Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumFor Palestinian Kids in Hebron, Little Joy on Back-to-School Day
By: Lena Odgaard posted on Sunday, Sep 9, 2012
HEBRON Catching up with friends, showing off new clothes and getting new books for most kids, the first day of school is exciting. But for Palestinian children who live in or go to school in the Old City of Hebron, the day is nothing to look forward to. Here, crossing checkpoints manned by heavily armed Israeli soldiers and dodging barbs and attacks from Israeli settlers are unfortunate parts of an ordinary school day.
On Sunday morning (Sept. 2) little girls sporting new dresses, shiny shoes and braided hair, boys in blue shirts, and teenage girls in blue and white school uniforms flocked to the otherwise usually quiet and empty Shuhada street in H2. Israels military closed all the shops and sealed off the Old Citys main artery to Palestinian traffic after the 2000 Intifada to avoid recurring clashes between Palestinians and Jewish settlers between 600 and 800 live in the midst of 35,000 Palestinians. Only settler vehicles can use that street.
At one of the many checkpoints controlling passage from the Palestinian-managed side of Hebron, known as H1 to H2, eight soldiers watched as children, parents and teachers crossed through the beeping metal detector. An 8-year-old girl walked nervously through from H1 and started running as soon as she passed the armored vehicle parked next the checkpoint. A boy, 6, clung to his fathers hand and kept looking over his shoulder toward the soldiers. A group of 6- to-12-year-old girls, who reside in H2, ran down the hill toward the checkpoint while making sure to keep as much distance from the soldiers as possible. The children were heading for the Cordoba school, which is the only school still open for Palestinian children in the H2 area.
Monitoring potential rights violations in the highly volatile part of the city were Chris Cox and Eero Mäntymaa, volunteers with the international organization EAPPI. Cox remarked on the soldiers checking the backpacks of even very young children, even though the school has asked them not to because it frightens the pupils. Many residents in H2, including children, are used to crossing checkpoints, but some still react very strongly. Said Mäntymaa: "Children react how they react, often by crying, and they remind you that it is not normal to have a gun pointed to your face."
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http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/grim-back-to-school-day-for-hebr.html
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... manage to snap a picture of a kid NOT smiling on the way to school?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)wearing...
My bad.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... but I don't remember a lot of happy boys and gals walking to school after the end of holidays.
I guess that's just one more thing to blame on the Jews.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The title of the video is inaccurate the West Bank is not Israel but there is definitely apartheid being practiced there by Israelis
King_David
(14,851 posts)I bought a little " Apartheid " spice at the kosher deli to make Matza Apartheid soup and Apartheid cake at my parents Apartheid house , this Apartheid Rosh Hashana on Sunday night.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)thanks for the examples
King_David
(14,851 posts)People mainly use the term when trying to de legitimize The Jewish State... It's used predominantly by ultra radical right wingers and left wingers too .
A democratic candidate including President Obama would NEVER use the term Apartheid in the same breath as Israel .
( especially not in Florida or New York or California )
I am always constantly amazed to see such radicalism used on DU , a site purporting to support the ideals of our Democratic Party in our country.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but I see you've changed your stance from DU being a "progressive" website to now only purporting to represent the what you claim to be the Democratic Party hard line, but really I do not understand your comments about New York which is a Blue state along with California which is also Blue Florida alone is a swing or really Red state so could you explain further why you chose those states?
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Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Can you explain the differences between apartheid and run-of-the-mill discrimination as understood by the "progressives" you mention here?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ethnic identity one glaring example is that Israeli civilians in the West Bank are allowed to possess and carry firearms including M-16's whereas Palestinians civilians are not, note PA security personnel are not civilians
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)If you define apartheid by having different laws according to ethnicity then what differentiates it from standard discrimination, like what we saw in the USA prior to the civil rights act?
