The Anti-Semitic Stench of Pink Floyd

[King_David]

I’ve read some heavy-duty attacks on Israel and Jews in my time, but they pale beside the anti-Semitic diatribe recently offered by Roger Waters, co-founder and former front man of the legendary British rock band Pink Floyd. In an interview with CounterPunch online magazine, Waters experienced a shocking Jew-hating colonic.
According to Waters, Israel is a “racist apartheid regime” that practices “ethnic cleansing.” A great artist such as himself will not play in a country equivalent to “Vichy government in occupied France.” Likening Jews to Nazi collaborators was not enough. Waters then went further, comparing Israel to the Nazis themselves. “I would not have played in Berlin either … during the Second World War.” Waters believes that Israel is guilty of genocide, only “this time it’s the Palestinian People being murdered.”
Waters was on a roll. Israel is a “brutal and oppressive regime.” And the rabbis, oh, those murderous, racist rabbis. “The right wing rabbinate is so bizarre. They believe that everybody that is not a Jew is only on earth to serve them and the Indigenous people of the region that they kicked off the land in 1948 … since they are sub-human. The parallels with what went on in the 30’s in Germany are so crushingly obvious.”


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[pipoman]

1. A little more harsh. .

But not unlike some screeds I've read right here on DU..

[DontTreadOnMe]

2. Some people can't seem to distinuish the difference between...

anti-Zionism and anti-Semitic.

Yell out to the world Roger, the truth hurts... especially those who are oppressive.

[oberliner]

5. Which category is: "The Jewish lobby is extraordinary powerful here (in the US)..."

Not the pro-Israel lobby, not the pro-Zionist lobby, but the Jewish lobby.

Where would a statement like that land for you?

[Scootaloo]

7. I've pointed this one out before...

Look up the names of the Israel lobby groups. Roughly three-fourths of them call themselves "Jewish" this or that. That tells me they want to be identified as "The Jewish lobbies." There's a variety of reasons for this to be - mostly as a sort of cover, casting themselves and their agendas as being the will and voice of Jewish people as a whole. Sort of like how fascist think-tanks love to use the word "freedom" in their names. And of course if you speak out against those think-tanks, you must hate freedom, and if you speak out against these "Jewish lobby" groups, you must hate Jews. Cover.

While I prefer the more accurate term of Israel lobby, I'm not going to hold much complaint if someone refers to the exact same groups by the term they administer to themselves. Especially when it's clear that the person is speaking of the Israel lobby groups.

Now, if he had said "The Jews" rather than "the Jewish lobby," that'd be something. As it stands, he should tighten up for the interest of accuracy, but really, we all know damn well what he's saying and it's not antisemitic, except to those who like to exploit accusations of antisemitism.

[Bok_Tukalo]

3. Meh ... he went all Godwin

Israel is a country just like any other and if they do something as a nation others do not like, they are going to get an ear full.

You would think they would be used to it by now.

[Alamuti Lotus]

4. big fan of Waters, no real error in his comments.

The author of this is a real piece of work; after working himself up into a "nauseous" lather with the first part, the steaming pile of racist revisionism reeks of the same bigoted stench that his subject is--rather ineptly--accused of.

A couple highlights (well, lowlights) from the first section:

Waters was on a roll. Israel is a “brutal and oppressive regime.” And the rabbis, oh, those murderous, racist rabbis. “The right wing rabbinate is so bizarre. They believe that everybody that is not a Jew is only on earth to serve them and the Indigenous people of the region that they kicked off the land in 1948 … since they are sub-human. The parallels with what went on in the 30’s in Germany are so crushingly obvious.”

That's virtually a direct quote from the recently deceased Shas cult overlord and perennial kingmaker Rabbi Ovadia Yusef, who was toasted to the 9's by the entire zionist establishment at his funeral ceremony. What could Rabbi Shmuley's grounds for objection possibly be? I understand that it's a statement that puts his peers in a bad light, but that alone does not negate the--apparently prevailing--sentiment among the particularly identified segment.

The Jews are dumping a “huge bucket of crap that they are pouring into the mouth of a gullible public, in my view, when they say ‘we are afraid of Iran, it is going to get nuclear weapons’ … It’s a diversionary tactic.”

