Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumPLO Executive Committee Member Expects Hamas, Islamic Jihad to Join With PLO
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/01/20/plo-executive-committee-member-expects-hamas-islamic-jihad-to-join-with-plo/
Same story:
http://www.arabnews.com/columns/reorganization-plo-key-palestinian-unity
Palestinians slouching rightward towards theocratic fascism?
How is Israel expected to make peace with Hamas and Islamic Jihad when America can't possibly do so with Al-Qaeda, and while the EU won't even allow Turkey in as a member for the past 50 years?
And yet, it's Israel's fault there's no peace.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The Arab News article is from December and cites Mohammad Shtayyeh. It also, y'know, offer an actual quote from him:
The PLOs platform includes recognition of Israel and signing of peace agreements, stances which have been rejected by Hamas and Islamic Jihad and could prove stumbling blocks to their membership.
(But hey, your boy hero Olmert was willing to scuttle his own "unshakeable non-negotiable" peace plan in order to get bedroom eyes from Avigdor Lieberman, so who can trust politicians, yeah?)
The algemeiner article is from this month and cites Ahmed Majdalani, without a quote. Instead it quotes from an anonymous propagandist blog. Which is unsurprising from a horse piss outlet that gives a platform for John Bolton, Ed Koch, and Daniel Pipes, I suppose.
shira
(30,109 posts)...so long as they lie about recognizing the Zionist entity and renouncing terror. IOW, the PA will be even more a farce once that occurs and no reasonable agreement can be expected, ever.
I have no clue what you're going on about WRT Olmert and Lieberman. I'm not sure you even know...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:14 AM - Edit history (1)
Shira, I do hate to repeat myself, but keep the fuck up.
I like the logic you have though. You're screaming your head off demanding that these organizations recognize Israel and renounce terror one minute... and yet if, by some weird (and in my estimation unlikely) stroke of fate they should ever actually do that, you just call 'em liars.
As for Olmert and Lieberman, I was just referring to how he proclaimed that nobody would ever join his coalition unless they accepted his convergence plan... and then completely threw away his convergence plan less than seven months later in order to bring Avi Lieberman into the coalition. Remember? I explained it to you. Even used sources you would find acceptable (well, back before you developed this troubling Koch-snorting habit you have)
Point being, I actually figure the PLO will sell out its principles before either Hamas or IJ will.
shira
(30,109 posts)....and work towards peace with Israel?
Olmert threw out the convergence plan because everyone was against it. From the US and UK to the Palestinians, and a lot of the Israeli populace. The most interesting thing about it is that Israel's harshest critics who say they're for an end to occupation never seem to act as if they are, as they've been against every plan for Israel to extricate itself from the W.Bank (whether partially or in total with land swaps).
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Though being a science-minded person, I'll admit that I find very few things impossible - only very improbable
And sure. Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. He ditched it because it was the only way to get Likud Beitinu into his coalition. Shit Shira, if Israeli politicians stopped doing dumb shit because of international disapproval, this group wouldn't exist on DU.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Are you really going to go there, my friend?
Israel has just as many reasons to not want peace: 350-500k of them. They're not just numbers. They're illegal's in a land not their own.
And when I have to remind that to some here, the stock answer is that Palestine is not really a country so all that stuff we have taken belongs to us.
And you have the audacity to rue that Israel is not also standing in the way of peace?
Yes, yes, please bring out the fabrications that the Palestinians don't want peace and that Israel has offered them so much back of what they have taken.
shira
(30,109 posts)...when that cannot be expected from the West WRT Al-Qaeda? The EU still refuses to allow Turkey into the fold, but Israel is at fault for not making peace with entities like Islamic Jihad and Hamas?
Israel offered an end to settlements - twice since 2000. The Palestinians rejected the offers. If it were only about land WRT settlements, the PA would have said something about that, wouldn't they?
zellie
(437 posts)Certainly not the way Hamas and IJ are now and have been forever.
Of course the PA has recognized Israel ... 20 years ago with one sentence in a letter. BFD. And none since.
Now you can believe the Palestinians want peace.( although you would hard pressed to find anything to support that) . Or it's possible they simply don't want peace and would rather continue to hope to exterminate the Jews ( you won't be hard pressed to support that.)