Israel offers full rights to all

[shira]

In his piece on The Hill's Congress blog, “Israel’s ‘Jim Crow’ treatment of Palestinians continues”, Tibi once again maligns and libels the country which he purports and is paid to serve, not only as a elected official, but also as the Deputy Speaker of Israel’s parliament. Perhaps more than anyone else, Tibi represents all that is wrong with parts of the Israeli Arab leadership. Rather than encourage integration among our community, the community of Arabic-speaking Israeli citizens, Tibi supports segregation, calling for the complete ostracism of any Israeli Arab who volunteers for national civilian service.

No one is going to deny that there are problems in the State of Israel, as there are in any state. However, the state has not created any laws that differentiate between peoples based on religion, nationality or background. What is most noticeable in Tibi’s article is that he fails to provide even one example of what he claims is “discrimination.”

In our whole region consisting of over 350 million Arabs, there are only 1,658,000 Arabs who have complete political and religious freedom and have the right to vote in full democratic elections. It is no coincidence that all of these Arabs live as full and equal citizens in the one Jewish State. From its very beginning, the State of Israel demanded full equality before the law.

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Amar is a Druze citizen of Israel and deputy speaker of the Knesset.

[darkangel218]

1. The Israeli people may want that.

But surely is not showing.

[shira]

2. It may not be showing to you, but it's a fact. n/t

[darkangel218]

3. Yah? how so?

Are Palestinian people as free as the Israelis?

[shira]

5. In Israel they are. n/t

[on point]

4. How extending right of return to Palestinians?

[shira]

6. Huh? There is no RoR guaranteed by law to millions of refugees. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. That would depend on the religion of the refugees it is being offered to.

[Scootaloo]

7. Did Amar miss the link to over 50 discriminatory laws in Tibi's piece?

or is he just hoping people won't go read what Tibi wrote? Ifyou skip it, you get to miss the HRW article he includes towards the end as well. For that matter Tibi is mainly talking about the occupied territories, where over five million people live under Israeli rule, without the slightest say in how that rule is conducted.

Amar offers nothing for his own assertions beyond "trust me, because I'm a Druze!" which, again, reminds me of the Cosby approach to racism.

[Jefferson23]

10. I am guessing he imagines no one will check. n/t

[Jefferson23]

9. This OP states, What is most noticeable in Tibi’s article is that he fails to provide even one

example of what he claims is “discrimination.”

Not one, 50 examples are listed in the OP

There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees.

You can also see Adalah's Brief on Discriminatory Laws and Bills Since 2009, and compiled Pending Discriminatory Bills in the 19th Israeli Knesset.

This database collects text, analyses, and legal action for present and proposed discriminatory laws in Israel and the OPT. Please explore:
Title Theme Enacted
Civil Wrongs Law - Amendment No. 8 (Liability of the State) 1967 Occupied Territories 2012
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 6 Criminal Law and Procedures 2012
Income Tax Ordinance - Amendment No. 191 1967 Occupied Territories 2012
Israeli Prisons Ordinance Amendment No. 43 - Prisoner-Attorney Meet... Criminal Law and Procedures 2012
Israeli Prisons Ordinance - Amendment No. 40 (Meetings with Lawyers) Criminal Law and Procedures 2011
"Anti-Boycott Law" - Prevention of Damage to the State of Israel th... Civil and Political Rights 2011
Foreign Property Ownership - Israel Lands Law (Amendment No. 3) Land and Planning Rights 2011
"Admissions Committees Law" - Cooperative Societies Ordinance - Ame... Land and Planning Rights 2011
Citizenship Law - Amendment No. 10 Citizenship 2011
"Nakba Law" - Amendment No. 40 to the Budgets Foundations Law Civil and Political Rights 2011
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[pelsar]

11. so?...

does that mean israel is not a democracy....is that your criteria?
imperfect laws in an imperfect democracy?

lets see you state it clear, very clear: if by your definition ANY democracy not having 100% fully non discriminatory laws cannot label itself a democracy..and you use this criteria across the globe and it includes all self proclaimed "democracies...."

well lets see it,
and if you need to discuss this with your internet friends and "others" for the proper response, please take you time.

or is this definition of your specific to israel?

