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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:00 PM

 

Understanding global anti-Semitism

Global anti-Semitism is a new phenomenon. It is the third major era of anti-Semitism, after the long religious one grounded in Christianity and Islam, and the modern, racist one that took full shape in the 19th century and culminated in Nazi anti-Semitism and the Holocaust. After relative quiescence during the post-Holocaust decades, when public anti-Semitism in the West was taboo, anti-Semitism began to emerge in its new, global form in the 1990s. Now it surrounds us.

Through the ages, anti-Semitism has been grounded in the foundational anti-Semitic paradigm. This has five elements: Jews are fundamentally different from non-Jews. Jews are noxious. Jews are willfully malevolent. Jews are powerful. Jews are therefore dangerous. Either implicit or explicitly stated is a sixth element: that Jews must be kept in check, at bay, or somehow eliminated.....

....Anti-Semitism, like globalization, for the first time spans the globe. There are many more anti-Semites than ever. More than 50 percent of the five hundred million people in the EU are profoundly anti-Semitic. The United States, where anti-Semitism is much lower, still has more than one hundred million people who espouse anti-Semitic notions. In the Arab and Islamic worlds, anti-Semitism is, in the countries surveyed, close to one hundred percent....

...The behind-the-scenes, stealthy manipulator of 17th-century Shylock, or the more open manipulators of nations by Jewish bankers, epitomized by the Rothschilds of the 19th century, have now in the 21st century morphed into the marauding killer Rambos crushing Palestinian children under their boots or grinding them up in meat grinders.

This can be seen in the fantastical and demonizing belief – subscribed to by more than 250 million Europeans – that Israel is conducting “a war of extermination” against the Palestinian people; a generalized, updated blood libel, recycling the canard that Jews are collectively guilty for the death of Jesus.


more @ http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Understanding-global-anti-Semitism-331104

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shira Nov 2013 OP
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shira Nov 2013 #12
Scootaloo Nov 2013 #14
shira Nov 2013 #17
shira Nov 2013 #19
azurnoir Nov 2013 #6
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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:07 PM

1. It is interesting to see how the stereotype has changed

 

"The behind-the-scenes, stealthy manipulator of 17th-century Shylock, or the more open manipulators of nations by Jewish bankers, epitomized by the Rothschilds of the 19th century, have now in the 21st century morphed into the marauding killer Rambos crushing Palestinian children under their boots or grinding them up in meat grinders."

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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:13 PM

2. Fascinating that 38% of Europe believes Israel is waging war of extermination vs. Palestinians. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:18 PM

3. That even a single person believes that is startling

 

I guess it's a credit to something. I'm just not sure what.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:48 PM

4. Interesting article

 

So. In order to convince the reader that antisemitism is a global scourge, the writer dismisses diaspoa Jews to focus on Israel. Interestingly this is a core of Zionist antisemitism, the belief that diaspora Jews - or as the rest of the world knows them, "Jews," - aren't really Jews. It's weird because the header image shows Jews in Hungary protesting against a politician who really is an antisemite... but instead of that, talks about political criticism of Israel. I guess that even though they're not "real" Jews, they're close enough to be exploited for an editorial like this.

Unfortunately, the notion that political opposition to Israel = antisemitism has been blown apart too often for the writer to prattle on about it. So - points for creativity - he casts the Palestinians as Jesus, and then claims that anyone who points out the very real war Israel is waging against these people, must therefor be accusing Jews of killing Jesus.

I've seen better construction in hobo camps.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:43 PM

5. Wha...? Zionist antisemitism? Jews aren't really Jews? Are you on crack?

 

Too much Tony Greenstein for you, I'll wager.

Antizionism is the new PC Antisemitism. Only the willfully blind who partake in the hatred deny it.

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Response to shira (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:29 PM

7. Yes, Shira

 

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Refer to your friends at masada2000.

Or, better yet, you claim to be a big fan of A.B. Yehoshua - at least you told me he's a Zionist you admire. He believes that Diaspora Judaism is "masturbation," that Jews outside Israel don't have nationalities and aren't in fact Jews, and that jews have a corrosive effect on non-Jewish society; he blames Jews for driving the Nazis crazy.

That's the Zionist perspective of Jews, Shira. if they're not in Israel, they're not really Jews. And if we apply the logic of Zionism's founding father, Theodore Herzl, who believed that hatred of Jews is inherent to the dirty goy, a picture develops of Zionists embracing the expression of antisemitism - because it's not targeting "real Jews" anyway, but might still encourage emigration to Israel.

