Hillary promises reset with Israel

[King_David]

Hillary Clinton's speech on Wednesday shook a clenched fist at Iran. But it was also a warm embrace of another country: Israel.

Speaking at the Brookings Institution, Clinton strongly backed President Barack Obama’s nuclear deal. But beyond her largely familiar arguments in favor of the agreement with Tehran was a striking emphasis on Israel's security, which Clinton firmly vowed to protect.

Indeed, Obama's former top diplomat pledged a fresh start to the troubled relationship between the U.S. and Israel. Without ever quite calling Obama less than a rock-solid ally, Clinton implied that she would be a better friend to Israel.

"I wouldn't support his agreement for one second if I thought it put Israel in greater danger," she said. "I know well that the same forces that threaten Israel, threaten the United States. To the people of Israel, you will never have to question whether we are with you. The United States will always be with you."



http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-iran-deal-israel-reset-213446

[King_David]

1. This was originally posted in LBN. nt

[geek tragedy]

2. The US President is not the problem in the relationship as things stand now.

Clinton will go back to the Bush/Cheney policy on Israel/Palestine. She's no different in that regard than Scott Walker, or Jeb! Bush, or Marco Rubio, or Ted Cruz.

For those who like Republican foreign policy (including most Israelis), Hillary will be a treat.

[King_David]

5. It's Democratic Party policy and tradition

Always has been always will be...

[geek tragedy]

19. It's more of a Republican than Democratic position.

The Republicans are more supportive of Israel than Democrats are.

Netanyahu has every Republican in Congress voting his way. He's getting 10% of the Democrats.

W Bush never had a public disagreement with Israel's government. Both Clinton and Obama have.

[King_David]

21. Not true

Democrats more natural allies of Israel

George Bush snr constantly clashed with Israel .

[geek tragedy]

23. Nature has nothing to do with this.

Bush senior left office a quarter century ago.

Every single Republican candidate is at least as supportive of Israel as Clinton. And they all are much bigger supporters than is Obama.

There would be no disagreements--none, zero, zilch, nada--between any Republican president and Israel.

The Republican position is to give Israel a blank check diplomatically and ask nothing in return.

It is physically impossible for Democrats to support Israel as much as Republicans do.

Democrats support policies that would be more beneficial to Israel than those supported by Republicans. But the Israelis don't appreciate Americans like Obama telling them what's good for them.


Very, very few strong supporters of Israel opposed the Iraq war, btw--the stronger the support for Israel, the more likely they voted for the Iraq war.

[Little Tich]

25. You're probably right when it comes to all the Presidential candidates except for Bernie Sanders.

I think it's entirely possible that he would try to be an honest broker in the ME. After all, he loathes Netanyahu, and a politician who does that must be quite decent.

[PFunk1]

3. one more reason why I wont be voting for Hillary

It's time to stop the blank checks and begin some 'tough love' with Israel before they drive us into a major ME war

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. It's refreshing to know that Hillary will ignore the dead children in Gaza,

the immolated Palestinians in the West Bank, the forced removal of Bedouin from their lands in order to build Jewish-only communities, the illegal Israeli colonists squatting on land that does not belong to them...all in favor of resetting relations with poor victimized Israel.

[oberliner]

6. What about Bernie Sanders?

Is his policy significantly different?

[King_David]

7. No different :

Is Bernie Sanders a Lefty on Everything Except for Israel?



Read more: http://forward.com/news/national/310087/is-bernie-sanders-a-lefty-except-for-israel/#ixzz3lIQqA0ba




But because he is a New York Jew (that we have heard so much about - Like Seinfeld )....



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=112287





...he gets accused by the so called Left of being a dual citizen with Israel with dual loyalties...




NPR's Diane Rehm accuses Sanders of having dual Israeli-American citizenship

[Scootaloo]

14. Funny, looks more like the centrists getting that stink on their butts

Diane Rehm is only "left" if your position starts on the right, after all. And of course there's all the bullshit that amounts to calling Sanders a disloyal, craven money-grubber who hates black people. heard that song and dance before.

And sadly, no, Sanders' position on the subject of israel / palestine isn't any different from clinton's. or o'malleys. or webb's. or Trump's. Or Bush's. Or any of the rest, except maybe Rand Paul (but who gives a fuck what Rand Paul thinks, anyway?)