Wow, what a shocking statement. And by that, of course I refer to it being shockingly obvious. What possible objections could be raised, aside from the fact that you don't like that the effort has been noticed for what it is? Israeli leaders--and Jewish supporters of Israel in this country--have been beating that drum for decades. I read scans of Israeli newspapers from the mid 80s claiming that "Iran is 6 months away from nuclear weapons!"--I suppose crying wolf never gets old when your target audience is as gullible as the American public.

There's more low-hanging fruit in this hysteric tirade that could be skewered with little effort, but I've mostly lost interest in the OP. I rarely venture into this hasbara echo chamber anymore, and I think I just received a suitable reminder of why. Should last me another few months before I, like an Alzheimer's patient, repeat this brief foray all over again. TTFN!

[King_David]

6. I think Roger Waters has proven beyond any doubt

To be no fan of the Jews and that has nothing to do with Zionism or Israel.

All his protectors and apologists remind me of the same dudes who time after time insisted Ahmadenijet really loves us Jews but he was just mistranslated ... Time after time after time...

[DontTreadOnMe]

9. I think you should do more research on what Waters actually stands for...

So many times I have seen the quote about "the Star of David" on the pig that is flown over the audience at his concerts.

1. The pig, was a prop used in the "Animals" tour from 1977. Specifically the song "Pigs on the Wing" was the song in reference to the Pig.
Go look at the lyrics and understand "what" the pig represents.

2. Not only was the Star of David symbol on the pig, so was the Christian Cross... as well as logos like Exxon. You can't leave out that DETAIL, that the symbols and logos represent a larger piece of oppression.

3. Waters has often gone after all religions, including Catholicism.

4. atheophobia, the persecution and discrimination faced by atheists and those labeled as atheists in the past and in the current era.

[King_David]

11. Maybe read about this bigoted antiSemitic

Piece of Shits interview... Read the OP.

[Scootaloo]

8. Well, you can't expect much, when a publicity hound's blog entry is cited as a news piece

At least David managed to find someone who wasn't either fifteen years old or a burn-gays-at-the-stake preacher this time. (He's just a "gay-people-are-wrong-and-against-god's-will-but-whatever-I-guess" rabbi.)

[King_David]

10. I'm not sure wtf your going on about?

15yrs old?

Can you tell me something btw ,Why were you banned from the LGBT group here on DU ?

[King_David]

12. Here's a good read for a lot of people to challenge their biases :

5 Reasons Being an Orthodox Rabbi Compelled Me to Support Gay Marriage

I am coming out of the closet. I am an Orthodox rabbi and an advocate for gay marriage.

The history of the theological issue is complicated, but the moral issue is increasingly clear. Faith leaders must stand as public allies; private support is no longer enough. Fifteen states and counting have formally approved marriage equality. It's time that traditional faith leaders stand for gay rights, including the right to marriage.

As an Orthodox Jew, I believe the Bible was given by G-d, that Jewish law is binding, and that change in our religious practice cannot happen impetuously. It also means that I take the pervasive biblical call for justice very seriously. I am pro-gay-rights because I am an Orthodox rabbi, not in spite of it.

I only officiate at marriages between Jewish men and women according to the framework of the tradition, but I will argue (and advocate) adamantly for the political rights of gay people to marry. I believe the essence of religious conviction is that we must do what is right, not what is popular. As I have come to understand, there are five important reasons that my identity and values as an Orthodox rabbi compel me to support same-sex civil marriage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuly-yanklowitz/orthodox-rabbi-gay-marriage_b_4452154.html?ir=Religion
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[Scootaloo]

31. Alright. Someone might want to update his Wikipedia page to reflect that

His previous stated position was your tun of the mill I'm-not-a-bigot-but-god-says sort of stuff.

[King_David]

27. 15yr olds ??

What's the implication ... You need answer to this .. Especially as it was directed at a gay dude.

Also please answer me why were u banned from the LGBT group here on DU?