Hell, the articl you provided here is a pretty blatant example. It wants to talk about antisemitism. Okay, it's a worthy topic. it has a header image of Hungarian Jews who really are facing an antisemitic government official. Does it talk about that? No, because 1) they're not real Jews to the article's author, only props, and 2) that's "old fashioned" antisemitism - how boring!. Much more exciting to talk about the "new" (i.e., made-up) antisemitism of people daring to question the policy of Israel's government.

That is, rather than examining and calling attention to the plight of Jews, it instead invents a straw man argument - Palestinians are Jesus and so critics of policy towards them are accusing Jews of killing Jesus - that sets Israel's government as the singular, and most important expression of Judaism. No one else counts. It's all about the people running the show in Israel, and a slight against htme is a slight against Jews worldwide - and criticism of their policy is much worse, and more deserving of exposure, than the actions of a government official who is actually trying to target his country's Jewish population; forget that shit, Bibi needs your help!

Reminds me of a slogan your philosophical ancestors in revisionist maximalism would have known and admired; Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:07 PM

12. You're arguing a straw-man, reading nonsense into the OP that isn't there.

 

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The author is writing about the new global antisemitism, that's all. And it's not about the government of Israel either. Labor/Meretz could be in control and it wouldn't be any better out there. Your view of Israel and its supporters would be the same.

BTW, I disagree completely with Yeshoshua on his view of Jews.

In my discussions with Bravenak, I mentioned how 'zionists'....in the narrow-minded view of the antizionist BDS crowd...make up about 99 - 99.99% of world Jewry. Non- and post- Zionists included. They're all zionists to the haters. Only those Jews dedicated to Israel's destruction (less than 1%) are decent Jews that the bigots tolerate. The rest are racist zionists for apartheid, colonialism, ethnic cleansing, land-theft, and genocide. They are, after all, for 2 states. They believe Israel is legitimate. How dare they support Israel's existence as a Jewish state!

The anti-zionist bds movement couldn't possibly be more prejudiced against Jews. It's PC antisemitism against nearly every Jew on the planet (except for maybe a few thousand antizionist jews). Reminds me of GW Bush lecturing at a Jews4Jesus event this week. The hundreds or maybe thousand or so Jews from that movement are like antizionist Jews, holding the belief that all other Jews (more than 99%) are wrong. GW holds to that mentality, like Ann Coulter. You hold to the same antizionist bds mentality. All the Jews (Zionists) are wrong. And you're all obsessed.

WRT Jesus being Palestinian, we're talking blood libel. Same centuries old shit. After all, nearly 40% of Europe believes Israel is conducting a war of extermination. And what does that mean other than Jews are Nazis (where have we heard that one)? The victim is now the oppressor. The Jews are crucifying Jesus (Palestinians) all over again. That's how they see Israel, as the Jews. Let's cut the bullshit. So Palestinians are helpless, innocent victims, indigenous. Jews are bad, oppressive, racist colonizers and murderous thieves. There's only one solution to this, a final one, the end of Zionism, the Jewish state, where all Jews are the enemy.

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Response to shira (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:11 PM

14. You are hilarious, Shira

 

Well, maybe not hilarious - "laughable" is a better word, perhaps.

Yes, I know what the writer is talking about. That's what I'm calling out. To make the argument of a "new antisemitism" is to not only discount real, actual antisemitism targeting Jewish people, but it also discounts those people themselves, except when they can be exploited as props. Instead, it replaces them with the government of Israel, which is placed as the pinnacle of Jewishness, the sole expression of Judaic culture and being. To argue for this "new antisemitism" is essentially to say that Israeli policy is the definition of Jewishness, and thus criticism of that policy is hatred of Jews.

Thus to claim for this "new antisemitism" shit is not only just straight-up fascism - it values the state above the people, while equating that state's government with those people - but it is also inherently antisemitic, in that it creates a narrative where all Jews are defined by Israel's actions, while Jewish experience and expression outside the context of Israeli policy is discounted, devalued, and dismissed - including, unfortunately enough, their labors with actual antisemitism.

After all. They're not real Jews, according to the Zionist narrative. Hell, even your own posts make this clear - you simply cannot bring yourself to understand that not all Jews are Israelis (A majority aren't) nor can you get it through your head that even within Israel, Israeli policy does not speak for all Jews - and certainly does not do so worldwide. And when this is pointed out to you, you seem to stick your thumbs in your ears and go "LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU'RE LYING LALALALALALALALA."

Also, interesting that you disagree with Yehoshua's view of Jews. It's funny really, because under the logic you apply to everyone else around here, your admiration of the guy makes you a Jew-hating shit. How nice that, while you are handjobbing an antisemite, you get to say "yes, but I disagree with him on that, so it's okay." Huh. How odd. Nobody else around here would be granted an out like that. Why is that?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:26 PM

17. Talking about the new antisemitism doesn't discount the old. No one is saying that....

 

The author is just making the point that whereas old types of antisemitism were limited to specific groups (religious wrt the vatican or racial wrt nazis) this one is global and unites everyone from the far fascist right to the extreme stalinist left.

