Hamas: We attempted to hit the nuclear reactor in Dimona

[Kurska]

Three rockets were launched at Dimona in southern Israel on Wednesday afternoon. The Iron Dome intercepted one rocket before it could land, while two other rockets landed in open areas.

Dimona is the location of Israel's nuclear reactor. There was no indication that rockets damaged any part of the reactor.

Related:
Jerusalem Municipality opens bomb shelters across city
Hamas: All Israelis now targets for missile attacks
Hamas claimed responsibility for the rockets, stating that it had been attempting to hit the nuclear reactor.

Militants from Hamas's Qassam Brigades said they had launched long-range M-75 rockets towards Dimona.

Minutes later the Iron Dome intercepted rockets in Ness Tziona , Yavne and Rehovot in central Israel as Gaza terrorists extended the range of their rockets on Operation Protective Edge's second day.

Earlier on Wednesday, two rockets fired from the Gaza Strip were intercepted over the Greater Tel Aviv area.]

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rocket-alert-sirens-sound-in-Zichron-Yaakov-120-km-north-of-Gaza-362087

Can't wait for the some of the hamas apologists here to try and justify this. They try to do damage to a structure that could if it melted down could kills hundreds of thousands of Jews AND Palestinians. Is there really any doubt that Hamas's objective is to kill as many jews as possible, no matter the damage it may do to their own people.

[PDJane]

1. No Apologies.

On the other hand, what would you call what Israel is doing? Shooting much more powerful rockets into the Gaza strip? Israel has the upper hand here, and always has had. The Palestinians are an occupied people.

[Kurska]

2. Hamas just attempted to coat the holy land of 3 religions and home of millions with fallout.

That is pure evil and I'm not going to play stupid "but look over here" games with that.

If Hamas had there way there would be hundreds of thousands of Arabs and Jews dying of radiation sickness tonight.

[PDJane]

5. Oh, bullshit.

If the Israelis had their way, there would be no Palestine or Palestinians. That's what is happening now.

The Palestinians have their back to the wall and are fighting for survival. Their children are dying as it is. What gives anyone the right to judge them so harshly?

[Kurska]

6. Fighting for survival? They just tried to coat their own homes with nuclear fallout.

Will the excuses never cease? Is there literally no genocidal and mad move on the part of hamas that you will actually disagree with? If they had actually hit the reactors and sent a nuclear fallout cloud over Jerusalem and Gaza, would you still be defending this?

[PDJane]

9. You refuse to see the point.

If you are going to die anyway, why not take the enemy with you? The Israelis are killing their children at an amazing rate anyway. It's an open air prison. They have nothing to look forward to. *shrug* Desperate people do desperate things.

[Kurska]

10. Wow, you're actually defending an attempt to kill hundreds of thousands of people.

What you're attempting to excuse would have been one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of mankind. How dare you suggest Hamas has the right to be the executioner of so many innocent people Israeli AND Palestinian (fallout doesn't discriminate).

Shameful, absolutely shameful.

[PDJane]

11. I am NOT defending it. I am trying to make you see, past your filters,

Why they might have done such a thing.

You defend what Israel does, which is a slow genocide, both physical and cultural, but refuse to see why the Palestinians might fight back. A little balance, here, friend. Israel is not an innocent party, and it never has been....not since they decided to take over Palestine in the first place.

[Kurska]

12. This would be funny if it wasn't so sad

"If you are going to die anyway, why not take the enemy with you?"

Your response to Hamas attempting to murder untold thousands through a nuclear catastrophe.

I've been posting on this forum for 6 years and this is the most disgusting thing I have ever read.

[azurnoir]

29. Here's some balance

Israel actually did do the exact same thing to Iraq in 1981 but we're supposed to be so caught up in moral outrage at the nerve we don't think of that

[Fozzledick]

31. Actually Israel destroyed the reactor BEFORE it was fueled to avoid that situation.

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your propaganda agenda.

[azurnoir]

33. Israel did no know that, Iran did not attack the reactor because it believed it to be operational

but nice try

[Fozzledick]

35. Oh, I think Israeli intelligence knew what was happening

and their public statements made it clear that they acted when they did to prevent that possibility.

[shira]

37. Hey, look over there! Nothing to see here today! Nothing to see! n/t

[azurnoir]

40. oh no there's lot's to see but can you answer-why does Israel locate it's reactor among civilians?

what would that be called if Palestinians did it?