[Scootaloo]

29. One of Shira's articles was from a writer who was fifteen

And it was just as laughable as you'd imagine a blog from a fifteen year old to be.

And I'm banned from the LGBT forum because I called out a poster for saying some racist shit there, back when Ellen Sturtz heckled Michelle Obama. I forget exactly what it was, to be quite honest. Haven't bothered to appeal it because to be really honest, I don't have much if anything to contribute to threads I read there besides a rather pedantic thumbs-up on occasion.

I've also been banned from the Barack Obama Group because I pointed out to a poster that Syrians don't have the ability to eat heavy artillery. Y'know, back not too long ago when the members of that forum were screaming for Arab blood on a level that makes this group look positively inclusive and open-minded. And I haven't appealed that one, because it amuses me greatly and I made a point of shitting on the bridge before burning it

[King_David]

32. OK thanks,

That 15 yr old stuff needed the elaboration.

[azurnoir]

13. The author Shmuley Boteach is quite a guy ran for Congress in 2012 as a Republican

and believes in civil but not religious unions for Gays, also in his latest article condems Hollywood for being anti-Israel his example a movie called Saving Mr Banks-he also manages to condemn Emma Thompson and (of course) Anthony Bourdain while he's at it

http://observer.com/2013/12/hollywoods-war-on-israel/

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bravo-now-lets-rescue-straight-marriage/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/why-is-shmuley-boteach-running-for-congress-as-a-republican.html

[King_David]

14. But yet his views on Israel are much closer to Obamas and the Democratic Party

Than half the people posting in this forum .

Half the peoples views on Israel who post in this forum would get them expelled if it was in any official capacity and or labelled as bigots...

There are some people posting in this forum so far gone that label the Jewish State an Apartheid state--- they would be disowned and expelled and correctly labelled antiSemitic by the Democratic Party of the USA and Obama ... I am surprised Skinner tolerates it.. Unless he doesn't know?

[azurnoir]

16. I'm not sure either Boteach or Obama would agree with that

here is a small sampling of Boteach on Obama Israel and the ME

Obama’s failure of moral courage

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/obamas-failure-of-moral-courage/

The Sad Desperation of John Kerry

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/the-sad-desperation-of-jo_b_4276574.html

Obama's Secret Remarks About Netanyahu

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/obama-netanyahu_b_1086001.html

[King_David]

17. Have you seen some of the posts in this forum

Some people call the Jewish state an Apartheid state... That's closer to Stormfront Savid Duke extremist marginal right wing than it is to my Democratic Party or Obama ....

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. "Some people call the Jewish state an Apartheid state..."

More people are saying about Israel every day, dave.

Are they all going to be labeled Jew-Hating POSs by you and Shria?

[King_David]

24. Ha

Absolutely no chance any democratic candidate would have anything to do with you. You wouldn't be allowed to deliver coffee or shine shoes.

Myself with my views .. They seek my endorsement

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. I'm not running for office, Einstein, and your lone opinion is

duly noted.

[azurnoir]

44. Really which Democratic candidates have sought your endorsement com'on don't be shy

name names

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. My poor, sweet, misguided dave...

There are some people posting in this forum so far gone that label the 1 Jewish State an Apartheid state--- they would be disowned and expelled and correctly 2labelled antiSemitic by the Democratic Party of the USA and Obama ... 3I am surprised Skinner tolerates it.. Unless he doesn't know?

1. I only know of you and Shira that call it the Jewish State. Most everybody else that I have seen posting here calls Israel Israel.

So we label Israel an apartheid state. It has a nice ring to it once you realize the reality of...the...apartheid state. We don't bring religion into it...at least I don't.

2. Who fekking cares what you believe? It's your opinion, and what most posters here have said is that Israel is an apartheid state. I would dare any Democrat, or Obama, to prove that wrong given historical context: how the USA enabled SA apartheid for as long as it did. It would be an interesting beer summit to say the least.

3. If you really believe that Skinner hasn't seen this group then I really don't know what you have been toking on.

[King_David]

41. 'I only know of you and Shira that call it the Jewish State'

Your kidding right ?


Obama said :"The state of Israel does not exist because of the Holocaust, but with the survival of a strong Jewish state of Israel, such a holocaust will never happen again."

