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GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:47 AM Oct 2014

It's time we got mad religious.

Oh God, I know this post is going to ruffle a few feathers. I know even God probably doesn't want me to post this because I had written up a much more elaborate effort tonight and was ready to hit the post button and then all I saw was a blank purple screen and my essay was evaporated into nothingness. I'll rewrite it all again when I get the rage back to a sufficient level but I'll leave you with this.

The problem with the environment is that it's being protected by environmentalists.

If environmentalists treated transgressions against Mother Earth in the same manner that Muslims treat transgressions against the prophet Muhammad. Our environment would be in far better shape than it is today. That point is indisputable and irrefutable.

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It's time we got mad religious. (Original Post) GoldenThunder Oct 2014 OP
Your idea about VINE is interesting cprise Oct 2014 #1
It's time we got mad religious. GoldenThunder Oct 2014 #2
There is no "real deity" DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #4
For starters madokie Oct 2014 #3
Yes and no (with more no than yes). Nihil Oct 2014 #5
So what is an appropriate causualty rate/death toll for this war? Agnosticsherbet Oct 2014 #6
How many lives will be lost GoldenThunder Nov 2014 #7
We are n ot going to lose the Earth. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2014 #8

cprise

(8,445 posts)
1. Your idea about VINE is interesting
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:06 AM
Oct 2014

Although I tend to think that voting (lack thereof) is the biggest sign of apathy today, and suffers from too many excuse-makers and (as you point out) media escapists. So I think the first step is to find a way to get people to view voting as a necessary part of their lives; The point should be to *not* give the establishment any excuse that people don't care about government... and that you're not forced to agree with what you're given on the ballot; write-in a protest vote if the disconnect is that big.

OTOH, this religious idea is risible.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
2. It's time we got mad religious.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:13 AM
Oct 2014

Don't get me wrong I'm not endorsing any religion. But Mother Earth is a real deity. How is it that we don't deem this one true Goddess worthy of fighting for?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. There is no "real deity"
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 06:32 AM
Oct 2014

and it has no need for Prophets. If nothing else, we can recognize that this odd machine called a planet is OUR source of life,meaning that we can depend on the one thing that trumps religous motives every time, selfishness, which is another way of saying FEAR. The hand and head hackers do not need anything that could even be miscontrued as praise.

Mysticism will nto save us anymore, even one for a Gaia instead of a Jehovah.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
3. For starters
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:01 AM
Oct 2014

there is no God.
To the point you're trying to make though. If we don't start treating our environment like our lives depend on it we will all die ultimately because we are killing our planet

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
5. Yes and no (with more no than yes).
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 06:40 AM
Oct 2014

> The problem with the environment is that it's being protected by environmentalists.

Disagree. The problem with the environment is that people have been taught to think that
"an environmentalist" is somehow a bad thing rather than a necessary & vital one.

They've been taught to think that "the environment" is somehow separate from themselves
and their own actions.

They've been taught to think that infinite growth is not only possible but desirable.

Finally, they've been taught to think that they shouldn't think for themselves but just accept
whatever is shouted loudest at them 24x7, that dissent (or even questioning) is bad and
that that mindless submission is good.

That is the problem.


I want environmentalists to remain rational & scientific, their arguments to remain logical & proven
and their appeal to remain sane & factual.

As a result, no, I do NOT want environmentalists to "get mad religious".


On the other hand, all of the religions with which I have had more than a passing contact with
*already* have sacred writings about "preserving the Earth", about "good stewardship", about
"helping the least amongst us", about "doing unto others as you'd want them to do unto you" and
such like. All of them. (And no, I do not count either economics or politics as a religion!)

I appreciate the individual religious "leaders" (from local priest up to Chief Rabbi) when they
recognise and support the environmental message within the context of their faith.

I have seen the good that such blending of environmentalism and religious belief can produce so
yes, I'd really like the religious people to "get mad religious" about those parts (rather than
the usual misogynistic, racist & xenophobic parts which are so much easier for a rabble-rouser
to feed to the herds).


I am in favour of leading by example, of direct action where appropriate and by rewarding good
behaviour whilst punishing bad. Good religious leaders act this way (with "good" meaning in the
sense of moral, honest, consistent & possessing integrity). My personal belief is that this is
because they are "good" people (with or without their religion) in the same way that someone
who hacks off a stranger's head is "bad" (with or without their religion).




For the record: I am not a member of any religion although I was taught at an early age by Jesuits,
have certain Deist, Taoist & Buddhist tendencies, married in a CofE church and have adult children
who are atheist, agnostic & approximately Deist (respectively).

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. So what is an appropriate causualty rate/death toll for this war?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:50 PM
Oct 2014

A few hundred, a thousand, ten thousand. If you wat to Jihad (or crusade) on anti-environmentalist ass, we should at least look at the cost in lives. How many human lives is the earth worth?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
8. We are n ot going to lose the Earth.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:30 PM
Nov 2014

Earth has weathered massive Asteroid strikes.
Conceivably, the Earth could lose us, but the planet will abide until the Sun uses up its hydrogen and expands, briefly, to a larger red star.

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