Hamas Official: We'll Expel or Kill All the Zionists

[oberliner]

A senior Hamas official declared on Thursday that his group intends to stick to its mission - “liberating” all of “Palestine” (meaning all of Israel).

The official, Khalil Al-Khiya, stressed that Hamas will never give up on one inch of “Palestine”. He made the comments during a memorial event for five Hamas terrorists who were killed by IDF soldiers in Gaza last week.

“This way (in which the dead terrorists acted) sends a message to the Zionists, according to which they have no place in the land of Palestine,” said Al-Khiya, who threatened, “We shall expel you from our land, we will fight on it against you, and we will either kill you or expel you from it after you surrender.”

Al-Khiya praised the “resistance” in Judea and Samaria, calling on Palestinian Authority Arabs in the region to “continue the path of Jihad.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173759#.Un6w17adNRE

Good thing he said Zionist.

[DesertFlower]

1. and that's why there will never be peace.

hamas is not good for the palestinian people.

[Scootaloo]

3. One reason among several dozen

[Igel]

4. Yup.

There's the constance recurrence of that heinous Israeli transigence to contend with.

[Scootaloo]

5. I'm sure if Hamas were to vanish, everything would be hunky-dory!

You know, just like back before the second intifada!

*Cough*

[aranthus]

7. If Hamas were to vanish some other group would take its place.

Hamas is just the most recent standard bearer for overt Palestinian rejectionism. Before that it was the PLO, and before that the Arab Higher Committee. Palestinian rejection of the Jewish state isn't going away.

[Scootaloo]

8. "Palestinian rejection of the Jewish State"

http://mapsof.net/map/jewish-settlements-in-west-bank-map

In the interest of fairness, I also looked for a map of Palestinian settlements in Israel. Didn't find any. No military bases, either. No Palestinian walls intersecting Israeli towns that Palestine is demanding be recognized as the border of Palestine. Nor is there news of Palestinian police planning to round up and expel people Jews in Ariel, as there is with the Israeli Prawer Plan to round up and deport the Bedouin villages of the Naqab.

I find it fascinating that a state that is engaged in a policy of invasion and ethnic cleansing gripes so much about its victims rejecting its legitimacy. I have to wonder what sort of reaction Israel expects, exactly. Maybe it's just that Israel understands that it has all the legitimacy of United Fruit's rule over Honduras in 1913, and so it's something of a sore subject?

[oberliner]

9. List of Palestinian suicide attacks (2003)

Tel-Aviv central bus station massacre
Death toll: 23

Haifa bus 37 suicide bombing
Death toll: 17

Jerusalem bus 6 bombing
Death toll: 7

Davidka Square bus bombing
Death toll: 17

Shmuel HaNavi bus bombing
Death toll: 23

Tzrifin bus stop attack
Death toll: 9

Café Hillel bombing
Death toll: 7

Maxim restaurant suicide bombing
Death toll: 21

Ten year anniversary of that last one was just a few weeks ago. One of the few that Hamas did not take credit for. But hey there's no walls intersecting Israeli towns, so that's good.

[King_David]

11. 'there's no walls intersecting Israeli towns'

Or cutting down trees.

[Scootaloo]

12. While those 124 Israeli lives lost are tragic, it does not change the point I made, Oberliner.

I'm not sure of you think you're making an argument, or are just trying to deflect from the issue.

[GeoWilliam750]

16. Evil

Such acts can only be described as evil.

The murder of civilians is wrong for any reason. Whilst a very large percentage of Israelis have had military training and are/were in the reserves may make these acts more acceptable in some people's minds, I do not see how that rationale holds water.

The bombers themselves are usually dead, and for their part have paid their price. However, anyone who assisted this act in any way should be punished by lengthy prison sentences (although not in concrete, I have some issues around the casual use of death penalty).

Anyone who perpetrated or assisted in such acts should not be honoured by being allowed to be a part of a peace process; they should not have streets or buildings named after them. Their names should be erased from memory.

[aranthus]

13. Denial and diversion don't solve anything or make any point.

The reason that there are no Palestinian settlements in Israel and no Palestinian walls is that the Palestinians lost the war. That says nothing about who started it and why. The fact remains that the Palestinians started this war to destroy the Jewish state, and they have continued it because they reject the right of the Jews to a state anywhere in the Levant. Of course the Israelis want that to stop. Wouldn't you?

[Scootaloo]

14. Actually, you're going a long way to reinforce my point

Thank you for that, but frankly I don't need your assistance in doing so

Palestinians lost the war? Okay. This does not entitle Israel to take what they want out of Palestine, much less sixty-five years after the fact. That you think it does - and you very clearly do - and more to the point that Israel thinks it does, thus the actions being engaged in now, puts lie to the claim that the lack of peace is the Palestinians' fault.

Israel is not a hapless, gormless innocent being shoved around. It is an expansionist, invading power bolstered by numerous foreign arms deals and alliances, receiving checks from world powers to fund its conquest of extranational territory. Yet in spite of this, your ilk keep on insisting Israel is the victim because Palestinians say mean things about it.

Sort of like how rape apologists insist the rapist is the "real victim," because people keep calling him a rapist, and she was "asking for it" anyway.

Regardless of whatever song and dance acts Hamas' talking heads engage in, there will be no peace so long as occupation and property seizure continue to be Israel's policy. This isn't a difficult thing to understand. It's so simple that even John Kerry seems to "get it."

[aranthus]

15. Why is everything so black and white with people like you?

You write: Palestinians lost the war? Okay. This does not entitle Israel to take what they want out of Palestine, much less sixty-five years after the fact. That you think it does - and you very clearly do

No I don't think that, but I understand why it makes your argument so much easier for you to pretend that I do. Let's be clear. There are two halves to this war. The Palestinian half is that they started it and continue to maintain the war because they don't want a Jewish state. The Israeli half is that Israel occupies or blockades land in the West Bank and Gaza that the Palestinians live on and have a legitimate right to statehood on. You are right that there won't be peace until the Israelis withdraw from the West Bank and let go the strangle hold on Gaza. But you are in total denial when you think that that alone will bring peace. Your denial of any legitimacy at all to Israel perceptions and positions is a fatal weakness in your argument.

[Shaktimaan]

17. Really?

You are unaware that Palestinians ethnically cleansed Jews from parts of Palestine?

Nor is there news of Palestinian police planning to round up and expel people Jews in Ariel

Ummm.... so you didn't read the OP? Hamas has been trying to exterminate all of the Jews in the entire region for decades. It's in their charter. How have you not heard of this plan?

In the interest of fairness, I also looked for a map of Palestinian settlements in Israel. Didn't find any.

That's because Palestinians are allowed to live in Israel. Unlike in Palestine where 100% of the Jewish population was either killed or expelled, there are still quite a lot of Palestinian Arabs living in Israel.

But just for the sake of argument, what about ALL of the Palestinians that went to east Jerusalem to live in 1949 after the Jews were expelled? You remember... they destroyed all of their temples, used their ancient gravestones to build latrines and basically made themselves at home in places like the Jewish Quarter. By all means tell me, how are those Jordanian Palestinians NOT the same as Israeli Jewish settlers today? What is the difference there?

[Scootaloo]

2. Hamas gonna Hamas n/t

[King_David]

10. 'Good thing he said Zionist'

LOL

Yes I bet he means JEW, Hamas don`t play all innocent with words like others do.