Just one of those things. Gotta put up with the Us obsession with ensuring Jesis has a landign pad and Lockheed-Martin has a constant stream of purchases

[King_David]

15. Bernie Sanders is Jewish and grew up Jewish

And I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with beliefs in Jesus.

[azurnoir]

26. Is Sanders a Zionist? Here’s what he told Vox’s Ezra Klein:

wonder how Hillary would answer?

“A Zionist? What does that mean? Want to define what the word is? Do I think Israel has the right to exist? Yeah, I do. Do I believe that the United States should be playing an even-handed role in terms of its dealings with the Palestinian community in Israel? Absolutely I do.

“Again, I think that you have volatile regions in the world, the Middle East is one of them, and the United States has got to work with other countries around the world to fight for Israel’s security and existence at the same time as we fight for a Palestinian state where the people in that country can enjoy a decent standard of living, which is certainly not the case right now. My long-term hope is that instead of pouring so much military aid into Israel, into Egypt, we can provide more economic aid to help improve the standard of living of the people in that area.”

http://www.jta.org/2015/08/17/news-opinion/politics/where-does-bernie-sanders-the-jewish-candidate-for-president-stand-on-israel

[King_David]

30. So what?

Bernie Sanders the Brooklyn Jews votes and views on Israel are impeccable.

Juan Cole ( hero to half the posters in this group said) :


Sanders’ Israel policy seems likely to tilt more toward Tel Aviv than that of Obama, though Sanders did boycott the address of PM Binyamin Netanyahu to Congress in March.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/04/president-bernie-sanders.html


You keep posting that as if Bernie said something anti-Israel.

[azurnoir]

33. Despite Juan Cole's opinion Bernie refusal to definitively say he is a Zionist differentiates him

from most American politicians

[King_David]

39. What nonsense

There's different definitions of Zionist.

A lot of Jews believe a Zionist is only a Jew who goes on Aliyah ....

Bernie Sanders is proven to be more pro Israel in his voting as Senator than most.

What's really surprising is that half the people posting on this group with views so diametrically opposite to Bernie Sanders on Israel could support such a strong supporter of Israel.

There's even an extremely anti Israel poster here in this group that is as single issue as one could get with a Bernie Sanders avatar.

The 1st Jewish president of the USA is currently and will be a strong friend of the Jewish State ....

To At least 5 people's dismay in this group.

[geek tragedy]

40. Why do Israel/US relations need to be reset? nt

[King_David]

41. That's Hillary...

[geek tragedy]

42. Do you have an opinion as to whether they need to be reset? nt

[King_David]

44. Because of the optics around the Iran deal

And Netenyahoos foolish attempt at interference in USA partisan politics ... A "reset" will bring the Democrats back to their natural position with regard to Israel .

After the deal is passed Obama himself will do a reset.

This is what Obama said about Israel:

There are always going to be arguments within families and among friends. And Israel isn’t just an ally, it’s not just a friend — it’s family. The relationships between our peoples, the shared values, the shared commitment to democracy — those things are so deep that they have survived arguments in the past and they will survive this argument.

[azurnoir]

45. For real lot's of Jew believe you're only a Zionist if you immigrate to Israel or is it visit :)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah

you said 'go on' as opposed to make, leaving a possible opening

[King_David]

46. Sorry I do not get what you are saying there....at all....nt

[Mosby]

34. Sanders sounds like a typical politician in that quote.

Maybe someone should tell Sanders that Palestinians have the highest standard of living of any me arab group not including the gulf region of course.

[azurnoir]

35. Really has Hillary demurred about being a Zionist?

[Mosby]

36. Don't know, when I search for Hillary Clinton Zionist all I get are hate sites.

http://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=hillary+clinton+zionist+video

http://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=hillary+clinton+zionist

See for yourself.

[azurnoir]

38. Jewish Post , and NYT are hate sites?

the first 2 up in my search

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Notice what Bernie says at 3:30, 4:00, 4:26-4:40, 5:10 and 6:00

#t=192

This pretty much sums up his POV, and it's from 1988. If he deplores what Israel was doing then I'm pretty much convinced that he hates it now.

