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Related: About this forumA big win for the people vs the Frackers
The jury returned its 5-1 verdict confirming that Aruba Petroleum intentionally created a private nuisance though its drilling, fracking and production activities at 21 gas wells near the Parrs' Wise County home over a three-year period between 2008-2011.
Plaintiffs attorneys claimed the case is the first fracking verdict in U.S. history.
That makes it "case law" and legal precedent, which will probably end the insurance debate on the matter.
And that might spell the end of frackers ability to insure themselves
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mtasselin
(666 posts)Good job, but if you don't have the money in your bank don't go out and spend it. The battle was won but the fight is far from over, Good Luck because even though it is a small victory it is a victory.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)insurance or the wealth equivalent is relatively low. If something bad happens, they tender the insurance proceeds to the Courts to let the victims fight over the too little money, then they file bankruptcy with no assets b/c they lease all of their equipment from another underfunded defendant owned by the same parent company. The parent company just opens up another company and keep going. That's how our Tort Reform works! This way they still escape paying most of the damage they caused and the victims (workers) are left holding the bag!
Orrex
(63,228 posts)lame54
(35,328 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Scalia is Thomas's brain.
eggplant
(3,914 posts)Standard procedure would have been to make a private non-admission settlement to avoid just this sort of precedent. Aruba's lawyers were caught snoozing.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Ellen Parr? Bob Parr? superheros in texas
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)just thought that thru lol totally makes sense now. always thought they lived in CA or TX.
Craig T. Nelson ... Bob Parr / Mr. Incredible (voice)
demoncrat
(8 posts)and very few water wells have been ruined. The big culprit is the injection wells that gets rid of the frac water and production water.
Using fracking technology has has ended the dependency on foreign oil. The oil companies should be liable for the harm they do but it ain't going to stop.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)Thanks for the big gas propaganda
mybuddy
(28 posts)This is simply a personal injury case, no precedent set here.
Of the thousands of wells fracked every year this was simply a case of an ambulance chaser throwing darts at 9 different companies and 1 of them stuck. The one that made a mistake out of the thousands.
Please use science when it comes to fracking. I recommend a 100 level statistics course to get started.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)You gas guys really need to update your propaganda....
Here's what that jury said: "A six-member Dallas County jury came back at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday and agreed with Robert and Lisa Parr that Aruba Petroleum intentionally created a private nuisance in drilling, fracking and producing 21 gas wells near their Wise County home over a three-year period from 2008-2011."
That makes it "case law" and legal precedent, which will probably end the insurance debate on the matter.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Even if the Parrs see nothing of the payout, it is a colossal win for the people.
It shows that these companies can be sued and beaten, property rights, health violations, whatever the deal.
It shows that JURIES are essential.
It shows that the work of Calvin Tillman, Josh Fox, Sharon Wilson, and so many others can be vindicated for their tireless efforts to wake the people to their own power, and collapse the nefarious doings of a sick industry.
May we carry it forward and kill this beast.
One sleeper troll account gets TS'd so Buddy the Gas Man simply activates a spare sleeper troll account.
> Please use science when it comes to fracking.
Pretty ironic coming from the people who deny science.
a kennedy
(29,719 posts)Saw this on Public TV last night, was really well done
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Lawyers use the term "case law" to refer to decisions by judges (one judge or an appellate panel) on questions of law, which may arise in other cases. By contrast, jurors are asked to decide questions of fact based on the evidence presented at that particular trial. A jury verdict generally can't be cited in a subsequent action. (There are some exceptions where a party to the first action is also a party in the later action.)
This jury's finding that Aruba Petroleum Inc. intentionally created a nuisance that affected the property of Bob and Lisa Parr isn't binding in any way in any future case involving a different defendant. Even as to Aruba Petroleum, this verdict doesn't even mean that every other unhappy neighbor who sues it will automatically win.
Insurance companies will certainly take account of this verdict in issuing policies to other frackers, so it will do some good there. There might be a rise in premiums, although it's just one case so it probably won't produce a huge increase. Insurers might also study the case to see what Aruba did wrong. Based on that analysis, the insurers might develop some requirements that they insist any company agree to before being issued a policy. A development like that might somewhat mitigate the harms to neighboring landowners but wouldn't affect the issue of carbon dioxide emissions from fracking.