There was a post in GD about Netanyahu declaring that they would use the Talmud

[Aerows]

as the basis for law and for the calendar. I asked for more information, since I have no idea what impact this will have, or even what the Hebrew calendar means.

I had just gotten some useful information, then the thread was shut down.

I'm still trying to understand and get information. I'm not a dimwit, but I am not as informed on the state of Israel as I probably should be.

What should be the take-away here?

[King_David]

1. Got a link to an article ?

Is the Talmudic law going to be international law in all lands and the USA as well?

Is he imposing it on the Obama administration too?

"What should be taken away here "?

Humus,Shwarma,Felaful and Pergiot.

[Aerows]

2. Here is the DU link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024930927

I'm always interested in things that happen on an international scale, and I have no thoughts that it will be imposed on the US because we are the US, not Israel.

It was plain curiosity.

Note, my response wasn't what got the thread shut down, I was asking what it all meant, etc. I didn't realize that inquiries about the politics of a particular statement by a national leader was an automatic assumption that I was up to no good. All I wanted to know was context.

[Mosby]

3. The take away is he's pandering to the religious right

The Hebrew calendar is already an official calendar and the influence of the Talmud in common law is pretty well known, especially in Israel.

[Aerows]

4. Okay

Thank you for the clarification!

[Israeli]

5. I take it you have heard of ....

Sharia Law ?

.....same thing ...different religion .

Here its called Halacha Law .

[Mosby]

8. following Halachic law

means walking to shul, keeping kosher, observing the sabbath etc. It's goal is personal and spiritual growth.

Sharia is much more expansive, it includes politics and civil/criminal law, and is often used and enforced by Islamic states.

The two systems have a superficial similarity at best.

[King_David]

9. Of course she knows this...

She says she comes from Israel .

[Israeli]

10. Not in Kiryat Arba ....

From 2011 Mosby .....

A racist, messianic rabbi is the ruler of Israel

Rabbi of Kiryat Arba municipality, Dov Lior, returned from questioning on charges of incitement after publishing his approval of a book discussing when it is acceptable to kill non-Jews under Halacha, to his well-paid position and teaching at Nir hesder yeshiva.
Without dramatic change in these matters, Israel will make all of its laws illegal.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-racist-messianic-rabbi-is-the-ruler-of-israel-1.370554

And the ruler of the coalition? Upon returning as a victor from President Barack Obama, he went to Mercaz Harav. The featured speakers endorsed each other. And then the prime minister warmly thanked the rabbi who refuses to be investigated or to explain himself, as Lior and his disciples had given Netanyahu the strength to confront the American president. They are the elite commando unit leading the nation and paving the way, Netanyahu said.

Summer vacation begins today. Yesterday, most of the first graders who are defined in Israel as Jews were attending religious and ultra-Orthodox classes. Many of their educators receive a state salary to preach in the spirit of inflammatory and racist "Torat Hamelech." There's a reason why the "moderate" chief rabbis supported Lior.

[Mosby]

11. you use the same logical fallacy over and over

You do something similar with judaism that Bill Maher does with Islam, but worse.

[Israeli]

12. I had to Google Bill Maher ...

never heard of him before now ...

so I guess this conversation is over ?

We will go back to pretending that this :

http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/politics/israeli-sosaciety/8030-netanyahu-talmud-will-be-the-basis-of-israeli-law

"In the law, we will define the Talmud as the basis for the Israeli legal system," Netanyahu told Vider, adding that the law “is a very important one that will affect how Israel looks in the future.”

....is just nonsense ....and that Rabbi Dov Lior is a figment of my imagination .

[King_David]

13. "12. I had to Google Bill Maher ..."

Of course .

Because your from Israel .

[Violet_Crumble]

14. Yes, Israeli is from Israel. There are DUers who aren't Americans...

I'm Australian and didn't know who he was until a day or so ago. That'd be because folks who aren't American don't tend to be familiar with some US media personalities. It's pretty lame to be following Israeli round in this thread making out she's lying about being Israeli...

[King_David]

15. Huh ?

That is what I was doing?

It is pretty lame to be following King_David around everywhere and anywhere.

[Mosby]

16. FWIW Let me try to explain better

When I pointed out some major differences between Sharia and Halacha you brought up Lior as if he represented Judaism. You did the same thing not too long ago when you brought up the name of some terrorist as the reason why you didn't like or respect Judaism. It's no different than someone saying Islam is a violent religion because of al Zawahiri or that Christianity is a racist religion because of Westboro Baptist Church.

Lior and other racist Rabbis don't represent Judaism anymore than al-Zawahiri represents Islam and this kind of anecdotal fallacy is often used by bigots and haters (not saying this applies to you) to vilify an entire group, religion or whatever.