BTW: Bernie doesn't really like Netanbooboo whereas Hillary seems to have her face pressed up his backside.

[oberliner]

11. Do you have anything from the past 20 years?

Or has he not spoken about Israel since 1988?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

16. AHAHAHAHA!

My point, oh ober, is that he IS on record, and now you want to move the goalposts????





I knew you would punt!

[oberliner]

17. Not sure what goalposts you are talking about

I'm just asking if he's spoken about the topic more recently and/or if he has articulated positions on the subject that you feel comfortable with. Presumably he has since you are using his image as your avatar and I know the plight of the Palestinians is a cause that is very important to you based on what you have posted here.

[azurnoir]

27. would about 3 weeks ago do?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134112465#post26

[King_David]

9. This is what Juan Cole says :

Sanders’ Israel policy seems likely to tilt more toward Tel Aviv than that of Obama, though Sanders did boycott the address of PM Binyamin Netanyahu to Congress in March.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/04/president-bernie-sanders.html

[King_David]

12. Here is a more recent vid than that posted here 2014 :

[geek tragedy]

18. Sanders has expressed personal dislike of Putinyahu.

And boycotted his pro-war speech earlier this year.

And he does care about the Palestinians.

And he's not still trying to beg forgiveness from the AIPAC crowd for kissing Hadassah Arafat on the cheek.

And Haim Saban hasn't donated a penny to him.

[oberliner]

22. Would you say you generally agree with Sanders with respect to I/P?

That his POV on the topic is in line with yours for the most part?

[geek tragedy]

24. On general policy towards the region, of which Israel is a part,

I generally agree with him.

He's generally closed to the Obama internationalist position than he is to the Neocon position held by Clinton and the Republicans.

Israel will not be a campaign issue in 2016.

[King_David]

31. Of course Israel will not be an issue

Israel enjoys bipartisan support.

If half this groups views on Israel were expressed by any volunteer on Bernie Sanders campaign, that volunteer would no longer be a member of such campaign 5 minutes later.

The other half of us in this group would have absolutely no problem expressing our views on Israel at all as a volunteer on the campaign.

[6chars]

10. Don't mean to brag, but I called this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=566948

It took all of my prophetic powers.

[King_David]

13. Shkaich , he owes you $100

[azurnoir]

28. I think you're misspelling it's Shkoyach not Shkaich

http://www.frumsatire.net/2008/07/26/shkoyach-is-a-really-anoying-term-when-not-used-in-shul-context/

[King_David]

29. There's no such thing as mis-spelling Hebrew or Yiddish words

When not written in Hebrew script.

[Little Tich]

20. I'm not sure what could be reset with Netanyahu in charge... n/t

[6chars]

32. The full text is interesting:

http://blog.4president.org/2016/2015/09/hillary-clinton-vowing-to-vigorously-enforce-nuclear-deal-lays-out-five-point-plan-to-counter-iran.html

Wonder how EU will feel about this:

"I will build a coalition to counter Iran’s proxies, particularly Hezbollah. That means enforcing and strengthening the rules prohibiting the transfer of weapons to Hezbollah… looking at new ways to choke off their funding… and pressing our partners to treat Hezbollah as the terrorist organization it is. It’s time to eliminate the false distinction that some still make between the supposed political and military wings. If you’re part of Hezbollah, you’re part of a terrorist organization, plain and simple."

Also wonder if this means she will not call for restraint if there is another conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

[geek tragedy]

37. Thousands of dead Lebanese civilians wouldn't bother her any more than they bother

the average Israeli.

[azurnoir]

43. yep, here is more I found the part in the video where she threatens war with Iran interesting too

“Distrust and verify,” would be her approach, she insisted, turning Ronald Reagan’s famous “trust but verify” line about the Soviet Union on its head. She went on to describe Iran as a “ruthless, brutal regime,” words far harsher than Mr. Obama has used as he has sought to coax the Iranians along in the years of perilous diplomacy. She added, “I will not hesitate to take military action” if Iran seeks to obtain a bomb despite its commitments, a deliberately stronger formulation than Mr. Obama’s “all options are on the table.”


in the accompanying video she actually threatens war

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/us/politics/hillary-clinton-backs-iran-nuclear-deal.html?_r=0