Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:57 PM
R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)
‘NYT’ and ‘Washington Post’ run (settler) professor’s articles defending settlements
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/washington-professors-settlements
Two years ago, Kontorovich emigrated to Israel from the US, and moved to Alon Shvut, an Israeli colony south of Bethlehem. According to his listing at the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, Kontorovich now lives in Neve Daniel, another settlement within the Bethlehem governorate.
But Kontorovich is not just a settlement resident; a video that has come to light shows him expressing support for a notorious right-wing settler group that sees all of the West Bank as “the exclusive possession” of Jews. In December 2013, Kontorovich gave a talk as a guest of Women in Green (WiG) “on how to apply Israeli sovereignty overc Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] without jeopardizing the existence of Israel as a Jewish state.” The event took place in Ush Ghurab, on the outskirts of Beit Sahour, where settler activists waged a long campaign to ensure the land remained out of bounds for local Palestinians. And the hasbarist trolls will be by in short order to scream about anti-semitism while overlooking their own. I applaud Mondoweiss for shining a light on illegal colonist-Americans and the Israeli apartheid state. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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R. Daneel Olivaw | Dec 2015 | OP |
oberliner | Dec 2015 | #1 | |
Mosby | Dec 2015 | #2 | |
King_David | Dec 2015 | #3 | |
R. Daneel Olivaw | Dec 2015 | #4 | |
oberliner | Dec 2015 | #5 | |
King_David | Dec 2015 | #6 | |
oberliner | Dec 2015 | #7 | |
King_David | Dec 2015 | #8 | |
R. Daneel Olivaw | Dec 2015 | #11 | |
R. Daneel Olivaw | Dec 2015 | #9 | |
R. Daneel Olivaw | Dec 2015 | #10 | |
Little Tich | Dec 2015 | #12 |
Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:58 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
1. Carter’s Visit to Neve Daniel – a Lesson in the Importance of Dialogue
During Carter’s visit to Gush Etzion he saw a living, thriving, and prosperous community. He met with council head, Shaul Goldstein, who did not heed the petition, world renowned Yeshiva (Jewish seminary) head Rabbi Aharon Lichtenstein, local resident Sherri Mandel whose son Koby was bludgeoned to death with rocks, and Ruth Gillis, whose husband was killed by a Palestinian sniper as he drove home. After hearing their stories Carter declared: “I recognize that their suffering is taking place in an area where strife and misunderstanding and animosity exist.”
All too often, Israeli settlers and their supporters fall into the trap of seeing the entire world as being against them including the United Nations, the international community, and the Israeli left. It becomes all too easy to preach solely to the choir – those who already support the settlers such as many in the US evangelical community. However such disengagement from the broader Israeli public, and especially the international community, also makes it easy for the settlers to be typecast as villains, international pariahs and outlaws. Yet, in the complex human mosaic that makes up the Arab-Israeli conflict, the settlers too deserve to be heard. Israeli settlers do have their own narratives to tell, consisting of dreams, aspirations, and stories. Many may even want peace – and may be willing to make compromises in order to achieve it. Irrespective of one’s views of the settlements, the voices of Israeli settlers need to be heard by those who want to make a positive difference in this conflict. The visit certainly did not turn Carter into an admirer of settlements. However he did see another side of the Arab-Israeli conflict and upon leaving stated that "this particular settlement area is not one I ever envision being abandoned or changed over into Palestinian territory". http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?id=25796&lan=en&sp=0 |
Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:07 PM
Mosby (14,365 posts)
2. who are these "hasbarist trolls" on DU?
Can you name one?
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Response to Mosby (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:28 PM
King_David (14,851 posts)
3. I find the biggest right wing bigots on DU... Pretending to be Democrats...
in my experience, and I'm talking as a Gay male here who has seen a couple of homophobic bullies here in our group.... usually are the ones calling other DU members ( usually myself ...trolls )
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Response to King_David (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:41 PM
R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)
4. I'm sure you believe that...
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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #4)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:52 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
5. Do you have anything to say about the actual article?
Should people who live in settlements not be allowed to write op-ed pieces?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #5)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:17 PM
King_David (14,851 posts)
6. It's a Mondoweiss article, the OP...
Weiss probably thinks that he being the only righteous Jew on the continent, he should be the one and only Jew allowed to write op-Ed pieces.
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Response to King_David (Reply #6)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:43 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
7. Phil mixed this guy up with someone who insulted Mondoweiss
That was the whole purpose behind this article in the first place.
You'll notice almost all of it is just copying and pasting a different article published elsewhere. One of the commentators quickly pointed out that Phil had mixed this guy up with a different Washington Post op-ed writer, so he deleted that part of the article. All that's left is the cut-and-past of the Ben White article from Middle East Monitor basically. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #7)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:48 PM
King_David (14,851 posts)
8. In the words of a right wing bigoted troll,
Phil is an : Amateur
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Response to King_David (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:14 PM
R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)
11. Accuse the accusers.
That's some pretty old shtick.
But can you make it stick? ![]() |
Response to oberliner (Reply #5)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:10 PM
R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)
9. Perhaps you want to ask that of the king
who started the ball rolling.
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Response to Mosby (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:11 PM
R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)
10. Oh, I'm sure we all can.
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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:20 AM
Little Tich (6,171 posts)
12. I personally think it's important to know if the author of an article is a racist or not.
It gives a better insight into their motivations. However, racists like Kontorovich have a right to be heard, if only to be refuted by those of us who don't like racism.
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