[Israeli]

17. what you said was :

" means walking to shul, keeping kosher, observing the sabbath etc. It's goal is personal and spiritual growth. "

Now that may be what it means to you ....and that I have no problem with .

But .....I dont think that is what Bibi is referring to with :

""... "In the law, we will define the Talmud as the basis for the Israeli legal system," Netanyahu told Vider, adding that the law “is a very important one that will affect how Israel looks in the future.” ... ""

You gave me Bill Maher ...... I give you Yitzchak Laor ...ever heard of him Mosby ?

One of our least well known post zionists :

Stench tag

Now Netanyahu is determined to enact legislation attesting to the ownership by the (entire) Jewish People of the State of Israel. Will the worldwide Jewish People also vote for our Knesset?

By Yitzhak Laor

In all the celebrations of “Israeliness,” in all the public discourse surrounding Independence Day or other holidays, the Arabs, a fifth of the citizenry, don’t exist. In places where there are no Arabs living, the “decent Israeliness” celebrations go on without hindrance. In places where they do live or work, their lives are made difficult with all kinds of discrimination, just because they are still here.

The “price tag” phenomenon did not arise from a collective psychopathology, or as a result of “terrorism” or halakha (Jewish religious law). The state created its habitat, with the help of the military administration. Ninety three percent of the land in Israel is designated just for Jews. Three percent is owned by Arabs. That’s where you shall live! And as if that weren’t enough, now Benjamin Netanyahu wants to further obscure their rights to their homeland, through legislation defining Israel as the “state of the Jewish People”.

The banishment began with the massive land appropriations during the 1950s and 1960s. At the same time, in order to keep up the dispossession and the settling of Jews in place of Arabs, a whole host of laws and regulations were passed. In 1950, there was the Law of Return, the Citizenship Law and the Absentee Property Law. In the next three years came the Entry to Israel Law, World Zionist Organization-Jewish Agency for Israel Status Law, and the Jewish National Fund Law. In 1954, the government signed “conventions” with the WZO and the Jewish Agency, but the real kicker came in 1960 − the Basic Law: Israel Lands, and the Israel Land Administration Law.

For 66 years there hasn’t been any field of life in Israel where the Arabs were not led to be inferior.

At the same time, and for the same purpose, another “convention” was signed between the government and the JNF. The recent minor uproar over the “corruption in the JNF” is somewhat reminiscent of the discussion of the plunder encouraged by David Ben-Gurion in the summer of 1948, at the peak of the acts of expulsion. In both cases, a much greater injustice was covered up in the name of “morality.” The banishment of the Arabs was facilitated by a broad consensus. The most passionate defenses of the discriminatory legislation were written in the halls of academia.

The most learned defense of the amendment to the Citizenship Law (which prevents Palestinian spouses and children of Israeli citizens from obtaining Israeli citizenship) was authored by Amnon Rubinstein. Leftist academics also propounded the twisted idea that the Law of Return is a form of “affirmative action.” All the scholarly discussion ensured one thing: Israel is a democratic country in its territory, and the discrimination against Arabs is by extra-territorial Jewish institutions, by a sort of state-in-the-making that will be a truly “affirmative” state in its (messianic) future.

Justice Minister Zerah Warhaftig (National Religious Party) explained it quite bluntly during the Knesset hearing on the JNF Law in July 1960: “We want to make it clear that the Land of Israel belongs to the People of Israel. The ‘People of Israel’ is a concept that is broader than that of the “people resident in Zion,” because the People of Israel live throughout the world. On the other hand, every law that is passed is for the benefit of all the residents of the state, and all the residents of the state include also people who do not belong to the People of Israel, the worldwide People of Israel ... We are giving legal attire to the regulations of the JNF.”

Now Netanyahu is determined to enact legislation attesting to the ownership by the (entire) Jewish People of the State of Israel. Will the worldwide Jewish People also vote for our Knesset? That remains to be seen. Will the “yordim” (emigrants) from Israel participate in elections, or in a referendum on the occupied territories? It’s quite possible. Arabs who left − no; Jews who never even came − yes. Learned folks can always be found to come up with eloquent justifications.

In a country where Arabs citizens are already in desperate straits from the shortage of land and housing, and have an unemployment rate way out of proportion to their percentage of the population, the “price tag” punks are busy spraying graffiti on their mosques and slashing their tires. That’s not insignificant. But Netanyahu and his people are much worse, because the distance between them and the Hebron settlers who are apparently spurring on the punks is much smaller than it appears to viewers of the television news.

Source : http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.590063

[Israeli]

6. How informed do you want to be ?

here is as good a place as any :

http://972mag.com/extremist-rabbi-dov-lior-has-widespread-israeli-support/18369/

[King_David]

7. Thanks for the link. nt