Aside from that, isn't the example you gave a differentiation based on nationality (aka: citizenship), not ethnicity?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and you could quite rightfully call what are known as 'Jim Crow" laws apartheid as to what could seem an attempt at justifying that could well be but it changes nothing in this case you have 2 groups living under the jurisdiction with different laws governing them according to nationality or citizenship as you call it
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)apartheid hinges on the concept of segregation. In this expanded sense, it seems to be more centered around the concept of enforcing different rules for different groups, regardless of the presence of segregation, correct? And while traditional apartheid referred to the policy of segregation specifically between different races, this newer definition seems to include any of the categories that discrimination is frequently applied to, like citizenship, ethnicity, religion, etc., instead of just race, right? (As you said, "2 groups living under the jurisdiction with different laws governing them according to..."
So here's my problem with this definition of apartheid. According to it, a great deal of nations and institutions clearly qualify as practitioners of apartheid! To start, every Arab state. Jordan has different "levels" of citizenship, Lebanon treats Palestinian refugees very differently, the Saudis practice sexism, etc. Also Iran for similar reasons, both sexist and religious. Palestine, obviously, with their regulations against selling land to Israelis.
Beyond those obvious ones, America is next, for its distinct rules regarding citizens versus greencard holders versus illegals. Not to mention the legal discrimination faced by the LGBT community. Within America there are institutions like the universities who determine entrance credentials via a system that weights them differently depending on things like race and legacies. Once accepted, different groups pay different amounts depending on where they are from. In state tuition is far lower than out of state. Not to mention insurance agencies which discriminate according to criteria such as gender and age.
Lastly is the UN itself which discriminates against certain states based on political considerations. Israel, for example, is the only state denied the opportunity to sit on the UN security council based on a combination of politics and (far moreso) religious persecution. If Israel were not a Jewish state, but instead a Muslim one, there is no question it would be admitted to its regional group and eventually allowed to sit on the UNSC.
Now, when the UN can not even rid itself of apartheid, then doesn't the term begin to lose much of its significance? If everyone and everything practices apartheid, is it even really bad anymore?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to meaninglessness, but if all is actually true then there should be no problem what so ever with calling Israel's rule over the West Bank Palestinians apartheid
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)By warping the definition of apartheid to the extent that Israeli policy falls under it you so dilute its meaning as to rob it of any impact or uniqueness. Sure Israel practices your uniquely defined version of apartheid. But so what... so does my cat.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in the West Bank, Desmond Tutu would agree but gee what does he know about apartheid right?
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)If I deviated please show me where. Discrimination by law against a group based on characteristics like nationality and citizenship, right? So what did I do incorrectly?
Desmond Tutu may know about apartheid, but I have no idea if he knows anything about the I/P conflict. I do know that logically it is not possible to accuse Israel of apartheid while excusing any of the Arab nations of the same crime, including the Palestinians. And if there are any Palestinians being victimized by apartheid there can be no question that the refugees in Arab states fit the bill more so than anything happening in the OPT. Why do you suppose DT is ignoring those but singling out Israel?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)of course making Israel the victim at every opportunity you created, such as the UNSC the reason Israel has not been on it is that Israel is not a member of any regional group BTW there are about 70 countries that have not been on the UNSC and Israel chose not be a member of the ME regional group
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)answer my questions regarding your new apartheid definition. What about my understanding of your definition was incorrect? Since you consider Israel to be an apartheid practitioner would you also categorize Arab states like Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia as practicing apartheid? What about America's occupation of Iraq? Is than an example of apartheid as well? (Since there are areas within the occupied territory that are closed off to almost all (and certainly all regular), Iraqi civilians and are only accessible by Americans, both soldiers AND the civilian contractors, journalists and NGO workers who are currently living there.)
This has nothing to do with Israel being portrayed as a victim... it has to do with your insistence on perverting the meaning of a term that has very specific connotations for the sole purpose of making Israel appear to be worse both than other nations and than it actually is. But you seem to be running into trouble. Not only is your definition of apartheid vastly different than the original meaning, but you don't seem to be able to nail down an exact meaning that would make it applicable to Israeli actions without it also describing just about every other state as well.
Are you even pretending that you are defining apartheid according to an independent set of criteria that is derived from ANYTHING but Israeli policies and actions? Why don't you just abandon these shenanigans and come right out and say that apartheid is now defined as any unpopular actions/policies undertaken by Israel WRT the Palestinians. That would solve all of your problems right there.
