Ukraine-News Flash: Bloodiest Days of Ukraine's Ethnic Cleansing Expected to Come Now

[unhappycamper]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ukraine-News-Flash-Bloodi-by-Eric-Zuesse-Genocide_Obama-Administration_President-Barack-Obama-POTUS_Russia-140812-800.html

Ukraine-News Flash: Bloodiest Days of Ukraine's Ethnic Cleansing Expected to Come Now
Eric Zuesse
OpEdNews Op Eds 8/12/2014 at 12:06:17

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The object of the Ukrainian Government's campaign is to produce as many residents there fleeing into Russia as possible, so that the voting-base that had elected the pro-Russian Ukrainian President whom Obama overthrew in February, Viktor Yanukovych, will no longer be Ukrainian voters.

Oleh Lashko, the person my source is referring to, is a convicted embezzler who then became a leading parliamentary member of the "Bloc Yulia Tymoshenko," led by the woman whom Obama had initially expected would become elected on 25 May 2014 as Ukraine's new President. She was also known as "the Gas Princess," due to her having skimmed billions from Russia's gas-sales to the State. But another oligarch, Petro Poroshenko ('the Chocolate King," and also a shipbuilder), became elected President instead, because Tymoshenko was too far to the right even for most of the voters in Ukraine's northwest. (There were only few people voting in the southeast after Obama's coup, because the post-coup regime had already begun its campaign to exterminate them by the time of the May 25th election.)

The pro-Hitler portion of Ukraine during World War II was the country's northwest. Ukraine's southeast tended to prefer Stalin's rule instead. After the end of communism, the southeast sought closer ties to Russia, whereas the northwest sought closer ties to "the West," but came to be led actually by CIA-backed admirers of the pro-Hitler Ukrainian Stepan Bandera, whom Hitler's forces imprisoned when it became clear that Bandera sought to establish a pro-Nazi independent Ukraine, and Hitler's forces insisted instead on Ukraine's total subjugation.

When Obama took over Ukraine in the February 2014 coup, his agent Victoria Nuland placed at the top of the new Ukrainian Government the leaders of Ukraine's two nazi (or "pro-Nazi&quot Parties, Right Sector, and "Freedom" or Svoboda (formerly called the Social Nationalists, but the CIA instructed them to change that name), both being led by Yulia Tymoshenko's ally Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

[DetlefK]

1. Wow. Are we really supposed to believe that?

"Obama's coup"? Funny, I thought it had something to do with the EU and some international treaties and Ukraine having two historical identities.

The guys who don't like Russia nowadays have historical ties to Hitler? HALF OF EUROPE has historical ties to Hitler. And exactly how does having historical ties to Stalin make the people in Southeastern Ukraine better people than the people in Northwestern Ukraine? For those outside of the bubble of rewritten russian history, Stalin was a terrorist, tyrant and mass-murderer par excellence, who cheated his way to power by falsifying Lenin's last will.

Kiev attempts to blow up a chemical plant that will destroy everything in a 300 km radius? NOT EVEN NUCLEAR BOMBS are that strong.

And about the complaint that Ukraine's new rulers are corrupt oligarchs: How many politicians from Yanukovich's era are NOT corrupt?

[unhappycamper]

2. I've been somewhat puzzled by the rhetoric also.

I'm getting the impression that the CIA has already worked its magic to piss off the Russians.

Blowback maybe??

[jakeXT]

3. Would the Kiev government be bold without US assurances ?

4/16/2014 @ 4:30PM 9,828 views
Why CIA Director Brennan Visited Kiev: In Ukraine The Covert War Has Begun

Ukraine is on the brink of civil war, Vladimir Putin has said, and he should know because the country is already in the midst of a covert intelligence war. Over the weekend, CIA director John Brennan travelled to Kiev, nobody knows exactly why, but some speculate that he intends to open US intelligence resources to Ukrainian leaders about real-time Russian military maneuvers. The US has, thus far, refrained from sharing such knowledge because Moscow is believed to have penetrated much of Ukraine’s communications systems – and Washington isn’t about to hand over its surveillance secrets to the Russians.

