Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forum'If you spot someone, shoot': Israeli soldiers describe Gaza war
More than 60 Israeli soldiers have provided testimony on their time fighting in Gaza during Israel's summer 2014 assault on the enclave
May 4, 2015
A child sits among the rubble of Gaza after Israel's 50-day assault during the summer of 2014 (AFP)
A human rights group in Israel released a report on Monday including the testimonies of more than 60 soldiers which it says provides evidence the Israeli army may have committed grave violations of international law during their assault on Gaza last summer.
Soldiers told Breaking the Silence, a group comprised of former Israeli soldiers, that all Palestinians - civilians and fighters alike - were considered "targets" and that the invading Israeli forces wantonly destroyed swathes of Gazas residential areas.
More than 2,100 Palestinians were killed in Israels 50-day war against Hamas - an estimated 70 percent of casualties were civilian - and some 18,000 homes were destroyed or severely damaged. On the Israeli side 66 soldiers and six civilians were killed.
Several testimonies given to Breaking the Silence describe the complete absence of rules of engagement in the war, and include allegations that Palestinian civilians were considered terrorists in Gaza.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/if-you-spot-someone-shoot-israeli-soldiers-describe-losing-their-morality-gaza-war-1149151567
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)"The rules of engagement for soldiers advancing on the ground were: open fire, open fire everywhere, first thing when you go in, said one infantry soldier who operated in Gaza City.
The assumption being that the moment we went in [to Gaza], anyone who dared poke his head out was a terrorist.
Other accounts include allegations that Israeli troops were briefed by senior officers to open fire on anyone they came across in the coastal enclave.
There werent really any rules of engagement. It was more protocols, said another infantry sergeant, whose unit was in northern Gaza.
They told us, there arent supposed to be any civilians there. If you spot someone, shoot. Whether it posed a threat or not wasnt a question, and that makes sense to me. If you shoot someone in Gaza, its cool, no big deal.
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"Two American lawyers given inside access to the Israeli army recently released a report that concluded the Gaza assault complied with international law. "
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"Israeli officials failed to respond to requests for specific comment on testimonies released by Breaking the Silence, however, they did provide a general statement to the Guardian.
The IDF (Israeli army) is committed to properly investigating all credible claims raised via media, NGOs and official complaints concerning IDF conduct during Operation Protective Edge, in as serious a manner as possible, said a military spokesperson.
It should be noted that following Operation Protective Edge, thorough investigations were carried out, and soldiers and commanders were given the opportunity to present any complaint. Exceptional incidents were then transferred to the military advocate general for further inquiry.
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Kudos to Breaking the Silence.. an outstanding group.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)....Left wing human rights groups .....
Likud MK lies to lefty NGO in attempt to discredit it
Posing as IDF reservist, Oren Hazan gives false testimony to Breaking The Silence group on rights abuses by IDF in Gaza
Source : http://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-mk-lies-to-lefty-ngo-in-attempt-to-embarrass-it/
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)just about anything, like this man did. Since the Geller attack, you can read the current of, see, they
can't be trusted to respond non-violently...just one group of people do these types of
things. It is pretty fascinating to read the rationale and the exclusive pedestal they have placed
themselves on.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)see : http://www.israellycool.com/2015/05/05/washington-post-publishes-unverified-anonymous-claims-from-bts/
Right wing english websites are having an orgy with excuses .
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Damn those human rights groups, agenda driven with that damn moral compass
in place. What will the world come to if they are ever to be believed...his mindset
is pitiful.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)Ayelet Shaked Jefferson......
ref: http://972mag.com/left-wing-ngos-under-attack-again/75890/
+ http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.563674
+ http://forward.com/news/israel/213348/can-ayelet-shaked-sell-secular-israel-on-the-far-r/
+ http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2015/04/creeping-closer-toward-fascism-israeli-political-party-wants-to-override-and-neuter-high-court-345.html
Wait ......just wait and see what is coming now.