The way I see it, you are only going to have a problem getting apartheid's definition to refer solely to Israeli actions and no one else's if you are still hung up on the word actually meaning something to someone, somewhere.
So by all means, fire away!!!! I genuinely can't wait to see how you decide to resolve this.
edit: Oh and just for the record, Israel is forbidden from joining their regional group. It's not that Israel just decided that they didn't want to join it for some reason. It's that they are not allowed to for obvious political reasons. And it is an EXCELLENT example of how Israel is discriminated against at the UN. Having policies that result in Israel alone being singled out and denied access to many of the most important and influential roles available to member states seems to be a blatantly obvious result of anti-Zionist/anti-Semitic discrimination at the UN. Anti-Semitism at the UN is hardly an unheard of occurrence. I mean, the UN Human Rights Commission actually went on record with a statement that Jews killed non-Jewish children to make unleavened bread for Passover. Does that strike you as being particularly unbiased?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and under the way I defined it which if you will remember despite your spin was 2 groups of people living under the same authority (government) with different laws being applied to them based on ethnicity or nationality
your UN example does not fit because the UN is applying the same rules to all including Israel, your Palestinian not being able to sell land to Israel's does not fit either because the Palestinian law only works in Area A (17%) of the West Bank where Palestinians have total control and I am sure no0 other country in the whole wide world has laws against selling territory to foreigners the other 83% of the west Bank is to one degree or another under Israeli control and the law simply does not apply or can not be enforced
but lets take a look at the dictionary definition of apartheid
a·part·heid
[uh-pahrt-heyt, -hahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
(in the Republic of South Africa) a rigid policy of segregation of the nonwhite population.
2.
any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apartheid
mine was worded differently but fits under #2 quite well
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)So Israel IS allowed to apply to sit on the UNSC like every other state? Think carefully.
your Palestinian not being able to sell land to Israel's does not fit either because the Palestinian law only works in Area A (17%) of the West Bank where Palestinians have total control
And Israel's laws only work in the remainder. So are both apartheid or are neither apartheid?
and I am sure no0 other country in the whole wide world has laws against selling territory to foreigners
My point exactly. All states have rules that teat non-citizens differently. Thus, according to your definition every state in the world is apartheid.
mine was worded differently but fits under #2 quite well
Your has nothing to do with #2 which is about segregation. Yours was about applying different laws to different groups that live under a SINGLE system... not about segregating two groups into two systems.
And you ever did word yours anyway. What is this definition of yours anyway? Let's see it all spelled out.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israel could have normalized relations with Arab countries in 2002 but chose to hange on to the West Bank instead
as to states treating noncitizens differently it may come as a surprise but the West Bank is not Israel so that does not apply Israelis living there are not living in Israel
as to spelling out how I defined apartheid I have done so twice sorry if you can not comprehend that
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)How do you figure? Your rationale for saying that the UN's rules do not discriminate against Israel is the same one that defends the illegality of gay marriage on the grounds that gays have the same exact rights as straight people do... they are equally entitled to marry members of the opposite sex, therefore no discrimination exists. Both examples remind me of the Anatole France quote "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich and the poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." The argument that since everyone abides by the same UNSC requirements no discrimination exists, deliberately ignores the fact that any criteria that was imposed so a specific party could be excluded, and thus denied rights, is evidence of a discriminatory system. Or do you feel that the US federal laws regarding gay marriage isn't discriminatory either?
Israel could have normalized relations with Arab countries in 2002 but chose to hange on to the West Bank instead
That's just speculation. Regardless, no other nation's right to apply for a UNSC seat is contingent on their country committing to certain policies. The most outright criminal states on the planet are eligible for UNSC seats and no one has ever suggested otherwise. That's because excluding individual states from the process of engaging at the UN hurts the entire institution.
as to states treating noncitizens differently it may come as a surprise but the West Bank is not Israel so that does not apply Israelis living there are not living in Israel
Can you explain this reasoning in a little more detail? It seems like you are saying that discrimination can only be considered apartheid if it occurs OUTSIDE of the borders of the state in question? So when Israel treats non-citizens by different rules in Tel Aviv, that is just non-controversial law being applied... but when Israel does it in the OPT it is apartheid?
