Israel’s incremental genocide in the Gaza ghetto

[ellenrr]

Ilan Pappe:
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The Zionist strategy of branding its brutal policies as an ad hoc response to this or that Palestinian action is as old as the Zionist presence in Palestine itself. It was used repeatedly as a justification for implementing the Zionist vision of a future Palestine that has in it very few, if any, native Palestinians.

The means for achieving this goal changed with the years, but the formula has remained the same: whatever the Zionist vision of a Jewish State might be, it can only materialize without any significant number of Palestinians in it. And nowadays the vision is of an Israel stretching over almost the whole of historic Palestine where millions of Palestinians still live.
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http://electronicintifada.net/content/israels-incremental-genocide-gaza-ghetto/13562

[TexasProgresive]

1. This is aparently the goal of those in power in Israel

I have yet to read a reasoned argument refuting this as the purported objective of Israel.

[cali]

5. Here have one:

A case can be made that Israel is making life so miserable for so many Palestinians as a form of pressure that will result in a mass exodus of many. That's incremental ethnic cleansing, not genocide. It's despicable. It's still not genocide. And this poster had a thread locked yesterday for defending Hamas. Her perspective is as warped as those she despises. Dehumanization is wrong. I see a heap of it here. I see it in posts defending Israel. I see it in posts that are supposedly pro-Palestinian in which there is nothing but an attack on Israelis and sometimes alas on Jews. Pappe, in this article uses hyperbole with abandon. He does not make a case for genocide.

[TexasProgresive]

6. Regarless the end is the same

Gaza emptied for the taking.

[cali]

8. First of all, it's not Gaza, I don't believe, that Israel wants. The evidence

is overwhelming that it's West Bank land that Israel wants. And no, horrible as is, the end is not the same- unless you think that dead people are the same as the living. Genocide simply isn't the correct term. Populations do not expand under genocide. This is not rocket science and it doesn't help the Palestinians to use language that isn't applicable.

[TexasProgresive]

9. Personally I would rather take a 500 pound bomb on the nose

rather than starving to death in rags in a D.P. camp riddled with cholera. Where are these people suppose to go. At least in '48 they were able to go to Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

[cali]

11. Palestinians are not starving to death. Where on earth do you get your "information"?

Look, things are bad enough without people carelessly tossing around misinformation. Inform yourself.

[TexasProgresive]

16. If terrorized Palestinians are forced out of their homeland

Where will they roost? I firmly believe that some (not all) Israelis desire the whole of Palestine- that they want the biblical borders of the unified kingdom under Solomon.

[Nevernose]

18. Egypt controls the southern border crossing

Gaza Palestinians are not allowed to cross at will anymore because EGYPT closed the border. They closed the border because Hamas -- a violent, Islamist terrorist organization -- began killing Egyptian soldiers in 2012.

Check the Pew Polls: Palestinians poll well, but Hamas itself has an 83% unfavorable rating in Egypt (a viewpoint I tend to agree with).

[FBaggins]

20. Yes - Current events there are almost entirely about Egypt

Hamas is trying to change Cairo's position... by changing public opinion in Egypt.

That's one reason that they don't want a cease fire... they need as many dead Palestinians on the news as possible. Preferably children in ambulances coming back from weddings.

[Nevernose]

21. Maybe, maybe not

There's also the consideration that there are actually more extreme extremist groups than Hamas, and Hamas only has a handle on a portion of the lunatics.

My theory, which is supported by evidence, is that extremist groups within Hamas kidnapped those Israeli teens in order to sabotage the functional PA government, because members of that family have sabotaged any (Palestinian-participatory) chance at peace for the last fifteen years. This crisis spun out from there.

[Half-Century Man]

2. Historic Palestine is the same land As Historic Israel and Judea

[cali]

4. Jaysus. Pappe is as full of shit as ever. As Shaaye said yesterday

in your now locked thread in which you defended Hamas and its actions, what is happening in Gaza is horrible enough without wrongly labeling it genocide. You don't seem to learn. Just about everyone, from both sides, castigated you for your garbage words.

Oh well, hopefully we won't have to put up with your shit stirring interminably.

[LeftishBrit]

7. It is disgusting behaviour - but 'genocide' it isn't

[Jefferson23]

10. These factually false claims don't help the Palestinians, ellenrr.

Always fight back with accuracy no matter what the circumstances..always be as
accurate as possible.

[cali]

12. Amen, Jefferson.

I could almost think that this poster is doing this shit deliberately.

[Jefferson23]

13. Clearly, she wants to be heard...perhaps just honestly trying to sort it out.

The situation is a tough enough battle for the Palestinians, this type of propaganda only gives weight to
the defenders of the occupation and it is inaccurate, period.

People you hope to persuade to help the Palestinians receive a viable state will just
stop listening to you if you persist with false claims..just the way it is and rightly so.

[cali]

14. All I see is hate and bigotry in her posts- that or

she is doing this for another reason as I suggested. It's the mirror image of what some people here do on the other side. It dehumanizes "the enemy". Bad shit that helps no one. Honestly sort it out? No. She's been told why it's a crap thing to do in detail and kindly and she keeps doing it. That pretty much rules out "honestly" doing anything.

[Jefferson23]

15. As I said, people will tune you out if you keep up false claims, no matter where they come from..

and rightly so.

[WatermelonRat]

17. I did the math.

If the casualties in Gaza continue at the current rate, it would take Israel over two hundred years to kill everyone in Gaza.

[shira]

19. There are 1000 births in Gaza each week. 200 killed the past week...

A genocide could never happen, ever, at that rate.