Back to your OP .....have a read of this :
http://www.lrb.co.uk/2015/05/04/neve-gordon/the-day-after
Israeli
(4,151 posts)ref : Draft bill: NGOs with foreign funding to be defined 'foreign agents'
Right-wing MKs say organizations operate with a lack of transparency, Israeli public does not benefit from their activity.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.592754
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Israeli
(4,151 posts)Signs of fascism in Israel reached new peak during Gaza op, says renowned scholar
Israel Prize laureate and renowned scholar Zeev Sternhell fears the collapse of Israeli democracy, and compares the current atmosphere with that of 1940s France. The time we have left to reverse this frightening trend is running out, he warns
By Gidi Weitz | Aug. 13, 2014
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.610368
Indeed, we will no longer be able to say that, he replied, adding, There is no doubt that the main state authorities do not act with the same determination against the right and against the left, or on the eastern side of the Green Line and on the western side. All in all, these bodies view themselves as much closer to the settlement projects aims than to the goal of Israel having a Jewish majority and a democracy that grants equality to everyone. The danger is that in good periods, when everything is ostensibly normal, the situation is glossed over. But in a crisis, like we have now, anyone critical of the normal order is absolutely afraid to go out in the street.
A few years. Israel is now the last colonial country in the West. How long will that continue? If not for the memory of the Holocaust and the fear of being accused of anti-Semitism, Europe would have long since boycotted the settlements. I would begin by evacuating Ariel University, because its easy to do. Its easier to remove a university than it is to remove three trailers. Its a symbolic act. That wretched college was made a university in order to demonstrate something.
Why do I so much want a border between the two countries? To prevent the emergence of one state here, because with one state there will be an apartheid regime. After all, no one here is playing with the idea that there will be civic equality between Nablus and Tel Aviv. There will be a civil war here, in the best case, and in the worst case there will be an apartheid state in which we will rule the Arabs without the dimension of transience that is still attached to the territories even though its obvious to anyone with eyes in his head that the transience has long since vanished and that there is an apartheid situation in the West Bank.
The group led by [Naftali] Bennett and [Uri] Ariel scares me I think they are extremely dangerous. I think that [Avigdor] Lieberman is a little less dangerous, because he lacks religious fervor. But they and the right-wing branch of Likud are truly dangerous people, because they really dont understand what democracy is, what human rights are, and they truly and deeply hate the Arabs in a way that doesnt allow for coexistence here. You ask whether there are similarities between Marine Le Pen in France and Bennett of course there are. In some ways she is a dangerous left-winger compared to him. If Netanyahu really wants to enter the history books, he needs to dismantle the partnership with the right, split Likud and establish a centrist government with the support of the left, and not be ashamed to rely on the Arabs votes.
Well worth reading it all Jefferson.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I'm sorry to read that. If true the turmoil, hatreds, revulsion and recrimination that will be generated from such a future will have far reaching implications.
May Israel pull through. Wishful thinking, but what else do we have?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and Shaked getting the Minister of Justice position is downright Orwellian
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Thank you for the links, I appreciate it.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)A bill to restrict funding to leftist nonprofit organization won the governments approval Sunday passing the Ministerial Committee for Legislation by an 8-4 vote. The ministers supporting it belonged to Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu and Habayit Hayehudi, while the four opponents were Tzipi Livni (Hatnuah), and Yesh Atids Yair Lapid, Jacob Perry and Yael German.
The approved version changed two clauses in the original proposal: That a leftist nonprofit would be penalized even if only one member of its board violated one of the clauses for which sanctions are imposed, and that sanctions would be imposed on organizations working against the Jewish-democratic identity of the state. The latter clause would have included negating, even implicitly, Israels existence as a Jewish state, or calling for the separation of religion and state.
In an unusual move, it was agreed that the bill would be debated again by the ministerial panel after it passes its preliminary reading in the Knesset.
Under the revised bill, certain nonprofits that receive donations from a foreign entity would be required to pay a 45 percent tax on the contributions. The law would apply to groups that work for or call on others to boycott Israel, stop investing in Israel, or impose sanctions on the state or its citizens. It would also apply to groups calling to prosecute IDF soldiers for war crimes, subsequently exposing such alleged acts, or calling to investigate them.
Prior to the vote, Deputy Attorney General Avi Licht informed committee members that the bill was unconstitutional. We would not be able to defend this decision before the High Court of Justice, he said.
Weinstein: Chilling effect
Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein has said the bill violates a series of constitutional rights, including freedom of expression and freedom of association. He claims that 45 percent tax is not a tax at all, but a fine, a kind of punitive measure, which aims to create a chilling effect and prevent donations to organizations, thus harming free discourse in Israel, which is one of the key democratic anchors of the state.
Weinstein added that restricting donations and undermining the free discourse of third sector organizations, which includes human rights abuses, is done in a number of states that its doubtful Israel wants to be lumped together with.
