Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumGaza rules: Kill 2 Palestinian women on cellphones in an orchard so Israeli soldiers face zero risk
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/testimonies-palestinian-cellphonesUnderlying the testimonies, though, are two new doctrines of war that the Israeli military has adopted at the highest level in order to combat violent Palestinian resistance: 1, zero risk to Israeli troops, 2, destruction of entire neighborhoods as a form of deterrence and collective punishment.
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Shaul says that Israel crossed lines it had not crossed before: In 2002 in Gaza during the second intifada, in order to fire one shell, a colonel needed to approve it. In Operation Protective Edge [the 2014 operation] you could have a 19-and-a-half-year-old sergeant who commands a tank firing dozens of shells a day and no one asks a question. Its war.
He goes on, What we understand is that the IDF has changed its way of fighting, basically abandoned the ethical code without having any conversation, without having any discussion. Its a mad doctrine, and the IDF didnt adopt it formally. Even some people in the general staff think its mad, but this is the way we fight.
More madness than method...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)They keep resisting their occupiers despite the odds..it is what people do.
4now
(1,596 posts)Last summer Israel murdered over 400 innocent Palestinian children.
Israel has become the terrorist.
King_David
(14,851 posts)For hiding its terrorists live killers and ticking time bombs in schools and hospitals and anywhere kids were at play.
Why Hamas stores its weapons inside hospitals, mosques and schools
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/31/why-hamas-stores-its-weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)from your link
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or some such
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You're asking for somebody to assess facts vs hasbara.
It's hard for some to come to terms with Israelis acting the part of the murderer.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)bombs...easy, once you get into the habit of lying and the head of state lies without apology.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)2. The second doctrine is the Dahiya doctrine, developed during the second Lebanon war in the Beirut neighborhood of Dahiya, of bombing portions of the enemys cities to ashes. This idea reflects an understanding of asymmetrical war: We cant really ever win the war, we cant wipe out the militants, but we can buy time between rounds of conflict by making so much damage that it will cause them to think 20,000 times before they pick a fight. So responding proportionately is a strategic error, we have to bomb them so much as to create deterrence. - See more at:
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/testimonies-palestinian-cellphones#sthash.eDNwUiEv.dpuf
the Dahiya doctrine also allows that any of what would normally be considered civilian infrastructure that could be used by combatants including but not limited to housing, water treatment plants, and electrical plants be military targets
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)it's not genocide, so quit saying that.
And yes, Hamas is a bunch of amoral, criminal assholes. That's kinda what you get when you drive people into a corner with no way to escape.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the schools were vacant when the weapons were hidden there
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Wrong again.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)BTS hasn't lied in the past, so it's quite possible that these allegations are true. These events seem to be bona fide war crimes. That would mean that most, if not all of the dead civilians in Gaza were murdered. That's a horrible thought.
If the events described happened in the armed forces of a civilized country like the US, there would be charges laid, or at least a dishonorable discharge. This would probably involve those who reported the events to BTS as well.
This is so bad. Purity of Arms is a concept that should be outlawed.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)"If the events described happened in the armed forces of a civilized country like the US, there would be charges laid, or at least a dishonorable discharge."
I thought of what happened when the US Marines depopulated Fallujah.
No charges, no real follow up.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Someone ought to stand trial for this.