[azurnoir]

38. expected reply but still no answer about Dimona being in the middle of a civilian population

why put it there and what would that be called if Palestinians did it?

[Fozzledick]

41. Actually it's in a desert and not a legitimate military target

but once again, don't let the truth get in the way of your propaganda agenda.

[Jefferson23]

42. snip*

Safety concerns about this 40-year-old reactor have been reported. In 2004, as a preventive measure, Israeli authorities distributed potassium iodide anti-radiation tablets to thousands of residents living nearby.[15]


snip*The Negev Nuclear Research Center (Hebrew: קריה למחקר גרעיני – נגב‎ is an Israeli nuclear installation located in the Negev desert, about thirteen kilometers to the south-east of the city of Dimona. The purpose of Dimona is believed to be the manufacture of nuclear weapons.[1] Israel acknowledges the existence of the site, but refuses to disclose any information about its purpose in a policy known as nuclear ambiguity. Information about the facility remains highly classified.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center

[azurnoir]

44. Israel has reportedly distributed potassium iodide to thousands of near by civilian residents

can't be all that far away now can it or if it is then the rest of outrage we're seeing here is hyperbole

[azurnoir]

62. lol are you denying Israel has nuclear weapons? again nice try doesn't wash n/t

[Fozzledick]

65. Where did you pull that nonsense out of?

[azurnoir]

71. The Dimona as a nuclear reactor in a nation that has nuclear weapons is a legitimate military target

that does not mean that Hamas 's alleged attempt was good or even okay though

[Kurska]

73. And here we go finally.

Someone willing to admit they think hamas has the right to coat Israel with nuclear fallout in the name of "resistance".

[azurnoir]

75. no I pointed out that Dimona is a legitimate military target something apparently you agree with

I said nothing about Hamas or the alleged attempt to unsuccessfully blow it up- was that little exchange with Fozzie someones idea of a trap -if so it's an epic fail

[Kurska]

78. "something apparently you agree with" Excuse me?

Are you seriously claiming active nuclear reactors on the scale of Dimona are valid military targets? That is absolutely mental.

Do you really not understand what happens when you fire missiles at nuclear reactors?

[azurnoir]

81. are you saying Israel doesn't have the foresight for defenses against an attack on Dimona

it's not fortified in anyway against this?

[Kurska]

82. Are you seriously saying that Israel taking precautions to prevent tragedy

Means it is okay for Hamas to lob rockets at an active nuclear reactor?

[King_David]

133. Legitimate target ?

In what civilization ?

[azurnoir]

134. In what civilization? Israel's who has threatened to blow up Iran's reactors n/t

[King_David]

135. You right this attempted mass murder suicide was legitimate ?

In what civilized world?

[azurnoir]

136. I already answered you n/t

[King_David]

137. Yes you did

Quite clearly .

[King_David]

58. I don't think you quite get it , do you?

If the crazie fucks in Hamas got there way and managed to get a nuclear explosion as they were aiming for , it makes fuck all difference where the reactor is situated.

It's bye bye Israel , Palestine and neighbors.


And these maniacs are in the next Palestinian government .

[azurnoir]

61. oh no I do get it that's the problem :)

[Kurska]

72. Oh boy condescending smiley faces about attempted mass murder n/t

[azurnoir]

74. is Dimona really so poorly forified that Palestinian rockets could blow it up entirely

and attempted mass murder? didn't you tell me that Dimona is located far from civilians in any event? your really going to have to make up your mind on that one

[Kurska]

76. Let me explain it simply

Israel small
Nuclear explosion big

Given you just stated you think it is a legitimate military target. Apparently you think nuking Israel would be fair thing for the Palestinians to do.

[azurnoir]

79. nothing about Dimonas fortifications and I never said that it was okay for Hamas to blow it up

so you claim Israel does not have the foresight to know that Dimona is within rocket range for Hamas and take precautions against that possibility?

[Kurska]

80. I'm not playing word games with you. You called it a valid military target.

What do you do to military targets?


The idea that "Well Israel protect their reactors wells, so it isn't wrong if Hamas tries to cause them to meltdown" isn't even worthy of addressing.

