Facing Reality: Jewish terrorism is no longer limited to just a few bad seeds

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/reality-terrorism-limited

The reaction is all a farce, an illusion at best. Israelis, including agents of the government, pretend to be morally outraged that these acts occur; however, everything in Israel has simply been a direct build up to this moment. When are we as Israelis, Jewish Americans, and Jews throughout the world going to accept that this is all part of the same cyclical violence and rampant hate speech that has been taking place for years? When will we start taking ownership that something has been eating away at us for years? These attacks finally brought about some speech admonishing it, but their outrage in the public rhetoric is disingenuous. Only acceptance that this is cultural and widespread and therefore religious and government institutions alike are complicit will bring about lasting change.

The hypocrisy is overwhelming. Israel condemns violence and hate speech, but allows settlers to continue to reign terror virtually unchecked against Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel condemns hate speech but allows Ayelet Shaked, who openly called for the genocide of Palestinians, to be the Minister of Justice.

A recent act exemplifying the difference between a few bad seeds and widespread cultural seeds is the death of 16-year old Mohammed Abu Khdeir. Rather than wait to hear the true cause of death, the Israeli media was quick to jump and claim that it was an honor killing—so quick to deflect, defend, and, ultimately, rationalize. Once it was revealed that the perpetrators were in fact three Jewish terrorists, they were not labeled as such. Instead, they were regarded as fanatics, extremists, a few bad seeds, and a gag order was issued. To this day, only one of the three names of the assailants has been released. Instead of focusing on the horror of this crime and reacting with outrage that something like this could be committed by members of the Jewish community, instead of turning inwards for processing and introspective analysis, the narrative of this story focused on the bravery of these terrorists to turn themselves in, how truly apologetic they felt and how they regret their actions.

The attention and treatment Jewish terrorists receive compared to their Palestinian counterparts is befuddling. Palestinian terrorists have their names released to the public, no fair or open trial, and their family homes bulldozed and demolished. Why is there such a discrepancy between Jewish terrorists and Palestinian terrorists?

[oberliner]

1. "Ayelet Shaked, who openly called for the genocide of Palestinians..."

I mean it's just so blatantly insane in the Mondoweiss world.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Keep up wiht the attempted denials, ober. She's on record...and so are you.

It's surprising that you keep on sticking up for those racist right wing Israelis.

Very telling...indeed.

[oberliner]

3. Not true

If someone claims that Donald Trump called for the genocide of all Mexican-Americans, it should be OK to call BS on such a statement without being accused of "sticking up" for him or thinking him any less racist.

It's important to have these discussion with actual facts and not made up BS.

It is unhelpful to repeat lies about people, even unsavory people.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Yessssssss, it's TRUE, ober. And your feeble gainsaying is laughable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/07/israels-new-justice-minister-considers-all-palestinians-to-be-the-enemy/

Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’


This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started...
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Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

This excerpt was a post from that evil right wing Israeli siren of corrupted zionism: Ayelet Shaked.

The internets remember, ober, but apparently you would love everybody to forget.


Donald Trump, AFAIK, has not called for genocide, but the Israeli Right Winger, that you continue to support and defend simply has.

That's really fucking strange coming from a liberal, ober.

Really fucking strange.

[oberliner]

8. That bolded quotation is from Uri Elitzur not Ayelet Shaked

Those aren't Shaked's words (as the Washington Post article you link to mentions).

She posted the article on her Facebook page and then deleted it.

What I think is strange coming from a supposed liberal is making things up about people just because you don't like them.

That's what the other side usually does - not ours.

She's said enough right-wing things without having to make up others by extrapolating your own (and/or Mondoweiss's) meaning from an article written by someone else that she posted and deleted from her Facebook account.

Shaked, Israeli right-winger that she is, did not call for genocide no matter how many times you or Mondoweiss wish to pretend that she did.

[King_David]

9. This

What I think is strange coming from a supposed liberal

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. No, dave, this.

She posted them on her facebook account! They're her words now!

Own it!

You guys can't dodge it. Own it!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. She posted them on her facebook account! They're her words now!

She posted the article on her Facebook page and then deleted it.

Own it, ober, own it!