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So Brennan needed to reassure his hosts above all on that matter. Or perhaps vice-versa. They might need to reassure the US that Ukraine’s military position is not hopeless. If the US assessed the Ukrainian armed forces as too electronically compromised to use heavy weapons systems, then Washington might discourage a confrontation, might refuse to help in crucial ways, as happened in Georgia. Or Washington might suggest alternate methodologies, low-tech or asymmetrical alternatives, to create enough confusion or humiliation as to tarnish Putin’s popularity. The Russian side has clearly initiated such tactics already. Brennan will try to shore up the security of Ukraine’s military signals systems. He will suggest ways to retaliate in kind by hacking into the pro-Moscow militia’s comms

http://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/

Maybe someone should call Assad and tell him that airstrikes are ok with Psaki

'Kiev has right to use airstrikes to defend sovereignty' - Psaki

Maybe the EU thought it would be just another Gene Sharp style color revolution

Fresh evidence of how the West lured Ukraine into its orbit

One of my readers heard from a Ukrainian woman working in Britain that her husband back home earns €200 a month as an electrician, but is paid another €200 a month, from a German bank, to join demonstrations such as the one last March when hundreds of thousands – many doubtless entirely sincere – turned out in Kiev to chant “Europe, Europe” at Baroness Ashton, the EU’s visiting “foreign minister”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11023577/Fresh-evidence-of-how-the-West-lured-Ukraine-into-its-orbit.html

One reader wrote: “My wife, who is of Ukrainian nationality, has weekly contact to her parents and friends in Zhytomyr [NW Ukraine]. According to them, most protesters get an average payment of 200-300 grivna, corresponding to about 15-25 euro. As I additionally heard, one of the most active agencies and ‘payment outlets’ on EU side is the German ‘Konrad Adenauer Stiftung’, being closely connected to the CDU, i.e. Mrs. Merkel’s party.”

Johannes Loew of the Internet site elynitthria.net/ writes: “I am just back from Ukraine (I live in Munich/Germany) and I was a lot at the Maidan. Most of those people get only 100 grivna. 300 is for Students.”

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/

[DetlefK]

4. Does Ukraine have an option apart from "being bold"?

Let's sum up the situation, shall we:

Russia smuggled paramilitaries into Crimea, occupied it and then declared it part of their nation. Ukraine was politically paralyzed at the time and unable to commit to any official reaction.

People in eastern Ukraine have declared that they no longer want to be part of Ukraine and want to secede with ukrainian territory and property of the nation Ukraine.
* The rebellion may or may not be fueled by russian propaganda.
* The rebellion may or may not be fueled by russian agents and paramilitaries.
* The rebellion may or may not be supplied with russian arms.



Is Ukraine supposed to just accept that? Ukraine was invaded and right now it's fighting paramilitaries who sympathize with the invaders. What would the political consequences be if Ukraine lets the rebels secede? Should Ukraine declare that it is okay to violate its sovereignty and unity as a nation? Nations exist because the citizen cedes part of his authority and sovereignty to a, per definition, higher cause: the community. This is where the authority of a nation stems from and in turn it is obligated to act in the interest of the citizens. If a nation gives up or squanders that authority due to incompetence, then it has violated its contract with the citizens. Though a part of the ukrainian citizenry has withdrawn its lended authority from the ukrainian nation, they have done so outside of the political process, they have done so without communion with the rest of the community. They had the chance to take part in the political process, in elections, to make themselves and their fears heard. Instead they willingly damaged the ukrainian nation. They canceled their part of the contract and in turn, the nation has canceled its part. Unless the remaining ukrainian citizens use their stakes of authority to demand a different policy, the nation Ukraine is obliged to uphold its part of the contract and defend itself and the citizens against those that threaten their wellbeing.

There is a political solution, but it has to come from within the ukrainian community, both citizens and rebels. If they would find a way to talk, to negotiate, they would find a peaceful solution of some kind and only a solution achieved in that way, with both sides on the table, would carry legitimacy.




I won't comment on the articles. The media has turned out to be notoriously unreliable and prone to half-truths and propaganda in this conflict. Russia is not the defender of freedom and human rights it claims to be, and for the most part, the ukrainian rebels are just people who are afraid.

[jakeXT]

5. I'm not so sure about the talking thing

A group of deputies from the nationalist factions of the Verkhovna Rada beat Deputy Nikolai Levchenko right in the session hall. This is clearly seen in an Internet video. Before this, Verkhovna Rada speaker Alexander Turchinov proposed to remove Deputy Levchenko from three meetings “because of provocations”. Levchenko recently spoke out during a session against the ATO, accusing Ukrainain security forces of murdering Ukrainians and the complete failure of President Poroshenko’s plan to peacefully resolve the situation in Eastern Ukraine. The gathered deputies made a decision to exclude Levchenko. This decision was countered by the Party of Regions, the Communist Party and the party “For Peace and Development”.

http://igcp.eu/videosvidetelstva/deputy-levchenko-beaten-speaking-against-ato?language=en