[azurnoir]

83. I never said it isn't wrong for Hamas to attack Dimona as you falsley claim ETA

in fact I do not approve of any attack against any nuclear reactor anywhere

Kurska
80. I'm not playing word games with you. You called it a valid military target.

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What do you do to military targets?


The idea that "Well Israel protect their reactors wells, so it isn't wrong if Hamas tries to cause them to meltdown" isn't even worthy of addressing.

nifty edit there from the above to this

Kurska (4,143 posts)
82. Are you seriously saying that Israel taking precautions to prevent tragedy

Means it is okay for Hamas to lob rockets at an active nuclear reactor?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=66894

[Kurska]

84. Explain to me what you meant by this then

"The Dimona as a nuclear reactor in a nation that has nuclear weapons is a legitimate military target"

So it is a legitimate military target, but you don't think it is right to attack it.

[azurnoir]

85. Nope it's a point in fact unlike Israel who seems to think attacking Irans reactors is just fine

who threatened the Samson Option who actually did blow up Osirak even though it was not absolutely known whether or not it was operational

[Kurska]

87. What are one earth are you talking about?

"The Dimona as a nuclear reactor in a nation that has nuclear weapons is a legitimate military target"

These are your exact words. You're saying it is a legitimate military target. Now you appear to be saying it isn't.

Again

[azurnoir]

88. you failed to address what I pointed out Israel why? hmmmm

[Kurska]

89. Maybe because that isn't what we are talking about?

And for the record, I think Israel striking Iran's nuclear reactors would be a terrible idea and I'm glad they have been wise enough not to do it.

[azurnoir]

90. Then we're in agreement about Iran and Dimona :)

[Kurska]

91. Except for, well you know

"The Dimona as a nuclear reactor in a nation that has nuclear weapons is a legitimate military target"

But I'm glad you backed off that insanity eventually.

[azurnoir]

92. well we both agree that blowing up nuclear reactors is a bad idea =right?

[Kurska]

93. Apparently n/t

[King_David]

77. So where a nuclear reactor that explodes

Due to maniac suicidal terrorists is located is irrelevant .

These crazies crossed yet another civilized red line .

[azurnoir]

86. and Israels threats against Iran those are okay by you?

[King_David]

94. Again

Topic of thread
Tangent
No bites

[azurnoir]

97. well you're right about one thing -

I'm not biting

[King_David]

99. Ha ha

Good one

[King_David]

101. Hamas did no soul searching

The crazies just admitted they already tried to go for a nuclear blast--- the next government in action .

Can't see that the USA will be too comfy supporting these maniacs in a government now.

That is probably how to spell TOAST

[azurnoir]

34. why does Israel choose to locate its reactor in a civilian population?

what would we call it if Palestinians did that?

[Kurska]

53. It is actually about as far from major population centers as you can get.

They put it in the middle of the desert. Sadly Israel isn't a very large place, so it is still within around 15 kilometers of a small nearby town.

[azurnoir]

57. Dimona's population is over 33,000 and why did Israel give it's residents potassium iodide?

if it's really so far from civilian centers then all the outrage here must be hyperbole, huh? sorry can't have it both ways

as to your Israel's a small place you should look at a map and realize Gaza is even smaller

[Kurska]

60. This is idiotic, here is a population density map of Israel.

See that area in the middle of the south park of Israel? That is the Negev desert.

Israel put their nuclear reactor in the very middle of the least populated part of their country. Sadly there isn't any part of Israel far enough from a major population center where a nuclear catastrophe wouldn't hurt a large number of people.

Israel did it's best to keep civilians away from their reactor. Sadly nuclear fallout has a tendency to travel and as I said there isn't an inch of Israel that would be safe from fallout if a Chernobyl type event happened.


And Hamas just tried their best to cause one.

[cali]

111. It's still fucking insane and there is NO fucking rational explanation of why.

and I am obviously not an Israel defender.

[Purveyor]

64. Sounds a bit like the "Samson option", eh?

[Kurska]

70. Lovely to see you join this thread

Of course, not to actually criticize hamas' attempt at mass murder of Israeli's and Palestinians alike, but to name drop an unconfirmed doomsday strategy of Israel.

Anything to keep from having to face the reality of the kind of people hamas really are, I suppose.