She deleted them after being caught as a fucking bigot endorsing genocide.

What I think is strange coming from a supposed liberal is making things up about people just because you don't like them.

I don't suffer right wing bigots or fools that want to defend them.

That's what the other side usually does - not ours.

I'm on the side of telling the truth. How about you?

She's said enough right-wing things without having to make up others by extrapolating your own (and/or Mondoweiss's) meaning from an article written by someone else that she posted and deleted from her Facebook account.

She posted this on her facebook page. Do you think that it wasn't on purpose? You're reaching too far for that excuse tonight.

Shaked, Israeli right-winger that she is, did not call for genocide no matter how many times you or Mondoweiss wish to pretend that she did.

Keep on dreaming that beautiful dream. Perhaps if you wish hard enough....

[oberliner]

12. Posting an article on Facebook makes the content of that article your words?

That really makes sense to you?

I would think that most people would still attribute the content of the article to the person who wrote it.

Here are some actual words that she actually said:

"We want a good life, with peace and prosperity for all the eight million plus people living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Indeed, if the Arab society enjoys prosperity, so will Jewish society, and vice versa. let me be very clear I condemn any kind of assault against innocent civilians, whether they are Jews or Arabs."

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. It becomes an endorsement of the author and content itself.

Good job with the revisionist history, ober, and good luck defending that right winger.

As they say, you own it now.

[oberliner]

19. OK

But she didn't call for genocide and she doesn't call for genocide and there is no reason to repeat such BS no matter how disdainful her actual views are.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. You're neck deep in a river in Egypt...

[Little Tich]

15. I know how to cherry-pick quotes too...

Exposing militant leftist propaganda, by Ayelet Shaked
Source: Jerusalem Post, 07/16/2014

"A call for the indiscriminate killing of children is a terrible thing. But what if the statement was that any time you kill our children, you're exposing your own children to the same fate? Still unsettling, but rational when you consider that they purposely use their kids as human shields. It's not a call for indiscriminate murder."

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Exposing-militant-leftist-propaganda-363062

[oberliner]

17. That was kind of my point

I was trying to parody the bolded quotation in the OP in order to prove exactly that.

[azurnoir]

16. Here is a copy of her FB post, it may have pulled since but on 7/21/2014 it was there

Star Member azurnoir (40,136 posts)
37. Here is the translation

An article by URI elitzur, a shelved late written 12 years ago. Relevant today as it was then: "the Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we need to fight back.
No operation, no rolling, and low intensity and controlled escalation, rather than destroying the terrorist infrastructure, and Israeli targeted killings. Enough to Dim up the names. This is a war. Words have meaning. This is a war. Rather than counter-terrorism and war on extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. Both these forms of evasion from reality. This is a war between the two Nations. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? You ask him, he started.

I don't know why is it so hard for us to set the simple words in the language to put at our disposal. Why do we have to invent every two weeks a new name for this war, and not to call her by name. What's so shocking in understanding that all the Palestinian people is the enemy. All war is between two peoples and the people who launched war on war, in its entirety, is the enemy. Declaration of war is not a war crime. Certainly not a war. Rather than using the word "war" and a clear definition of the enemy. Vice versa. Morality of war (and this) is based on the assumption that the world wars, and war is not normal, and usually fights with the enemy who disobeys the orders of his elders and pay its way, and its fruit, and tshtiotav property.

And morality of war know it is impossible not to harm the citizens of the enemy. He condemns the British air force bombed and destroyed completely the German Dresden and u.s. jets destroyed the cities of Poland and ravaged half of Budapest residents, miserable places that never were bad for America, but had to destroy them in order to win the war against evil. Morality of war don't read prosecute Russia explosion and destroys the towns and neighborhoods in Chile. He denounced the peace forces or killed hundreds of civilians in Angola, and the NATO bombing of Belgrade, Milosevic's City million Iranians, old men and women and infant children. The war has to be correct in principle, not just politically, what did America in Afghanistan, including bombs of populated localities, including the creation of refugees of hundreds of thousands of people who fled the fighting, and thousands of them left home to return to.

