Honda betting big on hydrogen fuel cell car

[nationalize the fed]

Detroit Free Press | June 15, 2015

Honda said today it plans to introduce a mainstream hydrogen fuel cell vehicle along with a new plug-in hybrid vehicle and a new battery electric vehicle over the next several years...


The Honda FCV Concept is displayed during media previews for the North American International Auto Show in Detroit on Jan. 13.(Photo: Paul Sancya)

The company also said it has discontinued production of its compressed natural gas version of the Honda Civic as well as the hybrid version of the Civic after trying for years to attract buyers to those models...snip

..."We are developing an entirely new generation of vehicles starting from the introduction in 2016 of our next-generation fuel cell vehicle," Mendel said. "This will be followed by an all-new battery electric model and the all-new plug-in hybrid model."

...Honda's fuel cell vehicle, Mendel said, "will be a mainstream performer for the Honda brand." snip

Full Article: http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2015/06/15/honda-civic-pilot-automotive-sales/71248262/

Fifth Gear Reviews the 2008 Honda Hydrogen Clarity

Now the Toyota Fuel Cell Bashers have a new target

Related: The Honda Solar Hydrogen plant in Swindon, England makes 20 Tonnes of 100% Green Hydrogen per year from Solar Energy

And they're working on a Home Solar Hydrogen Fueling system

Honda Begins Operation of New Solar Hydrogen Station
Los Angeles-based Station to Re-fuel Honda Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle


No, silly- that is not the solar panel!

TORRANCE, Calif, U.S.A., January 27, 2010 - Honda began operation of a next generation solar hydrogen station prototype at the Los Angeles Center of Honda R&D Americas, Inc., intended for ultimate use as a home refueling appliance capable of an overnight refill of fuel cell electric vehicles...
http://world.honda.com/news/2010/c100127New-Solar-Hydrogen-Station/

It's Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, BMW, Japan, Germany, Korea and more vs. the nay sayers. Who will win?

[longship]

1. Where does the hydrogen come from?

It certainly is not naturally from Earth, since hydrogen is not natural on Earth. It takes more energy to make molecular hydrogen than such a fuel would be useful.

Hydrogen is no more an energy source than anti-matter. Any claim to a hydrogen energy economy is tooth fairy science. In other words, rubbish.

The only benefit of hydrogen is as an energy storage medium. One can make hydrogen from water, but, as any Simpsons fan could explain...

[Fred Sanders]

3. Hydrogen production does not take make energy than produced, that is woo...and can come from solar.

Maybe you are confusing this with hydrogen fusion energy?

If Honda is spending this kind of green on hydrogen I think they know more about it than the punters.

"Solar hydrogen offers the greatest potential at this time for pollution free, totally renewable energy. The primary methods of hydrogen production today, while representing a very small fraction of the total spectrum of hydrocarbon pollution worldwide, nevertheless contribute further carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, as well as sulfur dioxides that exacerbate acid rain. In contrast, solar hydrogen applications promise an unending source of clean usable energy along with the benefits of non-polluting collection. As current methods further deplete diminishing fossil fuel resources, solar hydrogen will use the limitless power of the Sun to manufacture hydrogen from sea water, recycled water, and even from the garbage that threatens to overflow landfills worldwide.

Other than solar hydrogen, there are several other extraction technologies being studied for their potential to produce hydrogen on a massive scale while still maintaining the integrity of our environment. This would allow remaining hydrocarbon fuel sources to be used for purposes other than energy use, such as the manufacture of plastics, synthetic fibers like nylon and polyester, and other durable goods."

[longship]

4. I give you Arthur Eddington.

The law that entropy always increases, holds, I think, the supreme position among the laws of Nature. If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.

Alas, any claim to a hydrogen economy absent of answering the question, Where does the hydrogen come from? is an empty claim. And it will always take more energy to generate molecular hydrogen than is freed by burning it. That is what Eddington understood and what those who propose hydrogen as a fuel source will never understand.

Nevertheless, hydrogen may be a good source of energy storage, given that it can be generated with non-carbon energy, like solar, wind, or even (horrors) nuclear. But there are zero sources for hydrogen on our planet. That is why it is not an energy source.

on edit: what the hell does "take make" mean? Your post makes no sense whatsoever. And as one who studied physics and thermodynamics at university I understand the difference between hydrogen fuel and fusion. I also understand that neither are native on the planet Earth for the same reason.

[Gregorian]

2. We all got the message: you like hydrogen.

I consider this spamming at this point.