[samsingh]

52. they could work out a peaceful alternative

shooting rockets into Israel is horrible

[PDJane]

128. Not one Israeli has been killed or injured by those rockets this time around.

However, Palestine is suffering casualties of civilians as we speak. If you want to understand the reason that the Palestinians fight back, understand that Israel has taken over land she is not entitled to, built a wall around the water table....yeah, there's a reason that the wall wanders outside the bounds of Israel, and broken international law with impunity.

Israel has become the oppressor.

[samsingh]

130. weren't missiles fired at Israel and three innocent hikers killed?

[PDJane]

132. Nice try.

[azurnoir]

28. Tell us please what was Operation Opera? n/t

[azurnoir]

30. why does Israel locate its nuclear reactor in a populated area surrounded by a civilian population?

why are Israel's military headquarters located in Tel Aviv one of Israel's most densely populated cities?

[Kurska]

50. Are you seriously implying an active nuclear plant is a legitimate military target?

Is that seriously the narrative you're pushing?

[backwoodsbob]

127. why do Hamas fire rockets from schoolgrounds and mosques?

tit for tat

[samsingh]

51. agreed

[840high]

109. +100

[Chemisse]

3. Is there any doubt that the Israeli leaders want to kill as many Palestinians as possible?

In the current skirmish between the two,

"At least 38 civilians, including 10 children, were among the 44 Palestinian dead in two days of fighting, and some 300 people have been wounded, hospital officials said."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/09/us-palestinians-israel-idUSKBN0FC0JP20140709?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

At the same time there have been no fatalities or serious injuries in Israel.

This happens every.single.time.

The Palestinians do a tiny bit of damage and the Israelis come back at them with a deadly iron fist, killing scores to hundreds, many of them children. It just goes on and on. And no matter how barbaric the Israelis behave, our tax dollars continue to support it.

[Kurska]

4. Hamas just tried to nuke Israel.

Meanwhile Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades and despite facing incredible existential threats, has never used them.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Palestinians as possible millions would die. Hamas just tried to kill millions of Israelis.

But keep peddling this false equivalency.

[WatermelonRat]

18. There's been something like five hundred airstrikes.

Even their smaller munitions could easily kill dozens apiece if deliberately aimed at dense groupings of people. How do you reconcile those facts with your proclamation that "Israeli leaders want to kill as many Palestinians as possible"?

[shira]

22. There is no logic involved here in these absurd proclamations.

It's mere projection.

They assume Israel is as hateful and genocidal towards Palestinians as Hamas is towards Jews. They even project their own hate towards Israel onto their political opponents who they assume hate Palestinians as much as they hate the dreaded Zionists.

[samsingh]

54. many doubts - the Israelie soldiers show restraint.

[840high]

110. This is not true. Where

do you get your information?

[Chemisse]

113. The numbers speak for themselves.

Total number of Israelis killed by rocket, mortar or anti-tank fire from Gaza since 2006: 47
(Source: Wikipedia. This is disputed; another source says 26)

Number of Palestinians in Gaza killed by Israeli fire from April 1st 2006 to July 21st 2012: 2,879
(Source: United Nations)

[Larkspur]

7. So is Israel's response to enact it's version of the "Final Solution" upon Palestinians?

That seems to be what the Israeli right wing wants.

[Kurska]

8. Hilarious.

Hamas' irresponsible actions could have killed hundreds of thousands and you're saying Israel wants genocide over killing 50 in a military conflict.

What world do you live in?

[PDJane]

13. Could have, might have, wouldn't have....that's why Israel has defenses.

This is an excuse for the damage that Israel is raining on the West Bank at the moment.

Israel has always killed more Palestinians than the other way around. Always. They have injured more, killed more, and the media has always inflated the toll in Israel by over-reporting Israeli deaths and under-reporting Palestinian deaths.

Israel has nuclear weapons, and they are not part of the NNPT. They have never signed. Perhaps that's a place to start to finish this mess in the middle east.

[Kurska]

14. Israel's job use their defense to prevent nuclear catastrophe.

Hamas's apparent job? Use their rockets to cause one.

Yet you're calling the Israelis the bad guys.

Then again

"If you are going to die anyway, why not take the enemy with you?" as you said up thread.

Maybe that should be changed to

"If you are going to die anyway, why not murder as many innocent women and children with radiation poising as possible?"

[King_David]

17. Used to be a serious offense on IP

Some people were tombstoned for it in the past.