And it's true that our battle is that enemy soldiers are hiding within the population, and only because of the support they can fight. Behind a dozen men and women, standing, without which he could not have been too bad. Participants in the programs in mosques, authors of the murderous plans, sponsors, suppliers, car shelter, and give due respect and support morlit. All the enemy fighters and bleeding in the head. It's also the mothers of the martyrs, that send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They need to follow them, there's nothing in it. They need to go, and the physical House which they raised the snake. Other small snakes grow more.

But the week's festivities and respect both houses of two murderers vile. I guess they where mourning tents, and the city come to pay my respects to my mom and dad raised the devil. The two houses need to bomb from the air, to destroy and to kill. And we have to explain that from now on every home of a martyr. There is nothing right and probably not even that useful. Each bomber should have known he was taking with him both his parents and his home and neighbors. All UM Jihad hero that sends her son to hell needs to know that she's going with him. Along with the House and all that.

The list cannot be focused. That's war. What is thwart focused preventive and unfocused. We opened this naughty war we could not finish it. The key to a ceasefire in the hands of the Palestinian people. We can only burn their fingers until you want to use them. " (Translated by Bing)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5269479

[oberliner]

18. Yes, I remember that discussion

Translated by Bing!

[Little Tich]

14. You're right that it wasn't Ayelet Shaked's own words, and I agree that she didn't call for genocide

However, she's definitely an Arab-hating racist, and her views are not mainstream by non-Israeli standards.

Here are some examples from a Haaretz article about her views:

What Does Israel’s New Justice Minister Really Think About Arabs?
Source: Haaretz, May 11, 2015

(snip)

How mainstream is she? The following quotes, culled from interviews she’s given in recent years, offer some clues:

In March 2011, terrorists brutally murdered five members of the Fogel family from the Jewish settlement of Itamar in their sleep. At the time, Shaked was running a right-wing advocacy group called My Israel (Yisrael Sheli) and had convinced relatives of the family to hand over graphic photos of the victims to be distributed to the international media. After commenting on this highly controversial PR ploy in an interview with Haaretz Magazine in June 2012, she said, “The soldiers who arrested the murderers of the Fogel family − I admire them for not shooting them in the head. I admire them.”

In a Channel 2 interview program broadcast in January 2012, she was asked the following question: “When your husband the pilot, when he’s up in the air, do you hope he’ll be pounding the Arabs hard with bombs?” Shaked responded first with a laugh and then said, “Yes.”

While she was running My Israel, Shaked learned that Bank Leumi was promoting the sale of a real estate company in Jerusalem to a consortium that included a Palestinian investor. Here’s how she described what ensued in an interview with Haaretz in April 2011, “In order to prevent the sale of the neighborhood to Arab hands, all members of the group [My Israel] were instructed to call senior executives at the bank and protest, and those with accounts at Bank Leumi were instructed to call their branch managers and notify them of their desire to leave the bank.” The campaign ultimately paid off.

In an interview with the nrg website in March 2013, Shaked was asked to address the issue of Jewish sovereignty over the Temple Mount – a key flashpoint in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “I’m not saying that now, de facto, we should get up and change the status quo. But we do need to talk about it, and we do need to allow Jews to go up there more and pray,” she said.

On most issues, Shaked does not keep her views a secret. She is, in fact, quite outspoken. She was a driving force behind the highly controversial “nation-state” bill, which puts Israel’s Jewishness above its democratic aspirations. She has lobbied incessantly for legislation that would outlaw foreign contributions to left-wing NGOs. She has railed against the government for not cracking down more forcefully on asylum seekers from Africa.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.655941

[oberliner]

20. Thanks - and I agree with you here also

As I wrote above, her actual opinions and statements are loathsome enough without having to make up things.

[King_David]

4. The chutzpah of Mondoweiss calling anybody a hater?

Or right wing ?

After they trashed Bernie Sanders and praised Anne Coulter... Is precious.

[oberliner]

5. Ann Coulter literally tweets "f-ing Jews" and Mondoweiss argues that she makes good points

And not just any Mondoweiss writer, but the man who created the vanity site and for whom it is named.

[King_David]

6. He cares not if its a right wing hate or a left wing hate

He's allied with those that's Hate Israel and now too it seems Jews.