But if you think the author is saying what you believe he's saying, quote him.

Yehoshua isn't antisemitic, doesn't hate jews, and certainly does not mean them any harm.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 07:06 PM

19. You don't think this new antisemitism affects individual Jews worldwide, do you?

 

Since the GOI is the target, people can say whatever they wish, demonize the zionists, religious settlers, and Israel Lobby using the oldest anti-Jewish canards from centuries past, go on to call them nazis and apartheid racists.....and that won't affect anyone's thinking towards Jews (the vast majority 99% who support Israel) one bit.

Is that right?

It's only settlers and zionists who are the targets, not Jews, right?

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Also, the goal of antizionism and bds is the destruction of Israel, which can only be achieved through war, in which the Jews would be massacred or forced out en masse into Europe. There can be no other way. The demonization campaign is incitement towards war and genocide, but you don't see anything antisemitic. I find the willful blindness fascinating.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:08 PM

6. I found the final paragraph fascinating

Finally, because nothing incites anti-Semites more than the specter of Jews being powerful, and because the global world is a world organized by the international state system, global anti-Semites relentlessly focus their ire and efforts on deprecating, demonizing and delegitimizing Israel. Many though certainly not all of them want to destroy the country
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this is because the US SoS John Kerry used the term illegitimate to describe Israels continued settlement project

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:44 PM

8. It's called the antizionist BDS movement, dear. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:51 PM

9. John Kerry is part of the antizionist BDS movement?

I mean he did say Israel was preforming illegitimate acts, or do you make ummm exceptions?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:56 PM

10. I didn't mention Kerry, you did. I'm referring to the OP. Stay on topic. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:01 PM

11. I was on topic, you replied to my comment asking how Kerry's comment fits into the

scenario your OP claims exists

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:08 PM

13. The paragraph u quoted refers to the antizionist bds movement & has nothing to do with the SoS.

 

But now that I think of it, it's one thing to call settlements illegitimate....quite another to say Israel is illegitimate and should therefore be destroyed. The former isn't antisemitic but the latter is.

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Response to shira (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:14 PM

15. But don't 'some' Israelis PM already consider the settlements part of Israel

there for saying the settlements are illegitimate would equate to the same thing, and what about the author of this can you conjure anything from him concerning how the settlements are not part of Israel, it was a for instance question on my part though, so try not to get all too uncomfortable

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:17 PM

16. So? How about getting back to the topic? n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:36 PM

18. and what topic do you choose?

I was addressing different aspects concerning the claims made in the OP such as the claimed delegitimazation of Israel, you claim he's talking about the BDS movement but oddly he doesn't seem to mention that specifically

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:05 AM

20. No

It really is because since 1948 previously weak Jews were replaced by very very very strong Jews and lots of people hate that and want us weak again . Reason number 1 and reason number (last one) for the Stare of Israel (Jewish State)

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Response to King_David (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:18 AM

21. Define "weak again"? In exact terms

exactly what do you honestly consider the map of Israel, are you willing to share that with us?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 07:55 AM

24. My post was clear,

You don't know what " weak " means?

That is all you "got " ?

Can you give me a 1000 word essay on
" my family vacation " in your own words and include any ice cream and burger stops in detail .

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Response to King_David (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 07:59 AM

25. ah okay don't wish to make an actual reply to what you consider the map of Israel to be

and what "weak" means, got it

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 08:02 AM

26. Good because I'm not sure that anyone else did.

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Response to King_David (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 08:04 AM

27. anyone else did what? I'll answer nothing to hide on the map of Israel

but weak vs strong I really don't get, unless you feel that having lot's of weaponry along with a willingness to use them makes you strong?

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Response to shira (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:41 AM

22. ‘Hitler should have killed all Jews,’ teens in Holland say

 

“What Hitler said about Jews is that there will be one day when you see that I am right that I killed all the Jews. And that day will come,” one boy says.

“The hatred for Jews is because they will try and steal someone’s country, like in Gaza,” another boy says. “They kill a lot of people,” he continues, telling the exasperated interviewer that Hitler’s killing of millions of Jews was justified “because now millions of Palestinians are being killed.”

The interviewer, clearly appalled by the attitude and responses of the youths, tries to differentiate between hatred of Jews and the geopolitical situation, saying “there are many Jews who do not agree with Israel’s policies, Many Jews.”


http://www.timesofisrael.com/hitler-should-have-killed-all-jews-dutch-teens-say/

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Response to shira (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:35 AM

23. Short Video: Is There Anti-Semitism on College Campuses?

 

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