To post a hateful post like the one you just posted comparing Jews to Nazis.

[Larkspur]

46. Didn't compare Jews to Nazis

I asked if the state of Israel and it's right wing supported a "Final Solution" towards the Palestinians in response to the rocket attacks aimed at Israel's nuclear facility.

And BTW one of the nations that inspired Hitler's "Final Solution" was the United States, who used similar genocidal attacks and policies against the indigenous people living on land American settlers and/or corporations wanted. Hitler didn't invent atrocities.

[King_David]

49. You managed to do it again

Again would of been an offense in IP and considered a hateful post.

[Larkspur]

121. Only the Israel-is-always-right mob would agree with you.

[King_David]

122. And the Democratic Party reps and policies

[Larkspur]

123. Unfortunately true. It was a Democratic President that did nothing against Israel after the

USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli fighter planes.

And of course, the Dem Party, save McDermont of WA, were silent in the wake of Rachel Corrie's murder by the IDF.
And of course President Obama is neutered by AIPAC from condemning a recent Israeli attack on an American citizen of Palestinian heritage.

But as soon as the Palestinians throw a rock at heavily armed IDF forces, our Dems are tripping over themselves to pass meaningless resolutions worshiping the state of Israel. Why can't they do the same towards extremist Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian lands?

[King_David]

124. You probably posting on the wrong forum

You could try some extremist right wing forum groups that are also obsessed with the USS liberty and since most Democratic Party reps are very pro Israel and Zionism maybe time to vote for a different party if you feel that strongly about it?

[King_David]

129. Yea a Jewish Sorcerer

[freshwest]

138. Centuries of science swept away by theocrats, coming to your city soon!

Ignorance and a lack of critical thinking is killing the world.

People are played by those who push their fears and prejudices.

They want them to stop looking at facts and quit thinking.

Why not go with the gut or the crowd or the loudest voices?

Because the person being destroyed next will be you.

Good find there.

[King_David]

15. And I've heard some people describe their rockets as little firecrackers.

And plenty other people say Israel should sit back and enjoy them firing rockets onto Jews too.

[Scootaloo]

16. Well, Kurska, there's no defense obviously...

But really, there would be no chance for catastrophe here. One of Hamas' rockets just has nowhere near the power that would be needed to unsettle a reactor, much less cause a serious crisis, because nuclear reactors are built to resist most things shy of asteroid impact, specifically in case of some maniac trying something like this. I can't imagine that Israel, of all nations, makes their reactors any flimsier than US reactors.

This really sort of demonstrates that Hamas' idiocy has been squared, i think. making a completely futile attempt to fuck everyone, oh yeah, good idea guys. On the bright side, if they get any dumber, they'll forget how to breathe, and this whole crisis will be settled in about ten minutes.

[shira]

23. Israel has no right to try to stop Hamas rockets from hitting the Dimona reactors, correct?

Presumably, Hamas could upgrade well beyond Iranian Grads, but if Israel dares to defend, you will protest.

Better that Hamas scores a direct hit & fallout occurs rather than Israel defending against Hamas.

Yes?

[Scootaloo]

24. Read the article; Israel DID stop the rockets

And I'm telling you, a "direct hit" would do jack shit, because of how reactors are built. This isn't a "defense" it's an engineering lesson.

[shira]

26. Iron Dome isn't perfect. So presumably, Israel should allow Hamas to keep aiming….

Last edited Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)

…for Dimona. Allow Hamas time to upgrade to better missiles. Until Hamas scores a direct hit.

If not Dimona, perhaps other sensitive sites. They're fair game since they're not nuclear sites, right?

Note: Iron Dome is not perfect. This was yesterday...


:small

[Scootaloo]

47. Didn't Israel's operation begin early yesterday morning?

Isn't the operation supposed to stop the rockets? Just like all the prior operations against Gaza were supposed to do?

What's your theory on why blowing up Gaza every year and a half doesn't seem to stop rockets, as promised?

[shira]

48. Yeah, so? If Israel does nothing vs. Hamas, more missiles will circumvent Iron Dome

How does that factor into your calculus?

[Scootaloo]

55. I explained to... Dave, I think? The other day. Might have been you.

Frankly you all make the exact same arguments, so it gets a little hard to tell. Anyway.