[Jefferson23]

12. Your response is, so? You can't figure out the point of my post, why is that?

It should be clear to anyone reading the OP.

The author of the OP lied, the claim was there was not even one example of
discrimination..in fact there are 50. The author is a liar and stupid, as it took
all of a few seconds to check.

There isn't anything else to make clear after that, the discrimination exists, and
is well documented. The discrimination speaks for itself, just read them.

This DU group is I/P, and this OP is about Israel.

It's all stated very clearly..the rest of your post is defensive bullshit.

[pelsar]

13. actually i like the irony..

first off, a cursory look at the "50 laws" are not specific against arab israeli civil rights, you have to interpret them that way. (which is not difficult)
but the guy, who clearly believes in israeli democracy and that the country is worth defending is neither stupid nor a liar, he, like u simply choose to see things differently.

of course i do love the way you and others express "outrage " at israeli discrimination when at that same time promoting the creation of a facist dictatorship based on race, i assume you don't see a problem with that..your just like the druze, but worse since you don't even live in the environment and have to face the consequences of the actions.

and the reason i bring up the rest of the world, of which you have to avoid, is very simple,....are you singling out israel for "special treatment or no? Give the history of anti-semitism, its a reasonable question, a place you never want to go to.

[Jefferson23]

14. A minority sect member is irrelevant, he lied. Ask yourself why he did.

The 50 examples of discrimination are real..they exist, I guess he thought no one
would look.

The rest of your post is incoherent, riddled with hubris.

[pelsar]

15. his life in israel is hardly irrelevant

as a minority he too faces discrimination or doesn't, as per his actual experience of living in Israel. From you post, i'm guessing you don't think very highly of Druze citizens in israel.

Your simply blinded by your ideology, those "laws" as what i i read, are not specific to muslims, to arab israelis.
perhaps you might point me to those that do?...The ones that use the word "Arab" or Palestenian"

[Jefferson23]

16. He lied, that he is of a minority is irrelevant. Too hard for you to comprehend?

Again, the remainder of your post is incoherent contrived bullshit.

[pelsar]

19. you don't like experience....

that i get, and you see things through you own colored glasses.
so these laws: which ones are specific against those of arab descent because they are arabs?
well?

[Jefferson23]

22. pelsar, in my opinion, you took up the wrong OP to defend.

The author was dishonest in his attack on another OP..anyone can read the
two, compare and contrast...it is obvious what he attempted to do.

The examples are not discriminatory to Arabs..that is your claim now? Pathetic.

Good luck, I am done here. But I will suggest you read them, and read the OP
he tried to discredit, in vain. Maybe email him, ask him why he did that.

[pelsar]

23. maybe....

Israels discrimination is not like the jim crow laws, nor s africas apartheid...more like those you find in europe or in the US. For example: less funding for certain geographic areas, that have a high majority of a certain group. Laws that limit civil rights in general, but in fact target a certain group. This you'll find in all societies.

and the writer? apparently he has no problem with the limiting of civil rights...those 50 laws, the ones i read, are all about that.Though in fact i disagree with him.

but he is right about tibi....

[Jefferson23]

17. Do you understand that after you receive a reponse here, to go back and edit

your response is bad form? You 4 so far.

[pelsar]

18. i edit a lot....

if you look at the number of times i edit its because, as you have noticed, i don't always write very clearly (i'm a poor multi tasker and the computers corrections makes it even worse and i read fast, skipping over words..... the result is an incoherent post, so I go back and correct. Most of the time i do it before a response, you were just faster than the normal times

[Jefferson23]

20. Then wait awhile before you respond, it's not as though you're in a race.

A slight edit is no big deal but you are changing a good deal of what you originally stated.

[pelsar]

21. yes i know i do that...

because when i reread it....and then rewrite i realize i made a complete mess of it..an then i make it worse, so eventually i end up rewriting the whole damn thing, so the message gets changed (and you still complain that i'm incomprehensible )