Also, you previously said that Jim Crow laws could have been considered apartheid, but that occurred within US territory. And obviously South African apartheid occurred within the borders of South Africa. Are you saying that having different laws for citizens versus non-citizens within the borders of a state is totally fine, but doing so outside of the state's borders is apartheid?
as to spelling out how I defined apartheid I have done so twice sorry if you can not comprehend that
No, you haven't really done so in any kind of clear fashion. You copies the dictionary definition of it, but it seems that you are using an expanded meaning of the word that is significantly different than the original definition. Why don't you just write it out clearly and simply so that we can have a discussion about whether Israel meets the criteria or not. Because right now it seems like you are deliberately keeping the definition somewhat fluid, so you can change it as the discussion dictates. Posting a clear definition ensures that we'd both be using the same reference, which would cut down on any misunderstandings over what actions even qualify as apartheid.
For example, can you tell me if you would consider the following an example of apartheid? In Israel, different laws apply depending on what religion/ethnicity you are. If you are Jewish and are not Haredim, you are required to serve in the army (or perform civil service for an equivalent time), but if you are an Israeli Arab this commitment is not mandatory. Furthermore, Jewish Israelis are then required to be a part of the reserve service for many more decades. These commitments are dangerous, time consuming and are unfairly distributed among Israel's population according to ethnicity. Is this an example of apartheid against Israel's Jewish population?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)hmmm that a countries citizenship laws do not apply outside its borders seems to confuse you so much if that is really the case then I can not continue with that spin it anyway you like
and you think the UN should change its rules to favor Israel, well that is no surprise but it most likely will not happen call that what ever you like I my self favor Henry
as to Israel's nonJews not being required to serve in its military how do you explain that Orthodox are not at the moment either seems the Israeli government is mulling that one and you conveniently leave out the social welfare benefits gained from serving in the military now nonJews are allowed to serve but not required to serve the Jewish State in the same manner as nonOrthodox Jews are perhaps that apartheid against both NonJews and Orthodox Jews?
but please do continue this spinning is fun kind of like a carnival ride
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)you giving me that comprehensive definition of apartheid before we go on. Do you think you can commit to that?
Also, when you don't use punctuation it becomes very difficult to understand you. I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean.
hmmm that a countries citizenship laws do not apply outside its borders seems to confuse you so much if that is really the case then I can not continue with that spin it anyway you like
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there for Israels laws treating those living in the West Bank with Israeli citizenship differently from those living in the West Bank without Israeli citizenship is apartheid, then what more can I say
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)The occupied west bank falls under Israeli jurisdiction and the parts that are entirely under Israel's sovereignty, have settlements on them and/or are legitimately disputed are clearly subject to Israel's laws. But that's kind of besides the point.
Israels laws treating those living in the West Bank with Israeli citizenship differently from those living in the West Bank without Israeli citizenship is apartheid, then what more can I say
You can explain why you think so. The OPT is occupied land. Can you think of ANY examples of previous occupations where the indigenous people living under occupation had equal and identical rights and privileges as the occupiers? Your definition of apartheid would work much better if not for your inclusion of "citizenship/nationality" as one of the criteria that we can use to judge apartheid's existence. Governments ALWAYS apply a different set of laws to citizens of their state versus non-citizens. It is not usually an indication of any sort of bigotry. It is merely the way our world is structured.
It bears noting that the OPT is not under a single ruling authority but has two authorities with shared authority and sovereignty over different parts of the area. How could Israel possibly avoid treating the two groups differently?
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Now then, you ignored my most important questions... can you offer a comprehensive definition of apartheid? Do you consider Arab states like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon to be apartheid states? And what are your thoughts on America's Federal laws WRT gay marriage? Is it non-discriminatory because the same rules apply to everyone? Or is it an example of apartheid because only straight people are allowed to marry and derive the many benefits from the union?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)nor is it considered to be part of Israel, Israel was granted authority on a temporary basis under Oslo, but that does not make it sovereign Israel no matter how much word salad you may top that with
as to me giving you my definition of apartheid I have done that at least twice
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)So it isn't Israel, big whoop. You have still neglected to explain why this means that Israel's policy constitutes apartheid. The argument you seem to be making is that certain Israeli policies are unequivocal examples of apartheid when enforced outside of Israel's borders, but are common, unremarkable rules when enforced within Israel's borders. Is this correct?