It's a question of math, Shira. Every rocket fired is one more opportunity for Iron Dome to fail. Maybe it's a one-in-a-thousand chance, but eventually that "one" is going to happen. The more rockets fired, the more chances for that "one" to appear.

Regardless of one's position on the conflict, the plain fact is that whenever Israel fires at Gaza, Hamas, IJ, whoever, responds by increasing their own fire exponentially. That is, Israel's responses result in more rockets being fired - which results in more opportunities for a failure of the defense.

Which results in what you have showed us today - the patio there, the wedding in Ashkelon, etc.

By no means does this absolve the terrorists of their rocket fire. it's not Israel's "fault" that Hamas, et al respond to strikes with even more rockets. I'm just saying that that is what happens, every single time, and that mathematically, this results in increased risk to Israelis.

And Israel's strikes don't seem to do anything to halt the rockets. They don't stop the snipers. They don't even seem to do much about kidnappings. They don't even seem to degrade hamas' abilities or infrastructure to any meanuingful degree, becuase it keeps coming back, doing the same thing over and over again. So... What's the point ?What's gained here?

[shira]

56. So Israelis should just live with the rockets. Quite.the.immoral.stance. n/t

[Scootaloo]

59. Well, they're living with them right now, same as before

No change in that, except that now there's 51 more people whose lives have been cut short.

[shira]

63. International Law, Geneva conventions etc. disagree with you.

Israel has every right to defend its civilians from attacks.

Just as the Allied Powers had every right to confront and defeat the Nazis.

[Scootaloo]

66. Why not address what I actually said instead of what you wish I had said?

Israel is "living with" these rockets, whether it assaults Gaza or not. before the assault, there were rockets. During the assault, there are rockets. After the assault, I think we're both pretty sure there will still be rockets.

So what fucking good is the assault?

[shira]

67. Israel was living with a few rockets here and there, until mid June….

Hamas started firing more and more rockets.

You can't expect Israelis to hide in shelters forever, to wait until Hamas decides to stop firing at them.

[Scootaloo]

68. And this assault has stopped that?

Clearly not.

So again. What good is the assault?

[shira]

100. Doing nothing but allowing Hamas to fire at will while your civilians….

…hide in shelters for (days, weeks, months) is as immoral as it gets.

How long do you propose millions of Israelis stay in shelters?

And since you don't believe Israel should fight Hamas, let me ask whether you agree with most BDS'ers and anti-zionists about Hamas' justified right to resist by firing rockets at civilians. They believe Hamas has a right to do this, do you?

[Israeli]

112. for gods sake stop using logic Scoot ...

waste of time .

Welcome back ... I missed your humor .

Just for you :

[Scootaloo]

125. Gentlemen! You can't logic here, this is the I/P group! N/T

[shira]

19. Hamas has a right to do this. Their actions R justified. Just ask….

…Richard Falk, Larry Derfner, folks at MondoWeiss & ElectronicIntifada, BDS, FreeGaza, the ISM, and the UN.

The poor victimized Islamist Jihadis from Hamas are merely resisting occupation by attempting to irradiate the middle east.

Behold the new world order.

Resistance is futile.

[King_David]

20. Not in the real world.

[shira]

21. I think Hamas just blundered big time aiming for Dimona.

Israel obviously cannot allow Hamas to try that again in the future.

[shira]

25. Jewish Media is all over this. MSM is silent so far with this narrative killer.

I guess they're all trying to find some way to make some moral equivalency between Hamas and Israel before they're forced to report something.

Can't have the world thinking Hamas are genocidal maniacs. The correct narrative, what we all must believe, is that this "resistance" is merely against the occupation and settlements. It's not existential. Hamas and company really want peace and 2 states.

[shira]

27. Think the UN will condemn Hamas for this? Get real. n/t

[Jefferson23]

32. In January 2012,

media reports indicated that the Israel Atomic Energy Commission had decided to, at least temporarily, shut down the reactor. The site's vulnerability to attack from Iran was cited as the main reason for the decision.[17] In October and November 2012, it was reported that Hamas had fired rockets at Dimona and/or Negev Nuclear Research Center, but the facility was not harmed or damaged in any of the attempted strikes.[18][19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center


After 50 years: Images of Reactor in Dimona Released

After years of censorship, photographs of the construction of the reactor, and detailed drawings of the facility are being published. The project, then called the “Negev Public Center”, was built alongside the French and the British in the late 1950’s, early 1960’s, and the architects that built the reactor photographed it.
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/israel-history/after-50-years-images-of-reactor-in-dimona-released-1083

[shira]

36. Marvelous idea for Israel to unilaterally withdraw from the W.Bank & allow Hamas….

….and other genocidal maniacs (who target Israel's nuclear reactors) to eventually take over.