In 2011, a similar bill was submitted by then-MK (now Deputy Minister) Faina Kirshenbaum (Yisrael Beiteinu), which imposed a 45 percent tax on donations from foreign countries to organizations that are not supported by the government. Weinstein warned then that the bill was unconstitutional, but Netanyahu said he supported it in principle, subject to several changes including a distinction between organizations whose activities deal with human rights and political groups. He also said he wanted to raise the level of contributions that organizations would be permitted to collect. In the end, Netanyahu did not back that bill, which was merged with another one proposed by MK Ofir Akunis (Likud), and which stated that political groups would not be able to raise more than 20,000 shekels ($5,709) from foreign countries.
Meretz chairman MK Zahava Galon said, The real purpose of the law is incitement against peace groups and against human rights groups, and to harm the contributions to organizations whose perspective is contrary to the views of the settlers and right-wing government.
This law stems from a clear anti-democracy ideology, and the fact is that no such similar law exists in any democratic country, she said. The law will turn the State of Israel into a pariah and an outcast among developed Western countries.
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.563674
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Don't think I have ever heard that language before from Galon.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)....but in Hebrew ....Shulamit Aloni she is not ...but she comes a close second .
Meretz leader Zahava Gal-On is not looking to be loved
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/meretz-leader-zahava-gal-on-is-not-looking-to-be-loved-1.450761
No paywall !! ..... ...........
Im not one of those people who puts a finger up to see which way the wind is blowing, says Gal-On. I dont see this party as a governing party, so I know I dont appeal to all the public. Were a true leftist party, and I know I irritate settlers and rightists.
From then on we stood in front of the Heichal Cinema every Friday − Shulamit Aloni and I and [Meretz member] Dedi Zucker and [the late professor and activist] Boaz Moav, and afterward the demonstrations started all over the country. And then Shulamit Aloni and Boaz said to me: Youre not going to become a teacher, you have to join Ratz. And Shula offered me the position of assistant director general of Ratz.
I dont need to go on and on ....you can read it for yourself .
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)You obviously have not been following very closely.
This is an official governmental stamp on a policy of apartheid in the territories," declared Meretz party chief Zehava Gal-On. "Separating Jews and Palestinians only deepens Israels status as a pariah state. (2014)
"The annexation solution will not be accepted by the international community, and will make Israel a pariah state to the whole world." 2012)
Have you ever tried Google?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I suspect you'll most of those 'entities' located in the US
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The fear mongering works well in Israel, for the most part.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)We know what it means for the Palestinians. They get killed, or brutalized, or dispossessed of land, orchards, homes.
But what does it do to the individual Israeli soldiers who commit these heinous acts? The world knows about PTSD and the problems associated with that syndrome. What will this brutalization of Israeli soldiers do to their society?
A case of the sword cutting both ways in this endless war of occupation.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The total number of soldier suicides in the Israel Defense Forces has more than doubled in 2014 -- one year after the soldier suicide rate fell to a historic low, according to a report released Friday. The Israeli military denied any connection between the sharp increase and the Israel-Gaza conflict, the Jerusalem Post reported.
Seven Israeli soldiers committed suicide in 2013. Since then, 15 soldiers have taken their own lives, according to the militarys latest figures. Officials told local media there's no evidence that links the growing rate to last summers Gaza war. We have not noticed any link between cases of suicide and army operations, a senior officer in the IDFs Personnel Directorate reportedly said, adding that the army is doing all it can to prevent suicides.
http://www.ibtimes.com/suicide-rates-more-doubled-among-soldiers-serving-israel-defense-forces-1772338
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Israeli
(4,151 posts)......white-wash , pink-wash , orange-wash .....whats the color for suicide ?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The US army generally denies similar connections. Just another example of the consequences of war. I would also wonder about increased rates of spousal/children abuse.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Breaking the Silence said the rules of engagement were "the most permissive" they had ever heard.
The air force knows how to take down one house that׳s inside a neighborhood, but that does not mean all the houses around it dont get damaged. It׳s not like the houses in the [Gaza] Strip are all new and protected with bomb shelters. In the end, these houses get damaged again and again and again, until they collapse.
Breaking the Silence said the rules of engagement were "the most permissive" they had ever heard. The report indicated that the testimonies showed the inconsistency between what the Israeli government told the public verses what really took place on the ground.
The report added that the official military orders allow for fire only after identifying a weapon, intent, and the enemys realistic capability, something that the testimonies significantly contradicted.
The (Israeli) public must know what missions its sons are being sent to carry out, and according to which norms the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) acts in its name, Novak told the Middle East Eye website.
VIDEO
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Open-Fire-Everywhere-Israeli-Soldiers-Describe-Gaza-War-20150505-0004.html
Just a bit more on this.