as to me giving you my definition of apartheid I have done that at least twice
Well, you gave me two entirely different definitions. You have yet to offer a comprehensive definition of exactly what the practice of apartheid actually is and is not. It seems to me that you are reluctant to outline an exhaustive, definitive meaning of apartheid because then I will hold you to it. Since you have also been asserting that this expanded definition is commonly accepted within the progressive movement, you know that once you commit to a specific definition I will surely begin investigating whether it really is a commonly understood progressive definition of the word.
Why are you so scared to just write it out? If you expect people to avoid practicing apartheid then you will HAVE TO eventually tell them exactly what apartheid is. It really isn't fair to demand that people avoid committing a crime if the definition is a secret. Especially since it appears that the exacts same set of rules/laws can be considered apartheid in one place, but not so if you simply move one mile due West.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)seeing as how I've written it twice I'm hardly scared just tiring of playing games
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)there are A LOT of exceptions to your rules for identifying apartheid. For some reason having different rules for Israelis versus Palestinians in the OPT signifies apartheid (being committed by the Israeli government.) But enforcing those same laws, against the same groups, only within Israel's borders is NOT apartheid. Right?
So then what about the situations in Arab states with sizable Palestinian refugee populations? Those refugees have never been granted citizenships despite their having lived there for several generations, and are subject to entirely different (and far harsher) sets of laws than those imposed on the officially recognized citizens of said states. Do you consider any of those to be examples of apartheid?
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)that the arabs and the haredim are VICTIMS of apartheid because they are granted preferential treatment via the luxury to choose whether to serve in the IDF (and gain the benefits that go along), national service, or neither? You consider any special rights granted to a group to be a form of apartheid?
Do you always consider it apartheid whenever a group has different laws applied to it because of the group's ethnicity/nationality/race/etc? Even when those laws are beneficial and were sought after by the group in question?
Do you consider the Palestinian or Lebanese governments to be apartheid, or is it just Israel?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but once again may I remind you that you are the one that threw that in I was wondering why thanks for answering that question
special rights yes I am sure Israel would greatly enjoy having its Arab population equally represented in IDF, yes IDF with 20% of its soldiers being Palestinians with Israeli citizenship would certainly make the 'other' 80% of Israelis feel oh so much more secure, it's a good idea should be pursued
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)We aren't debating whether or not equality is always a good idea in every scenario, I am asking you if Israel's draft policies are examples of apartheid in your opinion? (Seeing as how they are based entirely on ethnicity and/or religion). Additionally, since in this case the Palestinians were granted the far more desirable outcome, can we still consider it apartheid? (As the "victims" are the empowered majority.)
IOW, is it enough that "different" rules apply? Or must they also effect a negative outcome before the term "apartheid" is applicable? Which would indicate that apartheid can occasionally cause a positive outcome for the oppressed minority.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and that is where we differ that exclusion is not IMO positive and in fact lends itself to Palestinians with Israeli citizenship being cast as the other in Israel not really part of us
Now as to the Haredi exclusion that again is different and mainstream Israeli Jews feel it an unfair privilege, does it constitute apartheid, not in my opinion because while they are indeed not required to serve they can in both cases if they choose to, it is that choice that makes the difference
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)eta but you seem to either miss or ignore the mandatory which is the difference
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Namely the Israeli Jews, who are forced to serve one way or another. And of course exclusion from mandatory service is a positive thing. That's why the Haredim have pursued it so aggressively.
Now, the Israeli Jews have no option to decline the draft or the reserve. They are all required to serve, both risking their lives and donating a significant fraction of their lives to the army. Seeing as how only the Jews (and Druze) have to do this, it is a fairly clear-cut example of Israel's practice of imposing different rules on different according to their ethnicities and no other criteria. So according to my understanding of your definition of apartheid, (2 groups of people living under the same authority (government) with different laws being applied to them based on ethnicity or nationality), in this regard, Israeli Jews are victims of apartheid policies imposed by the government.
So, are we in agreement? (That Israeli Jews are victims of apartheid according to your working definition of apartheid?)
