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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,929 posts)
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 05:03 PM Mar 2023

Israelis Are Now Openly Talking About the 'Total Destruction' of the Jewish State

JERUSALEM — Ask Israelis what has taken hold of their country — which has been paralyzed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s “legislative blitz” and the massive protests it has triggered — and they’re more likely to reply with a sound than with an actual word. A grunt, or a long, drifting whistle. Very often, a deep sigh. A nervous titter accompanied by a shrug.


For most Israelis, there are no words to describe the consuming fear that, as former Mossad director Tamir Pardo puts it, the country is “on the verge of collapse.” He says his fellow citizens stand at the very precipice of “the total destruction of the state of Israel.”

He is not alone. Former PM Ehud Barak calls Netanyahu’s project “the assassination of the Declaration of Independence, which will turn Israel into a dictatorship.” If a government uses the tools of democratic rule to “destroy it from within,” Barak says, Israelis must prepare to resist. “It is not just the right of citizens; it is, in my judgment, the obligation of citizens to turn unfortunately toward civil disobedience.”

Israelis voted in a fairly placid election on Nov. 1, the fifth successive vote since 2019, when a then-recently indicted Netanyahu lost his last functional coalition. The campaign focused on inflation and post-pandemic cost-of-living issues. Now, stunned and scared, they’re making a run on foreign passports “in case Israel is no longer a viable place to live,” an Israeli television channel explained.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israelis-are-now-openly-talking-about-the-total-destruction-of-the-jewish-state/ar-AA18C7Hs

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Israelis Are Now Openly Talking About the 'Total Destruction' of the Jewish State (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2023 OP
The world is going mad... again. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #1
The Israeli sabbat hunter Mar 2023 #2
Meretz tried to unite with Avoda Israeli Mar 2023 #4
Uniting with sabbat hunter Mar 2023 #5
Elections are the last thing Israeli Mar 2023 #8
Will they split into two secular and orthodox nations?0 Ilsa Mar 2023 #6
There won't be a split Mosby Mar 2023 #7
msn needs to hire a proofreader. madaboutharry Mar 2023 #3

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)
2. The Israeli
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 06:08 PM
Mar 2023

left/center left has completely collapsed. Labor party is down to just 4 seats in the Knesset. Meretz has zero in the current Knesset.

Yesh Atid, a centrist party has 24 seats, National Unity, a mostly centrist bloc with 12. A right wing secular party of Yisrael Beiteinu with 6 seats, United Arab list, and Hadash–Ta'al, two mainly Israeli-Arab parties, with 5 seats each.

The current government consists of right wing, to far right wing nationalist/religious nationalist parties, along with UTJ, and Shas.

UTJ, and Shas in the past didn't care if the rest of the coalition was right or left wing, as long as they got their money for their yeshivas, and so their men could sit all day and read the Talmud, instead of working. But they have become even more nationalist over time, stopped supporting any centrist governments.

The Israeli left needs to unite, get out the vote. One party to represent them, and vote as a bloc.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
4. Meretz tried to unite with Avoda
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 07:48 AM
Mar 2023

before the last elections .

Even if we had it wouldnt have been enough .

What you are watching right now is a secular revolution against a
religious majority .

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)
5. Uniting with
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 10:03 PM
Mar 2023

Avoda didn't go very well unfortunately.

And if if there is a religious majority in Israel right now, there is going to be a lot of problems with getting a center/left of center coalition in a majority. It will have to be a right/center/left anti-bibi coalition running as one united list IMHO, including the Israeli Arab support.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
8. Elections are the last thing
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 06:12 AM
Mar 2023

anyone is thinking of right now .

honestly I have never seen anything like this in my 73 years .

Its unbelievable whats happening on the roads and streets across the
country .

President Isaac Herzog: “Whoever thinks that a true civil war, where human life is at stake, is a border we won’t reach has no clue. Specifically now in the 75th year of the state of Israel, the abyss is at arm’s reach.”

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
6. Will they split into two secular and orthodox nations?0
Fri Mar 17, 2023, 11:32 PM
Mar 2023

I was watching JBS last week and a host was interviewing two news editorialists, one a secular Jew, the other more Orthodox.
The secular guest was saying he has no desire to be orthodox, and neither does anyone amongst his family and friends. So Netanyahu's move toward dictatorship frighten him.

He also commented that secular Jews tend to have 1-2 children, whereas Orthodox Jews have 4 or more. He said Orthodox will be the majority in a few decades, leading to a much more conservative Likud and judiciary. He actually recommended a split of the nation.

Mosby

(16,311 posts)
7. There won't be a split
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:19 PM
Mar 2023

The Haredim rely on very large subsidies to support their lifestyle.

Israel has a somewhat high birthrate, about 6.5 for Haredim, 3.5 for secular/religious. Israeli Arabs are around 3.5, he's just dreaming if he thinks Haredim will ever be the majority.

madaboutharry

(40,211 posts)
3. msn needs to hire a proofreader.
Tue Mar 14, 2023, 07:51 PM
Mar 2023

“Israelian” is not a word. It is the Israeli government, not the Israelian government. JFC.

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