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There is no chance for peace with Netanyahu (Original Post) orangecrush Nov 2023 OP
Totally. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #1
I was furious after seeing October 7 carnage orangecrush Nov 2023 #9
Bibi needs war and Hamas to cling to power. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #15
Same play orangecrush Nov 2023 #27
I'm hoping after Israel gets rid of Hamas once and for all, jimfields33 Nov 2023 #2
Netanyahu had to change his underwear orangecrush Nov 2023 #5
Just get rid of Hamas period! jimfields33 Nov 2023 #12
Not gonna happen orangecrush Nov 2023 #14
Yes but 10/7 changed everything. jimfields33 Nov 2023 #16
Want to get rid of Hamas orangecrush Nov 2023 #18
they are not exterminating a city LymphocyteLover Nov 2023 #34
Bye orangecrush Nov 2023 #37
That is NOT going to happen Warpy Nov 2023 #22
According to the video orangecrush Nov 2023 #23
Tragedy foretold. AloeVera Nov 2023 #29
Kick and Recommend Stuart G Nov 2023 #3
The video is enlightening orangecrush Nov 2023 #7
Not the man for the hour. Sneederbunk Nov 2023 #4
In the video while he was in power orangecrush Nov 2023 #6
Thanks for posting this!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2023 #8
Most welcome, hopefully 911 orangecrush Nov 2023 #11
Agree claudette Nov 2023 #10
Soaked in blood orangecrush Nov 2023 #13
Yes claudette Nov 2023 #20
"There is no chance for peace with Netanyahu" enid602 Nov 2023 #17
Good point orangecrush Nov 2023 #19
Bibi never looked a gift horse in the mouth...he sees all wars as a way to grab more land. PortTack Nov 2023 #21
Israel was nearly in revolt orangecrush Nov 2023 #24
Oh I get it...ignore the warnings that an attack is imminent...he knew what the outcome would be PortTack Nov 2023 #33
He didn't start the fire but he keeps it burning. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #25
Israel has the power to end this orangecrush Nov 2023 #26
And pours gasoline on it. AloeVera Nov 2023 #28
It goes on and on and on and on and ........ twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #30
So it goes. AloeVera Nov 2023 #32
What chance of peace is there when Hamas promises to continue terrorist attacks, no matter what? keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #31
Just FYI about this video Lithos Nov 2023 #35
What was historically inaccurate orangecrush Nov 2023 #36
Ask yourself this question Lithos Nov 2023 #38

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
1. Totally.
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:14 PM
Nov 2023

Biden should put his efforts into getting him to quit.

He is bringing about widespread devastation and I doubt he gives a shit.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
9. I was furious after seeing October 7 carnage
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:31 PM
Nov 2023

Now I see it's not just Hamas who benefits.

And I seem to recall reading that Netanyahu had moved most of Israels security force away from the Gaza border.

To wit -

"In the early hours of Saturday, October 7, Israelis living near the border with Gaza awoke to the sounds of Hamas fighters killing and kidnapping their neighbors. As the hours stretched on and they hid, terrified, their frantic text messages contained versions of this question: where is the army?

To answer that question, we need to travel to the West Bank.

Watch the video above to better understand how Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s obsessive focus on the West Bank has left Israelis everywhere vulnerable."

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https://www.vox.com/videos/2023/10/16/23919562/israeli-army-october-7-hamas-attack

It's worth a trip to YouTube to watch this.

jimfields33

(15,829 posts)
2. I'm hoping after Israel gets rid of Hamas once and for all,
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:14 PM
Nov 2023

Cooler heads will prevail. Hamas needs to go in the scenario though.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
5. Netanyahu had to change his underwear
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:17 PM
Nov 2023

When Trump got "elected", he was so happy.

It's in the video, he was with Trump and he looked like he was on Viagra.

Hamas and Netanyahu prop each other up.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
14. Not gonna happen
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:54 PM
Nov 2023

With Netanyahu.

That's what Netanyahu said he was going to do like 3 times this situation repeated itself.

jimfields33

(15,829 posts)
16. Yes but 10/7 changed everything.
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:58 PM
Nov 2023

Keep in mind Israel has only been at this less than a month. Heck Ukraine is over a year. Be patient with Israel and you’ll see results. Already they killed top humas personnel. Hopefully more to come. It’s a must they rid themselves of Hamas. It’s important for the world.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
18. Want to get rid of Hamas
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 03:02 PM
Nov 2023


You can't do it by exterminating the most densely populated city in the world.

Eliminate Netanyahu's power, eliminate Hamas support, then it becomes a lot simpler.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
22. That is NOT going to happen
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 04:10 PM
Nov 2023

Not even if they genocide all males in Gaza.

People on both sides who think they can slaughter their way to some sort of victory are the problem. They always are, all over the planet.

I'm watching Israel squander the good will it once had by overkill. That's the larger tragedy here.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
23. According to the video
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 04:23 PM
Nov 2023


Global condemnation due to overkill is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST 3 TIMES.
It is Netanyahu.

AloeVera

(898 posts)
29. Tragedy foretold.
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 05:28 PM
Nov 2023

The West knew who he is.

Some of us despaired from the beginning. We knew what was coming.

It has to stop.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
7. The video is enlightening
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:21 PM
Nov 2023


Thank you, Stuart G.

Hamas and Netanyahu have worked the angles for too long.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
6. In the video while he was in power
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:19 PM
Nov 2023


The exact same scenario repeated like 3 times.

Hamas attacks civilians.

Netanyahu flattens Gaza.

Hamas stays in power

Netanyahu gets reelected.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
11. Most welcome, hopefully 911
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:50 PM
Nov 2023

Has taught me not to swallow bullshit hook line and sinker.

"Iraq has WMD" for example...

enid602

(8,620 posts)
17. "There is no chance for peace with Netanyahu"
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 02:58 PM
Nov 2023

A truer statement might be "There is no chance for Netanyahu with peace.' The war is keeping him out of the courts.

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
21. Bibi never looked a gift horse in the mouth...he sees all wars as a way to grab more land.
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 04:02 PM
Nov 2023

I will never understand why the Israelis voted this jerk back in!

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
24. Israel was nearly in revolt
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 04:27 PM
Nov 2023

Last edited Sun Nov 5, 2023, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)



Of course, the Hamas attack put a quick stop to that ...

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
26. Israel has the power to end this
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 05:03 PM
Nov 2023


Once and for all

It starts with cleaning up their side of the street.

After that, the rest would be easy.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
31. What chance of peace is there when Hamas promises to continue terrorist attacks, no matter what?
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 07:00 PM
Nov 2023

What chance of peace is there when Hamas promises to continue terrorist attacks, no matter what?

Doesn't it take two for peace?

I would like to see peace.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
35. Just FYI about this video
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 10:58 PM
Nov 2023

It has words, it has commentary - it is not very deep. This is a distribution of Secret Wars put out by Sky History - which is the UK's branding of the History Channel. It is meant as entertainment, not history.

As for the OP's comment about this is an attempt by Netanyahu to stay relevant - the same is said about Hamas who was about to lose a lot of relevancy with the Israeli-Saudi peace treaty. Both of them are extreme RW Nationalists and both follow the playbook.

https://www.history.co.uk/shows/ancient-aliens/articles/10-facts-about-the-ancient-aliens-guy

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
38. Ask yourself this question
Mon Nov 6, 2023, 06:37 PM
Nov 2023

Do you think you can accurately condense and communicate 100+ years of history down into 45 minutes, and do so without losing significant information - especially when your goal is entertainment first, historical correctness secondary and without creating a bias?

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