Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumTHERE IS NO FUTURE..."If someone says we have to talk peace, he’s considered extreme left."
Xpost (by kpete) from Editorials. Seems to come from Haaretz originally."If someone says we have to talk peace, hes considered extreme left."
Israeli broadcaster Shlomi Eldar gave Ha'aretz an important interview, in which he talked about some things that Americans are not allowed to discuss:
Nowhere good.
We are on a nothing-to-lose track. Which is why I say there is no future. When I told the high school class that we have to look at them as human beings, one boy jumped up and said, Who do you vote for? Youre extreme left, no? I replied, It would surprise you to know who I vote for. But thats not the point. The point is that we in Israel have reached a situation in which if someone says we have to talk peace, hes considered extreme left.
http://www.arabist.net/blog/2013/1/20/there-is-no-future.html
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Sad.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and there's no light at the end of this tunnel
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Who would have predicted Barack Obama before they knew of Barack Obama?
As the Robot says, it would be easy to take satisfaction in being right, I've been chewed on for ten years here for saying this was where it was going. But I'd much prefer they had worked things out, along the '67 borders, along the lines of Oslo, along the lines of "we have to live together so we ought to get started", along the lines or respect and sharing, they were not that far away 20 years ago. Then they could have both had a future. Now we have fundies duking it out, wall to wall, from Algeria to Iran and everywhere in between.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you could see it coming but I keep holding out the hope that Israeli voters will scare themselves just in the nick of time
bemildred
(90,061 posts)It happened the way it always happens, short-term thinking rules the day, it's so much simpler that way, no need to make compromises, no need to sweat over the long term consequences of present trends, no need to grow up, no need to ask questions, just keep everyone fat, dumb, and happy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just like looking at Israel's demographics leads one to conclude that Naftali Bennett will be PM one day.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)That doesn't mean anybody would have bet we'd have a two-term AA President NOW in 2002, which is what I was taking about.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Doesn't really matter who gets to wear the PM crown in Israel--the electoral coalitions make apartheid unavoidable.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Literally, everything you have written here is wrong.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)publicly piss in Obama's pool during last year's election.
Go ahead and tell us how a population that is already ultra-nationalist and that is getting moreso every year because the left isn't having children is going to decide to become a light unto humanity instead of its current course of South Africa on the Mediterranean.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And I was pretty sure Bush would make a mess, and result is some sort of counter-reaction, if that's what you mean. That's what bad drivers do, drive in the ditch.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the demographic tide against him. The demographic wind is at Bibi's back.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Educate me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the biggest difference (re. I/P issues) between the Netanyahu-Lieberman Likud-Yisrael_Beiteinu coalition and the Bennett Habayit_Hayehudi upstart is that the former is (relatively speaking) more gradualist and wily in its tactics whereas the latter is blunt and contends that it's now time to finalize the action.
Neither of these parties seek to negotiate some kind of "peace" or co-existence of equals with equals. In fact that's the furthest thing from being the case. These parties are the ideological mirrors of Islamic_Hamas. The biggest difference between these parties and Islamic_Hamas is that they command exponentially greater military power along with the blessing of the USA, so in the western media the military/policing actions that they engage in aren't called "terrorism" (and that, dear readers, is the biggest and most central spin.)
I just read a profile on Bennett describing him as a "liberal on social issues". Which goes to show how the term 'liberal' can be bastardized by political spinners and bone lazy profilers. (I *hate* the terms 'centrist', 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'progressive', etc., in political discussions - esp. when used by MSM pundits! Those words say NOTHING of substance; they only play on political spin.)