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that exclusion is not IMO positive and in fact lends itself to Palestinians with Israeli citizenship being cast as the other in Israel not really part of us
If participating in the IDF and then later reserve service is actually a sought after perk, then why are the participation rates amongst Arabs and Haredim so markedly dismal?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in IDF then your claim of apartheid is null and I agreed to nothing
as to why don't more Palestinians with Israeli citizenship or Haredi serve there would be different reasons the Haredi as I understand (and I am sure you'll correct me ) don't because they pursue religious study and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship do not for a variety of reasons including I am sure not wanting to be a part of the occupation that said I believe all should be required to serve, and there are non-Orthodox even secular Israeli Jews who do not wish to serve either some do anyway, some leave the country, some go to jail, and some seem to fly under the radar as it were, so serving against ones will would hardly be an excuse here
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)It goes without saying that members of the armed forces (both present and past) are granted special benefits for doing so. That's not just in Israel, it is seen in every country I can think of. That Israel does it too is hardly some big secret conspiracy. They also pay their soldiers, while neglecting to pay citizens who are not their soldiers. This is hardly controversial stuff.
So why isn't this an example of apartheid? It meets every single one of your criteria PERFECTLY! The benefits you mentioned are fully available to any non-Jewish Israeli who wants them. They just have to join the IDF. It's entirely up to them. But if you are Jewish you are not given a choice. You are required to serve. That there are positive aspects to having served such as different sorts of social welfare benefits, in no way negates the fact that Israel's government enforces different laws for different ethnic groups. Despite the fact that EVERYONE in Israel benefits from the security that the army provides, only ONE of those groups is called upon to make the necessary sacrifices.
One authority. Several different ethnic/religious/national groups. Different laws for each group, resulting in a drastically uneven level of sacrifice relative to the equal level of security enjoyed by all. This would appear to be a slam dunk of an example using the definition of apartheid you outlined in comments #13 and #15.
I did not realize that there were random exceptions to the criteria of Apartheid identification! See, this is why I specifically asked for a comprehensive definition... it seems like what is and what isn't considered apartheid is constantly changing; or maybe the rules surrounding identifying apartheid has a lot less to do with THE WHAT (as in, "What injustice is happening, and does it meet the criteria to qualify as apartheid?" , and almost everything to do with THE WHO (as in, "Who is being accused of apartheid and who is doing the accusing?"
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)A because nof the benefits involved
B because there is a choice Arabs and Haredi can join if they want
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)I realize that it is not an example of anti-Arab apartheid... my point is that it is anti-Jewish apartheid.
You keep saying that because the Jews get benefits it does not qualify as apartheid. But you have not even attempted to explain why. Why does the existence of measly benefits nullify what can only be described as an example that PERFECTLY met every qualifier you required in the identification of apartheid?
You are basically saying that all anyone needs to do to avoid the label of apartheid is offer the groups being oppressed some cheap token "prize" for allowing themselves to be freely discriminated against. So let's say I'm a real estate developer and I only want to sell my houses to Jewish people. So I bribe a local politician who passes a law stating that only Jews are allowed to buy property on Mount Awesome, (despite the fact that everyone's shared tax revenue was used towards the construction.) It might seem like I'm in danger of being labeled as promoting apartheid, right? Have no fear, because I mailed every, single non-Jew who's being discriminated against a stale sugar cookie as compensation.
And how can it be apartheid if you receive a benefit from it, right? And since only non-Jews qualify for this limited edition cookie-shaped benefits package* it clearly is not apartheid. (Since when does apartheid hand out sugar cookies? Since NEVER, that's when!)
*"Benefits package cookie" is just a cookie and does not contain any benefits, nor is it actually a package. My company recommends that the cookie is to be used for entertainment purposes only and cautions against actually attempting to ingest said cookie, thus can not be held liable for any injuries or deaths associated with the ingestion of said "benefits package cookie".
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)still the exemption includes Orthodox Jews still still no go
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)I am not making any grand statements. I am just trying to confirm that the level of discrimination currently being experienced by secular Jews in Israel meets the criteria of actually qualifying as apartheid.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And by a 4-2 margin no less.