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

43. Way to cherry pick, dave. Try reading the whole line. Here it is.

1. I only know of you and Shira that call it the Jewish State. Most everybody else that I have seen posting here calls Israel Israel.

[azurnoir]

45. what really isn't being admitted too is this

on DU2 conflating Israel and Jews was strictly not allowed, nor was conflating Palestinian/Arab/Muslim with terrorists ect and netted a couple of posters a number of deleted comments

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. Well, to be honest, it doesn't really seem that the rules are enforced WRT

a lot of the I/P guidelines. Do we still have a moderator?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Oh, behave.

Pointing that out might result in another embarrassment and self-post deletion for dave.

We wouldn't want to have to drop reality on him.

[King_David]

18. Roger Waters called the Jewish state an Apartheid state

That in itself compared to Obama is extremist right wing Stormfront type of talk.

The Jew hating POS belongs in the trash with other extremist right wingers.

He wouldn't be welcomed by my President Obama and nor the USA Democratic Party of the USA ...

Anyone calling the Jewish state a nazi state or an apartheid state would be welcomed with open arms by the David Duke type critters.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. I was thinking the same thing.

It's not enough that the denials on their part get more shrill, but now the same crude language is replacing anything meeting the basic requirements of sanity.

Criticize Israel's wrongs: "You hate Jews."

Expose the apartheid state: "You hate Jews."

Give an interview to a paper critical of Israel: "You're a Jew-hating POS!"


I think that the haters are on a roll.

[King_David]

25. Agree with you here mr.

As you said :

"Expose the apartheid state: "You hate Jews."

100% correct --

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. I'm glad that you're owning up to your irrational hatred.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

20. Many have called Israel an apartheid state, Sherlock.

I have.

That does not make Waters or anybody else that calls Israel an apartheid state...as you call them "The Jew hating POS" simply because that is the only fall back position that you know.

Rather, it is you who are working yourself up into a feral hatred of the truth of the matter and throwing the "The Jew hating POS" term around to see if it will stick.

You and all the other screamers have become a laughing stock.

[King_David]

26. Yes many

Check out Stormfront --- many many and I needed a shower after.

But that is not Obamas or my party or representatives of the democratic party's values...

They are a marginal radical extremist opinion and I counted 6 of these marginal Extremists posting in this forum.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. I guess that you're back to your singular opinion again.

[on point]

28. Actually you seem to be the racist because you don't understand the difference

Between deploring the horrible racist policies of a state, Israel and the race of the people who are Jewish


News for you Israel has to go

The Jewish people, like any other group say Palestinian deserve all the rights and no more, than that given everyone

[King_David]

30. Welcome to IP forum

I think you will feel at home here...You will find at least 6 people agreeing with your extremist post above.

[Alittleliberal]

33. Glass houses my friend

[King_David]

38. So you agree with that dude :

"News for you Israel has to go " ?

Ok well carry on then...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. No. That's wrong. Israel doesn't have to go. It has to live within its own territory

and not that of somebody else...amongst other things.

[King_David]

40. Why you correcting him ?

That is the prevailing opinion of the BDS supporters, The Peeps that Label the Israel an Apartheid State, The peeps calling The Jewish State a Nazi State, The Academic Boycotters, Roger Waters etc etc etc....

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. Because s/he needs to be corrected, and so do you with your BS response.

[King_David]

47. ''These kinds of attacks are commonly used as veiled antisemitism and should be exposed as such."

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said: "Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to advocate passionately for a cause, but drawing inappropriate parallels with the Holocaust insults the memory of the six million Jews – men, women and children – murdered by the Nazis. These kinds of attacks are commonly used as veiled antisemitism and should be exposed as such."

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/dec/14/pink-floyd-frontman-fury-israel-nazis

[King_David]

48. Some of Roger Waters best friends are Jewish : LOL

"Often I can ignore these attacks, but Rabbi Cooper's accusations are so wild and bigoted they demand a response," Waters wrote, adding that he had "many very close Jewish friends".


http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/dec/14/pink-floyd-frontman-fury-israel-nazis