What could possibly go wrong for Israelis who'd literally be across the street from them?

[Jefferson23]

39. I did not expect you to get much from the history. n/t

[shira]

43. It's okay, I didn't expect you to acknowledge….

…how maniacally batshit insane & genocidal Hamas really is.

In order for you to do that, you'd have to acknowledge Israelis have genuine fear turning over territory that Hamas (or worse) would eventually control.

Narrative buster.

Can't have that, can we?

[Jefferson23]

45. Your loss, ignore the history. n/t

[shaayecanaan]

69. On the other hand, a strike on Iran's nuclear reactors is just fine

You're only a genocidal maniac if you threaten to strike nuclear reactors in certain countries, apparently.

Reminds me of Hillary's hard-on for a nuclear strike on Iran. No one bothered to think of the 25 000 Iranian Jews that would perish in such a strike. They only cared about killing Muslims.

[Jefferson23]

95. Thank you for the reminder. I need to hook up shira's opinions on how that would go down

without a problem.

[Jefferson23]

96. Pro assassinations, too. You can't make this stuff up:

And Stuxnet has delayed any bombing of Iran for years. Good thing, right?

That, as well as some assassinations of Iran's nuclear physicists have set Iran back years.

Those who wish to bomb Iran have no case anymore.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=341704&mesg_id=341769

[azurnoir]

98. wow

[King_David]

102. These crazy maniacs admitted they tried and failed

The next Palestinian government in action.

[azurnoir]

115. perhaps you need to read the subthread your replying to

[King_David]

116. No need

There's some people in here defending and deflecting and making excuses for these homocidal crazies who admitted attempting to create a suicidal nuclear meltdown .


And these are the next government .

[azurnoir]

117. The subthread concerned cyberterrorism and assassinations committed against Iran

but do carry on

[King_David]

118. Yes because that's very topical at the moment

But what really happened is some crazy maniacs who don't value any life what so ever just admitted attempting a nuclear explosion.

And they want the world to treat them as civilized members of the next Palestinian government .

[azurnoir]

119. carry on with the off subject proclamations however broadbrushing and inaccurate they may be

they speak volumes in and of themselves

[King_David]

120. Great refute

The thread in itself is very interesting with some excusing of the homicidal maniacs or deflection or encouragement or apologies for these degenerates uncivilized crazies government to be who just admitted attempting to create a nuclear meltdown .

[shira]

103. You guys are too much. You just quoted me stating that Stuxnet was a good thing…..

….that delayed the need to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. But I'm being accused of cheerleading a strike.



And I don't know how you get that I'm pro-assassinations when I mentioned that Stuxnet was a good thing.

[Jefferson23]

104. Your words, shira..they're all there.

If you are against assassinations, that would be commendable.

You could always go on the record, if you like.

[shira]

105. I'll gladly tell you whether I'm against assassinations once you tell me….

….what you think about people like Larry Derfner, Richard Falk, or Richard Silverstein who believe Hamas has a right and is justified to terrorize and target innocent civilians.

If you're against that, it would be commendable.

You could always go on the record, if you like.

[Jefferson23]

106. Your added caveat is amusing. Your own words are already posted all over DU about Iran, no worries.

[shira]

107. Aww. For such a humanitarian and lover of peace, you have such a difficult time….

….answering that one.

Gee, I wonder why.

[Jefferson23]

108. Answering a question with a question is your stock in trade here.

You frame questions in a manner that presumes you are correct on the premise
in the first place...you're not that clever, shira.

Sorry.

[King_David]

114. Kick

[King_David]

131. Kick

[freshwest]

139. VIDEO from the link. Sounds like a nice party. Whose party and where was this made?

I like the music and the singing, and the crowd sounds very pleasant. Is this part of the story in the OP or just a random clip?

TIA.

P. S. Wanting to bomb a nuclear reactor is more than pathologically dumb, it defeats one's case.