliberate falsehoods and distortions. And it is not a bit co-incidental that it is consistently done in defense of the nuclear industry.

So I ask Nnadir again to at least exhibit the courage of his convictions and stop hiding behind a sliver of ambiguity:
Nnadir, are you saying that those of us on DU are "uneducated flakes"? Some clarification is in order from you on this claim you routinely make. Most Progressives do not support or promote nuclear power, are you saying that they have no grasp of science, have led useless lives, and are "uneducated flakes"?

Original text of Nnadir's post 3

Harvey Wasserman is an expert?

His expertise consists entirely of having avoided the opening of a science book in his long, useless and paranoid life.

Like most anti-nukes, he's an uneducated flake who's chief contribution to humanity has been to demonize the world's largest form of climate change gas free primary energy - the form of energy with the lowest external costs of any form of energy on this planet that produces more than 10 exajoules of energy - with insipid selective attention.

More people have died from air pollution resulting from people running computers to complain - illiterately - about Fukushima than have died from radiation at the event, just as more people have died from collapsing buildings in the earthquake.

It's funny that the useless, self declared "expert" Wasserman doesn't join an organization to ban buildings.

[Nihil]

7. Not my best choice of words I'll admit.

> That reflects such a distorted, nuclear-loving, self-serving view of the circumstance
> that I almost cracked a rib laughing at you.

Better luck next time.


> Science begins with a dedication to finding the true nature of things, and when someone instead
> dedicates themself instead to the promotion of falsehoods they have forfeited any claim whatsoever
> to the idea they are in the realm of science.

That is true.

Now apply that paragraph to some of the laughable "OMG!!! Fukushima is causing
California to glow in the dark!!!" threads and you can see exactly why Nnadir is (correctly)
calling *some* posters "uneducated flakes". His biggest mistake is using too broad a brush.
(Somewhat similar to certain other posters who use "nuclear-loving" as a smear as soon as
anything other than hero-worshipping sycophancy is encountered.)


> The most unscientific and factually distorted views on display anywhere on DU, bar none,
> are those which pretend to embrace "science" while simultaneously running a scam on
> the truth with deliberate falsehoods and distortions.

True.

> And it is not a bit co-incidental that it is consistently done in defense of the nuclear industry.

Not true.

It's not a bit coincidental that it is consistently done on the subject on the nuclear industry
but for whilst you are happy to slam the Nnadir or PamW hyperbolic anger-fests that distract
from the more measured pro-nukes, there is silence for the DarkAngel or RobertEarl inanities
that paint a massive bulls-eye on the anti-nukes.


Anyway, I apologise for "entrapment" as it was not appropriate.
Have a good holiday break and take care of your ribs!

[kristopher]

8. Silence?

You might want to PM them and ask about that.